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MH17 Crash: Route Used Was Safe, Says Liow
Malaysia Star ^ | Friday July 18, 2014

Posted on 07/18/2014 1:35:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway

The route flown by the downed Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH17 was one approved by the International Civil Aviation Authority (ICAO) and had been used by Malaysia Airlines for years, said Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai. Liow, who spoke at a press conference at the Sama-Sama Hotel here on Friday denied that MAS had used the route to save on fuel costs.

"The route was an approved path that had been used for ten years by MAS and other aircraft, and 15 out of 16 Asia-Pacific countries use that route which has been determined by the ICAO. There was nothing informing us that the route should not be used. For many years, we have taken the same route and many other countries have also used the same route. In fact during that time, many other aircraft were using the same route," said Liow.

Asked if a terrible mistake has been made by allowing MH17 to pass over the Ukraine, Liow reiterated this route was an ICAO approved route and had received no notice not to use the route by the ICAO.

He repeated this when asked if he would take any responsibility for putting the lives of passengers at risk and for the deaths that occurred.

In a press release, Liow said there were no last-minute instructions given to the pilots to change the route of the flight.

He added that Malaysia Airlines had also released a statement on the aircraft's service record, which showed a clean bill of health.

MH17 disappeared from radar screens in eastern Ukraine at around 1415 GMT on Thursday, hours after the Boeing 777, bound for Kuala Lumpur, had taken off from Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport.

It is believed to have been shot down 50km from the Ukraine-Russia border.

All 298 passengers and crew on board, including 43 Malaysians, are believed to have perished.

Pro-Russian separatists are currently holding the area


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mh17

1 posted on 07/18/2014 1:35:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The facts suggest otherwise.


2 posted on 07/18/2014 1:36:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

Apparently, it wasn’t safe.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 1:36:34 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: nickcarraway

Or not.


4 posted on 07/18/2014 1:37:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: nickcarraway

There goes another Russian talking point.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 1:38:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: nickcarraway

The airline acted stupidly.


6 posted on 07/18/2014 1:38:40 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: dfwgator

My thoughts exactly.

What a stupid thing for that man to say.


7 posted on 07/18/2014 1:39:02 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: nickcarraway

Was Safe

- - - - -

I believe events have shown the word “was” to be more true than “safe”.


8 posted on 07/18/2014 1:39:25 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: nickcarraway

These Malaysian officials never seem to learn.
Idiots


9 posted on 07/18/2014 1:41:24 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nickcarraway

Ask the passengers if the route was safe.


10 posted on 07/18/2014 1:42:51 PM PDT by Cry if I Wanna
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To: nickcarraway

“and had been used by Malaysia Airlines for years”

And for how many of those years was a war going on where surface-to-air missiles being used?


11 posted on 07/18/2014 1:43:21 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: nickcarraway

Any route is safe at 33,000 ft unless you have BUK launchers and SAMs on the ground beneath you under the control of Russian thugs named Igor —


12 posted on 07/18/2014 1:43:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: nickcarraway

The solution is for everyone to give their countries to Putin.


13 posted on 07/18/2014 1:44:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (World Cup 2014 Final: Germany 1 Argentina 0)
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To: tcrlaf

and how many other airlines had been taking that route???


14 posted on 07/18/2014 1:44:16 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: nickcarraway

Evidently not.


15 posted on 07/18/2014 1:44:30 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: nuconvert

Kinda makes you wonder if someone...George Soros, or of his ilk...is trying to buy an airline cheap. Two major disasters in just a couple of months ought to bring the price down right smartly.


16 posted on 07/18/2014 1:46:43 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: Uncle Chip

As I tried to explain last night, POLITICS played a huge role in this...

Crimea, where NO fighting was going on was declared “Unsafe”, while Southeastern Ukraine, where aircraft are being shot down daily by surface-to-air missiles was declared “safe”

Why??
IMO, the POLITICAL fallout from declaring SE UK to be unsafe would mean admitting a civil war is actually happening, and not an “anti-terrorist operation”.

There is a HUGE political difference in talking points between the two.


17 posted on 07/18/2014 1:48:15 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Why not, we’re giving ours to central America.


