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Canadian on downed Malaysian airliner [Also Australian, British, German, Belgian and others.]
Reuters, Toronto Sun ^ | Thursday, July 17, 2014 | Anton Zverev

Posted on 07/17/2014 7:28:52 PM PDT by familyop

One U.S. official said Washington strongly suspected the missile that downed the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was fired by Ukrainian separatists backed by Moscow...The Netherlands declared a day of national mourning for its 154 dead. Twenty-eight passengers were Malaysian, 27 Australian, 11 Indonesian, six British, four German, four Belgian, three Filipino and one Canadian. All 15 crew were Malaysian. Nationalities of the others aboard were unclear.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Canada; Extended News; Germany; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: airliner; malaysia; malaysianairlines; mh17; netherlands; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 07/17/2014 7:28:52 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

http://news.yahoo.com/rebel-suggests-insurgents-shot-down-malaysia-plane-mistake-174750060.html


2 posted on 07/17/2014 7:33:25 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: familyop

Sorry that I could not list all nationalities in topics. We’re limited to four topics. 154 Dutch people on that flight. Wow!


3 posted on 07/17/2014 7:34:03 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Kurt Wilders by any chance??


4 posted on 07/17/2014 7:41:21 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: familyop

Why are Americans still waiting to hear about our casualties? Is it because our Fundraiser in Chief had a couple of gigs in NYC tonight and it would have been awkward ? I wouldn’t put it past Obama and Jarrett.


5 posted on 07/17/2014 7:52:03 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: familyop

I don’t think anything will happen over it - oh, maybe some political rhetoric but basically - nothing. 0bozo spent what, forty seconds on it before heading to a fundraiser?


6 posted on 07/17/2014 8:04:02 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinfo)
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To: knighthawk; Squawk 8888; lavaroise; Vanders9
Ping.

"The Netherlands declared a day of national mourning for its 154 dead. Twenty-eight passengers were Malaysian, 27 Australian, 11 Indonesian, six British, four German, four Belgian, three Filipino and one Canadian. All 15 crew were Malaysian. Nationalities of the others aboard were unclear."


7 posted on 07/17/2014 8:04:33 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: naturalman1975

Ping.

“27 Australians” known to be on the flight.


8 posted on 07/17/2014 8:10:45 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Condolences to all affected. what a waste.


9 posted on 07/17/2014 8:10:54 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Bulwyf

Ping.


10 posted on 07/17/2014 8:12:02 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

this has to be an act of war. Russia just keeps pushing and pushing.


11 posted on 07/17/2014 8:21:50 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: familyop

World health leaders who had been to an AiD conference on board

Earlier today radio mention a travel/vacation group to Bali that made connections in Amsterdam for this leg of trip. Haven’t seen anything else on this group to confirm or dispel. Wondered if it might be the Americans since it was mentioned about the time the 23 were mentioned


12 posted on 07/17/2014 8:22:43 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: txrefugee
Why are Americans still waiting to hear about our casualties? Is it because our Fundraiser in Chief had a couple of gigs in NYC tonight and it would have been awkward ? I wouldn’t put it past Obama and Jarrett.

Reports of American casualties have stopped for now. That's VJ in control.

13 posted on 07/17/2014 8:23:13 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: familyop; naturalman1975
300 Europeans,Aussies,Malaysians,Canadians and others paying the price for Obama’s secret promise of “flexibility”.And he's too busy to spend more than 50 seconds addressing this despicable war crime.
14 posted on 07/17/2014 8:24:13 PM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: txrefugee

That’s exactly why. The WH is waiting until tomorrow - Obama is supposed to be going to Camp David.

If I were a U.S. family member, I would have called the media today and announced it myself.


15 posted on 07/17/2014 8:35:08 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Bulwyf

Yes, all over the place, including the Arctic, the bomber probes, etc. Every NATO member should lend some support to Canada for Alert and other posts, IMO.


16 posted on 07/17/2014 8:36:05 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: SkyDancer

Not even a strongly worded letter ?


17 posted on 07/17/2014 8:53:39 PM PDT by katykelly
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To: familyop

It seems that up to 100 of these people were heading to Melbourne for an International Aids Conference. I know Vlad doesn’t like gays but that would be ridiculous!


18 posted on 07/17/2014 9:15:31 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: katykelly
If so, most likely in small italic ...."Geeze, what were you thinking? Don't do that again."
19 posted on 07/17/2014 9:22:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinfo)
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To: familyop

Was Lois Lerner on it by any chance? There’s some certain people in DC that would go to great lengths to make sure she stays silent.


20 posted on 07/17/2014 10:08:34 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: familyop

Harper has the balls but not the military capabilities to do much about it.

Hopefully the pressure will mount for Germany to squeeze Russia now. It would not take long to break Russia economically and thus disappear Putin, if there was the will do it.


21 posted on 07/17/2014 10:10:21 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: familyop; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

22 posted on 07/18/2014 12:02:01 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: Bulwyf

I’m not so sure Russia’s behind it- Putin’s too smart to create the blowback that would ensue. The more likely scenario is that one of his proxies went off the reservation.


23 posted on 07/18/2014 12:06:09 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: familyop

This is an “Act of War.”

Putin’s Ukrainian apparatchuks are out of control.

Pooty is now looking over his shoulder, and its time to hit him hard, but Obama will have nothing to do with that....Obamawamma is still bending ovah.


24 posted on 07/18/2014 2:00:23 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Squawk 8888

The more likely scenario is that one of his proxies went off the reservation.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Under international law, Pooty is still responsible for an act of war against Malaysia, whether his proxy or his dog did it.


