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IRS Ship Sinking: First Deadline Friday
Townhall.com ^ | July 17, 2014 | Larry Provost

Posted on 07/17/2014 1:08:49 PM PDT by Kaslin

The IRS is running but cannot hide due to citizens; citizens who obtained two important victories this week.

Through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, the watchdog group Judicial Watch has taken the government to federal court seeking answers to the IRS missing emails; emails that are important in determining the extent and guilt of the IRS targeting the political opinions of ordinary Americans.

This past week, the US Federal District Court for the District of Columbia has mandated two important rulings taking effect on Friday July 18, and no later than August 11, forcing the “most transparent administration in history” to put its money where its mouth is.

On Friday July, 18 the IRS must swear, under oath, an affidavit or declaration that:

“1. outlines the expertise and qualifications of the individual or individuals currently conducting the forensic examination as part of the Inspector General’s investigation;

2. outlines the expertise and qualifications of the individual or individuals who previously conducted forensic examinations or otherwise attempted to recover information from the computer hard drive at issue;

3. provides a projected date of completion of the Inspector General’s investigation;

4. states whether the serial number, if any, assigned to the computer hard drive at issue is known; and

5. if the serial number is known, why the computer hard drive cannot be identified and preserved.

What this means is the US District Court for the District of Columbia is not taking the IRS’s line about lost emails and further, is keeping a tight rein on those conducting the internal IRS investigation. The court even wants to know the qualifications of those conducting the internal IRS investigation. This is a big deal.

The second hearing decided in the last week, before U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan, also of the DC District Court, was in regards to Lois Lerner’s supposedly missing emails. Judicial Watch is seeking these emails as part of its FOIA requests and their lawsuit, Judicial Watch vs. IRS. .

IRS lawyer Geoffrey Klimas suggested it would be better to wait on giving the court, Judicial Watch, or the people of our great nation any answers until the IRS completed its own internal and “transparent” investigation. Judge Sullivan was not impressed as can be seen by the following exchange:

“THE COURT: More appropriate for whom, though, for the department or the public? I mean, this is an action filed by an organization that seeks documents under the theory that the public likes to know what its government is doing, so appropriate for whom? How would delaying discovery assist this plaintiff [Judicial Watch] and the public in learning what happened here?

MR. KLIMAS: I would submit that letting the Inspector General conclude his investigation serves the public interest. The Inspector General is –

THE COURT: First of all, we don’t know who this Inspector General is; secondly, we don’t know whether his or her report is going to be public, right, right?

MR. KLIMAS: That’s correct.

THE COURT: So what’s — so let’s just stop there. Whose interest does that benefit, other than the IRS and not the public?”

Judge Sullivan was not persuaded and demanded answers, under oath, from the IRS within 30 days in regards to the missing emails. Sullivan mandated, “For the reasons stated by the Court on the record during the status hearing on July 10, 2014, Defendant IRS is hereby ORDERED to file a sworn Declaration, by an official with the authority to speak under oath for the Agency, by no later than August 11, 2014.”

Judge Sullivan’s ruling involves the Lois Lerner email issue, an issue Judge Sullivan said he would “leave that category (the missing emails) broad.” Judge Sullivan also mandated the upcoming IRS declaration “should also include how the government could recover information contained in the lost emails.”

Finally, Judge Sullivan mandated a Magistrate Judge, John Facciola, to

“manage and assist in discussions between Judicial Watch and the IRS about how to obtain any missing records from sources. Magistrate Facciola is an expert in e-discovery. Judge Sullivan also authorized Judicial Watch to submit a request for limited discovery into the missing IRS records by September 24.”

These rulings will go a long way towards determining whether the IRS emails, ostensibly used in the overall targeting of Conservative organizations, are indeed “lost” as the IRS claims. The IRS must now swear declarations under oath mandated by the American court system and the qualifications of its own internal IRS investigators are being vetted by our judicial system.

The score is ordinary people 2; intrusive government power 0.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: corruption; irs; irsscandal; judgesandcourts

1 posted on 07/17/2014 1:08:49 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

They lied to protect the boss who ordered them to commit a criminal act.