18 posted on 07/18/2014 1:48:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: ryderann

“Kinda makes you wonder if someone...George Soros, or of his ilk...is trying to buy an airline cheap.”

Not Malaysian...
It is a crony-filled, state-supported money-pit, facing stiff competition from discounters all over the region.


19 posted on 07/18/2014 1:49:38 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: nickcarraway
"It was a safe route!"

"Not anymore."


20 posted on 07/18/2014 1:56:22 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: Uncle Chip
What if they had another whacked out Malaysian who wanted to put them back in the news , and blown up on purpose. Still trying to find out what happened to last one. We live in a crazy evil possed world and strange things are happening, cannot trust any governments.
21 posted on 07/18/2014 2:00:30 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Uncle Chip
Any route is safe at 33,000 ft unless you have BUK launchers and SAMs on the ground beneath you under the control of Russian thugs named Igor —

The ICAO apparently didn't update their data when Igor acquired a BUK launcher.

22 posted on 07/18/2014 2:01:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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23 posted on 07/18/2014 2:01:49 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Main stream press fails to report that Putin was in the air at the time of the shoot down full of commercial passengers the two plane’s crossed paths. The intent was to shoot down Putin’s plane. If folks would keep up with current events they would realize the Ukraine bunch would be the only ones to do this deed.


24 posted on 07/18/2014 2:01:49 PM PDT by tiger63
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To: tiger63

LoL!


25 posted on 07/18/2014 2:03:19 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (World Cup 2014 Final: Germany 1 Argentina 0)
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To: FreeReign

They probably thought that Igor would be restrained by the Russians and behave in a civil manner with civil aircraft in the area.


26 posted on 07/18/2014 2:13:55 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: ryderann

Kinda makes you wonder if there are people out there who will never be satisfied with a simple explanation, and will look for a sinister conspiracy behind every event.


27 posted on 07/18/2014 2:15:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: easternsky

If only MH17 was flown by the pilot of MH370 Captain Shah they might have evaded that missile.


28 posted on 07/18/2014 2:17:00 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tiger63
If folks would keep up with current events they would realize the Ukraine bunch would be the only ones to do this deed.

Thanks for chirping in, Igor. Tell Vlad hello!!!

29 posted on 07/18/2014 2:19:28 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tiger63

“If folks would keep up with current events they would realize the Ukraine bunch would be the only ones to do this deed.”

While I don’t agree that the UK’s shot down the plane, if people “kept up with current events” they would know there are now several reports that Kiev used at least one SS-21 Scarab Missile, launched from Kramatorsk, to blow up the LYSICHANSK oil refinery.


30 posted on 07/18/2014 2:21:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tiger63
This sure is one hell of a coincindence! The Ukrainian nazis who were trying to shoot down Putin’s plane accidentally shot down this plane full people who were already dead! What are the odds of that happening?
posted on 07/18/2014 11:42:46 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
31 posted on 07/18/2014 2:21:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: nickcarraway

I saw an article on CBS saying the route took was further north than usual.


32 posted on 07/18/2014 2:23:57 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: 1rudeboy

What absolutely astounds me is the people who piss and moan about the corrupt governments but are the first ones to believe the total bullshit put out by them and their buttlicking lap dogs in the media. This plane could be that Malaysia 777 that went missing in March and just crashed to destroy evidence of crimes. Fifty-five other planes flew that same exact airspace yesterday and just one is shot down? Government is M.O.B. I love to get somebody going, agreeing with me about the criminal element in government, how the whole of government is nothing but lies and corruption and then mention this airliner thing and how it could be the missing plane. Love to see that face turn red and the denial set in then hear the words, “WELL THEY WOULDN’T LIE ABOUT THIS!!!!!” I have to giggle at the obtuse angles they twist and turn trying to justify what they were just condemning. HAHAHAHAHAHA


33 posted on 07/18/2014 2:25:14 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas
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To: Uncle Chip

Best laugh I have had in several days. Thanks


34 posted on 07/18/2014 2:26:12 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Moonman62

Wait, did CBS recently become trustworthy to broadcast news and not Obama lies?


35 posted on 07/18/2014 2:26:38 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas
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To: Cats Pajamas

These aren’t “people.” They are alt accounts of others trying to stir the pot, or “mysterious” newbs who just happen to arrive at the right moment.


