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The treacherous task of tunnel demolition [Israel and Hamas]
The Times of Israel ^ | Friday, July 18, 2014 | Mitch Ginsberg

Posted on 07/18/2014 1:35:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler

How exactly does the IDF dismantle Hamas’s offensive tunnels, some 60-feet-deep, over a mile long, with multiple exits.

The tunnel threat, the unknowingness of it, has eclipsed the threat of rockets in Israel’s war with Gaza. This may change in the future, if detection methods improve. For now, though, after narrowly thwarting a mega-attack in the Eshkol region on Thursday, Israel has sent in troops to find, probe, and destroy the underground arteries that stretch beneath the border, all along the border.

Brig. Gen. Miki Edelstein, the Gaza division commander, told reporters near an offensive tunnel discovered in October 2013 that the entrance to that tunnel was likely in the back yard of a civilian’s home in Rafah.

Brig. Gen. (res) Shimi Daniel, a former commander of the combat engineering corps, painted a more complex picture. He said Thursday on Channel 2 news that the entrance shafts of the tunnels are located within civilian homes and that, by the time troops arrive, “they’ve already poured fresh concrete over the opening.”

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; stisraelhamas
It's going to be a long and arduous task, when you see what they have to do.
1 posted on 07/18/2014 1:35:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

They need a big Rodenator.


2 posted on 07/18/2014 1:36:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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Here’s a running account of news reports related to these recent events with Israel and Hamas. If you want to catch up on the news accounts ... they are here ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/stisraelhamas/index

It’s listed from newest to oldest, so go to the bottom to start.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 1:37:43 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Use Zippo Tracks to fill the tunnel then detonate the tunnel.


4 posted on 07/18/2014 1:37:59 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Star Traveler

Weren’t there “earthquake” bombs used during the Vietnam war to collapse large areas of tunnels? Of course, that would probably take out whole neighborhoods in Gaza with the usual condemnation.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 1:38:04 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Star Traveler

Set up a number of huge pumps from the Med.
Like the old joke, put a wall around it and fill it with water.
When it’s thoroughly saturated after a number of months, ‘bounce it’.
The whole region will probably subside.


6 posted on 07/18/2014 1:38:39 PM PDT by jim999
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To: Star Traveler

Blow up the homes


7 posted on 07/18/2014 1:39:27 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Truth29

Daisycutters.
The new versions I believe are called MOABs.
Bigger, badder boom.
Of course to get to the tunnels you have to go through everything above.
oops.
Ender’s Game
What did you think it was about?


8 posted on 07/18/2014 1:42:19 PM PDT by jim999
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To: Star Traveler

—big blowtorch and fan on an entrance or pump in propane and ignite-—


9 posted on 07/18/2014 1:42:42 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

I’ve heard you can use carbide and water. The gas is heavier than air. If the moles are bad in your yard, you can lift the whole thing.


10 posted on 07/18/2014 1:43:58 PM PDT by jim999
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To: Tijeras_Slim

If there’s a reason why this wouldn’t work, I haven’t heard it.


11 posted on 07/18/2014 1:46:56 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Star Traveler

Use a “Verminator”

http://inventiveagproducts.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfX0FqS-4Og


12 posted on 07/18/2014 1:48:25 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

An FAE would be perfect.

Cheap, effective, and environmentally friendly.


13 posted on 07/18/2014 1:48:32 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Truth29

“Weren’t there “earthquake” bombs used during the Vietnam war to collapse large areas of tunnels?”

In WW2 the Brits used Lancaster’s to deliver a single deep penetrating bomb. It shook the earth so much that it collapsed nearby structures like bridges, aquifers and buildings. It was like a localized earthquake. The IDF would essentially have to level every building in Gaza.

They should design really small seeker drones and manipulate them remotely. There is ground penetrating radar that will probably locate them. Rest assured the IDF will use the latest technology. I doubt they’ll go in and search like they did last time.


14 posted on 07/18/2014 1:49:49 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: All
A Zippo Trak.


15 posted on 07/18/2014 1:53:56 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: jim999
Set up a number of huge pumps from the Med.

I like it.

16 posted on 07/18/2014 1:54:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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17 posted on 07/18/2014 2:02:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Star Traveler

Interesting. They mention that it is harder to detect the tunnels than it is to destroy them.