2 posted on 07/17/2014 1:09:46 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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Partisan bureaucracy is never without harmful consequences.


3 posted on 07/17/2014 1:12:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Kaslin

Democrat corruption is acceptable.

Pray America wakes up


4 posted on 07/17/2014 1:16:44 PM PDT by bray (Palin 2016)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe hope springs eternal, but I’m starting to think someone might go to jail on this one.


5 posted on 07/17/2014 1:18:57 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: I want the USA back
As this scandal festers, I keep wondering why not a single person within the IRS has not come out publicly and blown the whistle.

Is there not one honest person in the IRS who is aware of what really happened?

Where is a 'John Dean' when you need him?

6 posted on 07/17/2014 1:21:40 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparisons)
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To: Rockitz

someone might go to jail on this one.

LL and the arrogant twit?


7 posted on 07/17/2014 1:23:19 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Michael.SF.

As this scandal festers, I keep wondering why not a single person within the IRS has not come out publicly and blown the whistle.
Is there not one honest person in the IRS who is aware of what really happened?

Where is a ‘John Dean’ when you need him?


Yep. I’ve consciously wondered the same thing.


8 posted on 07/17/2014 1:25:28 PM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Kaslin

I wonder if the IRS thought the investigation would be thwarted before it went this far. If so, there is room for hope. No waving a magic wand, this will take some time.


9 posted on 07/17/2014 1:25:57 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Kaslin

Abolish the department. Imprison all associated.


10 posted on 07/17/2014 1:28:00 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Rockitz

someone sure needs to


11 posted on 07/17/2014 1:29:33 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

I wonder if the IRS will ask for more time on Friday?? Would the Judge give them more time?? What other legal maneuvering can the IRS use to stall or out-right defy the Judges rulings??


12 posted on 07/17/2014 1:29:58 PM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: Kaslin

If a handful of high-level folks look like they’re going to get some serious time, they’ll likely talk for diminished sentences.

And what will happen to Bro Holder and Ms Valerie?


13 posted on 07/17/2014 1:30:37 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Michael.SF.

Death threats are powerful tools to squash a whistleblower. Think Vince Foster and Ron Brown


14 posted on 07/17/2014 1:31:04 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. NEgypt.C. GOPc.+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Rockitz
Maybe hope springs eternal, but I’m starting to think someone might go to jail on this one.

Nah. They are just gonna string this out until 1/19/2017 and then they'll all get pardons.


15 posted on 07/17/2014 1:32:49 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: bert

I was thinking the same thing. These guys are playing for keeps. This administration is devoid of ethics or morals.


16 posted on 07/17/2014 1:33:31 PM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: Michael.SF.

To answer your question, I’ll just pose other questions to you -

what type of person seeks a job at the IRS?
what type of person gets promoted at the IRS?


17 posted on 07/17/2014 1:34:57 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Michael.SF.
As this scandal festers, I keep wondering why not a single person within the IRS has not come out publicly and blown the whistle.

Bump. There has to be at least one person who is not beholden to theses criminals. One who just will not "take one for the team".

18 posted on 07/17/2014 1:52:33 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Global Warming is caused by illegal immigrants!)
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To: Kaslin

Wonder why the HP expert who tried to recover the drive is not subpoenaed, or why the receipt for HP services is not produced.


19 posted on 07/17/2014 1:54:48 PM PDT by SGCOS
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To: lurk

“And what will happen to Bro Holder and Ms Valerie?”

Nothing, I suspect. The USA system of jurisprudence has slipped a long way since Watergate. Scandals are pinched off within the department involved and never reach the White House. Oh, there will be a lot of things pointing that way. But nothing will be proved.


20 posted on 07/17/2014 2:13:48 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Kaslin

I’m beginning to think that donating to any political cause (Heritage, etc) to save the USA is a waste of money. I think I’ll invest in Judicial Watch from now on! I’m tired of buying “talk” I’m going to buy some”action!” For a change. Hat (again) to Judicial Watch!