25 posted on 07/18/2014 2:02:33 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

I agree that he’s responsible, but I doubt he would have authorized it. Still, he should have known better than to arm those idiots so well.


26 posted on 07/18/2014 2:12:22 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: caww

The first part of that is not the 777, notice it has 4 engines. It’s an older video of a transport 747. I don’t know about the rest.


29 posted on 07/18/2014 2:27:10 AM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Monty22002
Are you certain Monty? I'm not that familiar with planes...but the impact explosion looked similar to the other video taken by the miners.
30 posted on 07/18/2014 2:38:43 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I’m positive. I’ve seen that video before and it’s a 747 for sure. The rest of it may be legit, but that crash scene at the start is not from the latest incident.


31 posted on 07/18/2014 2:40:11 AM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Monty22002

Might very well be more of the stuff people are putting together to make it appear as something it’s not ....won’t be the first time we’ve been dubbed to think something is one way when in fact discovered otherwise later on. Governments do that so much and then wonder why they aren’t trusted...same with the media.


32 posted on 07/18/2014 2:53:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sUWC2jfjqI

That’s the proof: Published on Apr 30, 2013


33 posted on 07/18/2014 2:55:55 AM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Monty22002

Thanks so much for clarifying that....good work!


34 posted on 07/18/2014 3:05:00 AM PDT by caww
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To: familyop

This is an act of war...


35 posted on 07/18/2014 3:25:34 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I ai-pprove this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: melsec
"It seems that up to 100 of these people were heading to Melbourne for an International Aids Conference."

Thanks for the interesting info. So to recap the chain of probabilities,...

1. Russia, pining for empire again, tries to expand into Ukraine while issuing propaganda from the Mother Church of Russia (Eastern Orthodox, appeal to religious folks in other nations): the most established controlled religion of the Soviet Union.

2. Advisor-commanders (something like special forces, teachers) are equipped with surface-to-air missiles among other things.

3. A guerrilla unit of one such commander, believing that it saw a Ukrainian aircraft, shot a friendly Malaysian civilian airliner down. There go relations between Malaysia and Russia on that one.

4. ISIS has already been running amock as planned and messing up Russia's designs with Iran and Syria on desired southern ports (including Israel) and further extended influence (also clouded by religious propaganda concerning anti-Israel, anti-western non-Muslim factions in Syria).

Chaos reigns and slows Iran's nuclear weapons buildup. Iran (infantry/engineers) and Russia (special forces) are participating against ISIS.

The Russia-Iran-Syria-NKorea-other axis goes more mad. Little aside here before resuming more down-to-earth, loose analysis.

Gog (a leader of Meshech and Tubal)
The land of Magog (son of Japeth, descendants)
Meshech (son of Japeth, descendants of a tribe)
Tubal (son of Japeth, descendants of a tribe)
Persia (Japeth mainly, some of Ham, descendants)
Cush (son of Ham, descendants)
Put (son of Ham, descendants)
Gomer (descendants)
Togarmah (son of Gomer, son of Japeth, descendants including those in the north)

Many of Iberian descent (probably of Rome/Carthage during the Roman Empire, later, after migrating from an area of Turkey as other tribes did) are descended from some of those figures (southern Europe, spread up through the Balkans, Russia and even some to the U.S.A over time). And not only of Iberian descent but others also. Finding general movements of descendants is a long and difficult task. They’re all over the world.

Most people are descendants to various degrees of most of the figures mentioned above. Is some balance of heritage in each person important maybe? Or philosophies/customs of various nations in the present? Who knows. But most likely, most of the nations of the world will be opposed to Israel. Most of them are and have been so for a long time.

Also meanwhile, we may be heading into an extended solar minimum (low solar activity, temperature fluctuations, mainly toward cold), a possible magnetic polar flip (magnetic polar deviations continuing more quickly, weather patterns moving into unusual areas, possible increases of seismic and mantle activities ahead, economic consequences of trade/regulatory policies), frenzy to keep oil supplies above consumption, rules soon ahead in the States to control masses against runs on resources like wood.

Pushes for vegetarianism, meat prices already rising (drought, demand from global market). There are hundreds of millions of potential new vehicle drivers in developing countries (oil consumption). Nations maneuver for oil supplies in expectations of high intensity conflicts.

Western nations are not manufacturing enough real wealth, and new inventions and modifications are prevented by regulations against common individuals starting small building projects, manufacturing operations, etc. It's a dump-on-your-neighbor regime of exaggerated/pretending sensitivities about appearances and unrealistic desires for real estate prices.

Meanwhile again, fictional productions and unrealistic/immoral preparations for the end of the world as we know it are all the rage in media, while a few scattered, more technically inclined Americans, Europeans and others redesign and build alternative energy personal/family facilities that use less resources. Many governments at various levels have already had alternative energy facilities and hardened, elaborate communications/surveillance facilities installed while stocking up on vehicles.

In sum, even if the earth itself doesn't get very inhospitable (while likely to do so in normal, periodical events), hysterical and/or oddly motivated, immoral people will accomplish some disasters anyway.


36 posted on 07/18/2014 12:11:42 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Yep that pretty much nails it other than the fact that the EU and US have been agitating behind all of this. It seems like they are no longer willing to get involved in wars but they are happy to agitate situations and see what happens - good luck to them in staying out of it!


37 posted on 07/18/2014 8:27:23 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: familyop

The number of Dutch people is at 194. The first of these were flown in yesterday and today. I work near the airport Eindhoven, lost of people gathered to give them a last farewell.


38 posted on 07/25/2014 2:29:16 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

Thank you for the report. I hope that the new Russian expansionism will be stopped. Too many have suffered during the many years.


39 posted on 07/25/2014 2:56:37 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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