Skip to comments.MH17 Crash: Route Used Was Safe, Says Liow
Posted on 07/18/2014 1:35:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
The route flown by the downed Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH17 was one approved by the International Civil Aviation Authority (ICAO) and had been used by Malaysia Airlines for years, said Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai. Liow, who spoke at a press conference at the Sama-Sama Hotel here on Friday denied that MAS had used the route to save on fuel costs.
"The route was an approved path that had been used for ten years by MAS and other aircraft, and 15 out of 16 Asia-Pacific countries use that route which has been determined by the ICAO. There was nothing informing us that the route should not be used. For many years, we have taken the same route and many other countries have also used the same route. In fact during that time, many other aircraft were using the same route," said Liow.
Asked if a terrible mistake has been made by allowing MH17 to pass over the Ukraine, Liow reiterated this route was an ICAO approved route and had received no notice not to use the route by the ICAO.
He repeated this when asked if he would take any responsibility for putting the lives of passengers at risk and for the deaths that occurred.
In a press release, Liow said there were no last-minute instructions given to the pilots to change the route of the flight.
He added that Malaysia Airlines had also released a statement on the aircraft's service record, which showed a clean bill of health.
MH17 disappeared from radar screens in eastern Ukraine at around 1415 GMT on Thursday, hours after the Boeing 777, bound for Kuala Lumpur, had taken off from Amsterdams Schiphol airport.
It is believed to have been shot down 50km from the Ukraine-Russia border.
All 298 passengers and crew on board, including 43 Malaysians, are believed to have perished.
Pro-Russian separatists are currently holding the area
The facts suggest otherwise.
Apparently, it wasn’t safe.
There goes another Russian talking point.
The airline acted stupidly.
My thoughts exactly.
What a stupid thing for that man to say.
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I believe events have shown the word “was” to be more true than “safe”.
These Malaysian officials never seem to learn.
Ask the passengers if the route was safe.
“and had been used by Malaysia Airlines for years”
And for how many of those years was a war going on where surface-to-air missiles being used?
Any route is safe at 33,000 ft unless you have BUK launchers and SAMs on the ground beneath you under the control of Russian thugs named Igor —
The solution is for everyone to give their countries to Putin.
and how many other airlines had been taking that route???
Kinda makes you wonder if someone...George Soros, or of his ilk...is trying to buy an airline cheap. Two major disasters in just a couple of months ought to bring the price down right smartly.
As I tried to explain last night, POLITICS played a huge role in this...
Crimea, where NO fighting was going on was declared “Unsafe”, while Southeastern Ukraine, where aircraft are being shot down daily by surface-to-air missiles was declared “safe”
IMO, the POLITICAL fallout from declaring SE UK to be unsafe would mean admitting a civil war is actually happening, and not an “anti-terrorist operation”.
There is a HUGE political difference in talking points between the two.
Why not, we’re giving ours to central America.
“Kinda makes you wonder if someone...George Soros, or of his ilk...is trying to buy an airline cheap.”
It is a crony-filled, state-supported money-pit, facing stiff competition from discounters all over the region.
The ICAO apparently didn't update their data when Igor acquired a BUK launcher.
Main stream press fails to report that Putin was in the air at the time of the shoot down full of commercial passengers the two plane’s crossed paths. The intent was to shoot down Putin’s plane. If folks would keep up with current events they would realize the Ukraine bunch would be the only ones to do this deed.
They probably thought that Igor would be restrained by the Russians and behave in a civil manner with civil aircraft in the area.
Kinda makes you wonder if there are people out there who will never be satisfied with a simple explanation, and will look for a sinister conspiracy behind every event.
If only MH17 was flown by the pilot of MH370 Captain Shah they might have evaded that missile.
Thanks for chirping in, Igor. Tell Vlad hello!!!
“If folks would keep up with current events they would realize the Ukraine bunch would be the only ones to do this deed.”
While I don’t agree that the UK’s shot down the plane, if people “kept up with current events” they would know there are now several reports that Kiev used at least one SS-21 Scarab Missile, launched from Kramatorsk, to blow up the LYSICHANSK oil refinery.
I saw an article on CBS saying the route took was further north than usual.
What absolutely astounds me is the people who piss and moan about the corrupt governments but are the first ones to believe the total bullshit put out by them and their buttlicking lap dogs in the media. This plane could be that Malaysia 777 that went missing in March and just crashed to destroy evidence of crimes. Fifty-five other planes flew that same exact airspace yesterday and just one is shot down? Government is M.O.B. I love to get somebody going, agreeing with me about the criminal element in government, how the whole of government is nothing but lies and corruption and then mention this airliner thing and how it could be the missing plane. Love to see that face turn red and the denial set in then hear the words, WELL THEY WOULDNT LIE ABOUT THIS!!!!! I have to giggle at the obtuse angles they twist and turn trying to justify what they were just condemning. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Best laugh I have had in several days. Thanks
Wait, did CBS recently become trustworthy to broadcast news and not Obama lies?
These aren’t “people.” They are alt accounts of others trying to stir the pot, or “mysterious” newbs who just happen to arrive at the right moment.
No. The Russians are transparent.
good article with lots of info is here as well — see:
The fact that everyone in the peanut galleries has an opinion or “fact known” about this airliner proves my point. There can be no trust of the words of anyone alive with possible involvement and the witnesses are DEAD.
The only similarity between the two flight paths is that they briefly converged at Warsaw, Poland while going East on the same day. Far away from Ukraine.
Use your common sense. Just how likely is Putin going to fly his private jet right over a country with which he has been antagonizing? Even RT (which began the propaganda you’re unwittingly regurgitating) admitted Putin hasn’t flown over Ukraine for some time.
I’m sure the Ukrainians were just waiting to shoot down Putin’s jet the next time it flew over Kiev. Not.
I thought that the cell phone videos with those drunken Cossacks gloating over the kill were dispositive.
Right. Seeing is believing and we know that governments could not possibly collude and cover up don’t we?
Never mind. I’ll include you in my #36.
LOL. Now I understand your name.
Let's review the issue for a minute.
Liow says the route was safe.
The plane was shot down.
Flying over a war zone.
All aboard died.
Seems they make morons as clueless, arrogant and ignorant in Malaysia as our very own Liar-in-chief!
Think they can also get away with it?
Evidently a lot more than Malaysia!
Have you seen the Ukraine air traffic map at the time of the shootdown?
Look at how close that plane is to the Russian border when shot down.
How do you mistake a plane as military and threatening that has flown 80% of the way across your territory at a fixed 33,000 feet on a fixed path that will be out of your territory in a matter of minutes.
Exactly the same way that the USS Vincennes shot down the Iranian airliner in 1988. You are profoundly ignorant of how flight control communications works. All the controllers scattered over thousands of square miles of airspace are not tracking every flight. What you describe is an impossible oversimplification, which is reason enough to wince.
In retrospect, everything you say makes sense. In real life, at any given moment in any heavily trafficked area, not so simple.
The complicating factor seems to be that whoever fired the missiles was even more ignorant of the different frequencies possible to attempt to communicate with a specific aircraft in the area, (a reasonable expectation before shooting down a suspect aircraft) whether the transponder data was even checked (military or civilian?) before making the decision to fire.
I won't even attempt to understand the complexity of the additional time and multiple steps necessary to prepare the missile system to fire, while, presumably, the suspect plane is verified as hostile and threatening. Every aircraft within a hundred miles? I don't think so.
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