36 posted on 07/18/2014 2:28:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Moi?


37 posted on 07/18/2014 2:30:24 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas
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To: Cats Pajamas

No. The Russians are transparent.


38 posted on 07/18/2014 2:31:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: nickcarraway

good article with lots of info is here as well — see:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696975/Putin-blames-Ukraine-loss-Flight-MH17-298-innocent-souls-DOESNT-deny-Russian-separatists-shot-missile-McCain-warns-Hell-pay.html


39 posted on 07/18/2014 2:33:11 PM PDT by KC Burke (Gowdy for Supreme Court)
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To: 1rudeboy

The fact that everyone in the peanut galleries has an opinion or “fact known” about this airliner proves my point. There can be no trust of the words of anyone alive with possible involvement and the witnesses are DEAD.


40 posted on 07/18/2014 2:40:52 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas
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To: tiger63

The only similarity between the two flight paths is that they briefly converged at Warsaw, Poland while going East on the same day. Far away from Ukraine.

Use your common sense. Just how likely is Putin going to fly his private jet right over a country with which he has been antagonizing? Even RT (which began the propaganda you’re unwittingly regurgitating) admitted Putin hasn’t flown over Ukraine for some time.

I’m sure the Ukrainians were just waiting to shoot down Putin’s jet the next time it flew over Kiev. Not.


41 posted on 07/18/2014 2:42:04 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Cats Pajamas

I thought that the cell phone videos with those drunken Cossacks gloating over the kill were dispositive.


42 posted on 07/18/2014 2:42:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Right. Seeing is believing and we know that governments could not possibly collude and cover up don’t we?


43 posted on 07/18/2014 2:54:33 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas
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To: Cats Pajamas

Never mind. I’ll include you in my #36.


44 posted on 07/18/2014 2:56:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

LOL. Now I understand your name.


45 posted on 07/18/2014 2:57:36 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas
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To: nickcarraway




A cross appears through the smoke over the devastation in this photo- eerily reminiscent of the 9/11 cross

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(telephone pole, actually- but still eerie)

46 posted on 07/18/2014 4:53:21 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: nickcarraway
MH17 Crash: Route Used Was Safe, Says Liow

Let's review the issue for a minute.

Liow says the route was safe.
The plane was shot down.

Flying over a war zone.

All aboard died.

Seems they make morons as clueless, arrogant and ignorant in Malaysia as our very own Liar-in-chief!

Think they can also get away with it?

47 posted on 07/18/2014 7:01:05 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Uncle Chip
and how many other airlines had been taking that route???

Evidently a lot more than Malaysia!
Have you seen the Ukraine air traffic map at the time of the shootdown?

Daily Mail News Map, Air Traffic

48 posted on 07/18/2014 7:09:51 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

Look at how close that plane is to the Russian border when shot down.

How do you mistake a plane as military and threatening that has flown 80% of the way across your territory at a fixed 33,000 feet on a fixed path that will be out of your territory in a matter of minutes.


49 posted on 07/18/2014 8:06:54 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
How do you mistake a plane as military and threatening that has flown 80% of the way across your territory at a fixed 33,000 feet on a fixed path that will be out of your territory in a matter of minutes.

Exactly the same way that the USS Vincennes shot down the Iranian airliner in 1988. You are profoundly ignorant of how flight control communications works. All the controllers scattered over thousands of square miles of airspace are not tracking every flight. What you describe is an impossible oversimplification, which is reason enough to wince.
In retrospect, everything you say makes sense. In real life, at any given moment in any heavily trafficked area, not so simple.

The complicating factor seems to be that whoever fired the missiles was even more ignorant of the different frequencies possible to attempt to communicate with a specific aircraft in the area, (a reasonable expectation before shooting down a suspect aircraft) whether the transponder data was even checked (military or civilian?) before making the decision to fire.

I won't even attempt to understand the complexity of the additional time and multiple steps necessary to prepare the missile system to fire, while, presumably, the suspect plane is verified as hostile and threatening. Every aircraft within a hundred miles? I don't think so.

50 posted on 07/18/2014 11:21:26 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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