21 posted on 07/17/2014 2:16:21 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MrB

Lots of good people go to work for the IRS, it’s a great place for a CPA to get their start. They leave and take that experience to their private practice where they use it to help their clients.

As to who stays and gets promoted, now that’s a completely different question.


22 posted on 07/17/2014 2:37:41 PM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: HOYA97

I wonder if the IRS will ask for more time on Friday??
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They will argue, now that the DOJ claims to be investigating the missing email in their on-going “criminal” investigation into the targeting, that the judges should back off lest they interfere with the criminal probe. Then they will continue to do nothing and wait until after 2016, if not longer. Already their investigation is doing nothing and going nowhere. They haven’t even interviewed the victims of the targeting. It’s all a ruse and now they pretend to have added an investigation into the missing email, imho, only in order to prevent “interference” by the judicial branch of government.


23 posted on 07/17/2014 2:41:12 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
I have a feeling Holder will fall back on the Andrew Jackson precedent: "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

If these rats get cornered, they will just let us know that the chief law enforcement officer has no intention of enforcing the law (as he has done before) and he knows that there will probably never be enough Dem votes for removal in the Senate to get a 2/3rds majority.

24 posted on 07/17/2014 2:50:20 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Kaslin

There are two nations within our borders. There is The United States and there is Democratland.


25 posted on 07/17/2014 3:21:15 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Rockitz
but I’m starting to think someone might go to jail on this one.

That would be great, but the real scandal here is tracing Lerner's actions to the White House; did she act alone.

That's what the emails are all about. There's heavy suspicion that Obama was involved in targeting the groups and the emails show this.

26 posted on 07/17/2014 4:30:28 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

If it were L4B, that would be handled by the verminous media. BUT if it shows Jarrett coordinating which groups to target, THAT would topple the regime.


27 posted on 07/17/2014 4:37:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Judicial Watch has certainly come a LONG way without Larry Clayman at
the helm I used to think they were totally useless!!!!!!


28 posted on 07/17/2014 4:40:29 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Kaslin

So I wonder which low level underling will do jail time....

Someone will go to jail....probably the mail clerk hired two weeks ago....


29 posted on 07/17/2014 4:55:29 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kaslin

Wow! Just wait until Obama reads about this in the paper.


30 posted on 07/17/2014 5:49:05 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Kaslin
"the IRS must swear, under oath, an affidavit or declaration"

I don't get it. How can "The IRS" swear to anything? It's an organization. Don't we need people to swear under oath?

31 posted on 07/17/2014 7:05:33 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: I want the USA back

if the president can pick and choose what laws to not obey like immigration, why can’t we as citizens choose what laws to not obey like not paying the IRS.


32 posted on 07/17/2014 8:21:18 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: jyro
"why can’t we as citizens choose what laws to not obey like not paying the IRS."

Because they'll send masked men to kill you at 3 a.m.

33 posted on 07/17/2014 8:25:18 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: Kaslin

Why not just scrap the IRS and go to a either value added tax system or a flat tax system? Wouldn’t either of these be a lot more efficient?


34 posted on 07/17/2014 8:59:24 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Michael.SF.
I keep wondering why not a single person within the IRS has not come out publicly and blown the whistle.

No one wants to have a sudden garage fire, car explosion, drop dead in the streets, Fort Marcy Park sort of moment, that's why.

35 posted on 07/18/2014 3:39:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kaslin

So, according to the IRS’ way of thinking, I should be able to file my tax return when it is convenient for me, rather than some arbitrary date that some bureaucrat has decided upon.

I’ll try that next year and see what happens.


36 posted on 07/18/2014 3:49:14 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: haroldeveryman

Highly bumpable


37 posted on 07/18/2014 2:07:32 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: Kaslin

Bttt.

5.56mm


38 posted on 07/18/2014 2:17:43 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: morphing libertarian

No need for an IRS! Just think of all the crooked bureaucrats and political harassment and witch hunts and phony government jobs that would be gone. Without all that waste, Washington would be a ghost town. Who could be against that?


39 posted on 07/19/2014 9:08:33 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: haroldeveryman

Let’s roll


40 posted on 07/19/2014 9:19:53 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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