When they do get technical means to detect the tunnels, they should keep it/them secret for surprise in future combat, and prepare a special operation to make every Hamas operative seek to avoid tunnel duty for a generation.

In addition to technical means of detection, an Intelligence task force should get to know the tunnelers, so that they get to know all their “tells” - movements of equipment, supplies, debris, or technical experts - and map them out in detail for attack


18 posted on 07/18/2014 2:09:18 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Gen.Blather

I’m kind of surprised that anyone could build a tunnel under Israel. With ground radar and seismic sensors available I’d think they’d have that covered.

We’ve got seismic sensors that can track an oil drill bit thousands of feet under ground, surely they could track tunnel rats.


19 posted on 07/18/2014 2:10:41 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: MrKatykelly

“I’m kind of surprised that anyone could build a tunnel under Israel.”

I think the tunnels are only under Gaza. Mostly they go out of Gaza to Egypt. But they’ve run all over Gaza so they can hide stuff from Drones.


20 posted on 07/18/2014 2:12:42 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Star Traveler

http://youtu.be/Tfxq3qB05rQ

Gaza tunnel documentary


21 posted on 07/18/2014 2:33:19 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Star Traveler

Just sprinkle bacon bits in the tunnels.


22 posted on 07/18/2014 3:14:44 PM PDT by lacrew
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To: Star Traveler

4d oil technology will give you all the detail you need. Very simple to do and the images are detailed enough to blow them.

Should be ez.


23 posted on 07/18/2014 3:14:48 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Star Traveler

We blew 20,000 lbs of Composition B in 30lb Cratering charges, a little C4 and 6,000 feet of det cord to blow up just two tunnel complexes on the Batangan Peninsula in Vietnam.

Each complex was about 3,000 long. We hauled the cratering charges down by hand into the (usually) 1 meter square tunnels, placing them 5-10 meters apart. They were linked with det cord, then we’d blow about 3,000lbs at a time.

The trick was finding the continuation of the tunnel in the resulting linear crater. :-)


24 posted on 07/18/2014 3:17:31 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: buffaloguy

And Israel doesn’t know that? ... :-) ...


25 posted on 07/18/2014 3:19:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: lacrew

These guys are MINOs ... “Muslim in name only” ... LOL ...

And I’ve half serious about that, because I think these types have more in common with criminal types than they do with religious types. They probably have bacon and eggs for breakfast ... :-) ...


26 posted on 07/18/2014 3:23:03 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Take a giant ditch witch, cut a gigantic hole at the border, fill it with rebar, drill deep holes every three foot, fill with water, rig the holes with water level sensors.
If it gets dewatered, bomb the heck out of water tunnel punctured it.


27 posted on 07/18/2014 3:23:07 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Star Traveler

Vicious dogs maybe?


28 posted on 07/18/2014 3:24:10 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SandRat
You remind me of a story from my uncle (long dead). It was termed "Burning a Rat".

Growing up on a farm, there were always chickens, and chicken coops. Invariable, rats would tunnel into them and steal the eggs. Trapping them never totally got rid of them, so my uncle devised a plan. He trapped one alive, doused it in kerosene, lit it on fire, and let it go into the tunnels, running for it's life and screaming in fear and agony...

The eggs poaching (pardon the pun) ceased...

29 posted on 07/18/2014 3:26:48 PM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: Star Traveler

These tunnels are ratholes for Hamas rats


30 posted on 07/18/2014 3:26:55 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Star Traveler

When found, pump the tunnels full of sewage.


31 posted on 07/18/2014 3:29:03 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Star Traveler

I hope Ariel Sharon is roasting in hell.


32 posted on 07/18/2014 3:32:16 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Star Traveler

booby traps. leave the tunnels intact, but booby trap them with a large number of undetectable anti-personnel mines that are set to go off after a random number of infrared detections. Different bombs set for different counts, so that they go off days, weeks, and months later based on detection counts. And/or wire ‘em up for video so the IMF can play whack-a-mole at the Israeli ends of the tunnels.


33 posted on 07/18/2014 3:51:32 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Star Traveler

We are overrun with wild boars in this country. Let the IDF capture as many as they want so they can let them loose in the tunnels.


34 posted on 07/18/2014 3:56:01 PM PDT by Will we know the moment (e are no longer a republi)
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