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How to fix California? Make six of them, says billionaire Tim Draper
The Guardian ^ | July 18 2014 | Andrew Gumbel

Posted on 07/18/2014 2:03:19 PM PDT by PoloSec

Tim Draper loves California so much he’d like to see six of them.

The Silicon Valley venture capitalist, best known for backing such companies as Hotmail and Skype in the early days of the internet boom, believes government in his home state is so broken down that the only way to fix it is to break it up – like taking an axe to a creaking corporation with too many unprofitable divisions and too much bureaucracy choking its potential.

And so he dreams of Silicon Valley, his home turf, getting the chance to run itself; Los Angeles becoming its own smog-choked fiefdom that can create whatever tax incentives it wants to stop film and television production leaving town; San Diego and the long desert border dealing with the immigration crisis by itself; and the sparsely populated areas in the east and north of the state getting some autonomy – not to mention the right to send two senators each to Washington.

It’s the sort of idea one might hear floated over a dinner table or in a spirited debate in a bar. Since Draper is a billionaire, though, he has paid professional signature-gatherers to muster popular support for his dream of splitting California into six and seems likely to get his proposal on the ballot in 2016. He claims to have gathered a staggering 1.3 million signatures – more than 7% of California’s vote-eligible population – of which he formally delivered just a small initial consignment earlier this week.

The reaction, at least so far, has run from bemused to outraged. Nobody – except perhaps Draper himself – thinks the measure stands the slightest chance of passing. (California voters are a lot more indulgent about putting measures on the ballot than they are about approving them.) But that hasn’t stopped

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: sixcalifornias; timdraper
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1 posted on 07/18/2014 2:03:19 PM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec

As a resident of the state, I would actually support this.

However considering how things go out here, if I support it, that means it will be voted down.

Just saying.


2 posted on 07/18/2014 2:04:40 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: PoloSec

This could be a political boon for Democrats.

Why? Because instead of 2 senators from California, there would be 12 senators from what is now California.

Currently both senators are Democrat. But in adding new states, adding 10 more senators, it’s likely that 6 or 7 of these new senators would be Democrats.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 2:06:01 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: PoloSec
Start with two, Dork. NorCal and SoCal.

Traditionally, some areas of SoCal like Orange Country and San Diego, have traditionally been more Christian influenced and right leaning.

4 posted on 07/18/2014 2:06:51 PM PDT by PapaNew (Freedom always wins the debate in the forum of ideas)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Funny, I have exactly the same problem. Almost a perfect negative correlation between what I vote for and what gets passed.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 2:07:20 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“This could be a political boon for Democrats.

Why? Because instead of 2 senators from California, there would be 12 senators from what is now California.

Currently both senators are Democrat. But in adding new states, adding 10 more senators, it’s likely that 6 or 7 of these new senators would be Democrats.”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Indeed. However, I would be open to an idea like this IF there was a one-for-one tradeoff via consolidating some of the Eastern states. I would like to see MA-VT-NH-CT-RI be made one state. I would also like to see DE and MD combine.

That gets rid of 5 states and allows for 5 new ones.

I could live with that.


6 posted on 07/18/2014 2:11:26 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: PoloSec

SF, LA, & San Diego will be “Detroit” broke.


7 posted on 07/18/2014 2:12:37 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: PoloSec

The other states will never consent to creating 10 new senators without some sort of Missouri compromise offset. Break up Texas?


8 posted on 07/18/2014 2:14:32 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: PoloSec

so the Liberal wackos in Silicon Valley and San Fran and LA flood us with immigrants and then want to leave San Diego to deal with the immigrant problem alone? Fine, we’ll be happy to bus them to The Presidio. Get ready.


9 posted on 07/18/2014 2:15:20 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: PoloSec

Splitting liberal states is actually a good way to nullify the urban areas and their undue influence.


10 posted on 07/18/2014 2:16:52 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: PoloSec

This idea has been floated for decades and nothing ever comes of it (not the “6” thing, but definitely splitting that state up).


11 posted on 07/18/2014 2:17:05 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: PoloSec

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/07/15/six_states_calif_wide-8ee7a97d3924c6eeb59883def55ce22a64b37854-s40-c85.png


12 posted on 07/18/2014 2:20:35 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: PoloSec

earth quake...... the big’un


13 posted on 07/18/2014 2:21:27 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. NEgypt.C. GOPc.+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: PoloSec

That’s all we need—10 more senators from the left coast. No thanks!


14 posted on 07/18/2014 2:21:48 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: PoloSec

And the moocher class would cross the new borders to mooch from the producers.

Just like now.


15 posted on 07/18/2014 2:24:33 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: PoloSec

The Trouble with Tribbles...


16 posted on 07/18/2014 2:25:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

What a great idea this is!

It would give us five more Barbara Boxers and five more Dianne Feinsteins in the U.S. Senate, and we desperately need that. /S


17 posted on 07/18/2014 2:26:05 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war,and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Jim Noble

“Break up Texas?”

Texas would secede before they’d split.


18 posted on 07/18/2014 2:32:13 PM PDT by Shugee
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Which then means three to four would be Republican and California's 55 EV's would now be 44-11 (0r so).

I will take that over the alternative.

19 posted on 07/18/2014 2:37:02 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparisons)
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To: PoloSec

One is bad enough but six of them?????


20 posted on 07/18/2014 2:40:04 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinfo)
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To: Eccl 10:2

“I would like to see MA-VT-NH-CT-RI be made one state.”
go screw.


21 posted on 07/18/2014 2:41:23 PM PDT by sopwith (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: Michael.SF.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/petition-submitted-split-california-states-article-1.1869251

Seems to be making progress.


22 posted on 07/18/2014 2:45:06 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: PoloSec; Admin Moderator

This has already been posted multiple times.

Here: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3180777/posts

here: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3180512/posts

and

here: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181173/posts

-just to name a few.


23 posted on 07/18/2014 2:51:13 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: sopwith

There are ranches bigger than RI or DE. Why they are still individual states is beyond me.


24 posted on 07/18/2014 2:56:45 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“This could be a political boon for Democrats”

That is the way I see it and therefore will not vote for it.


25 posted on 07/18/2014 2:57:05 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: DJ Taylor

See post #6


26 posted on 07/18/2014 2:58:00 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Jim Noble

“The other states will never consent to creating 10 new senators without some sort of Missouri compromise offset. Break up Texas?”

Which senators are from DC?

Leave California’s Senators be. What you do is give each district in each California state a vote. Most votes win the positions.


27 posted on 07/18/2014 2:59:04 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: Jim Noble

That would likely be the case... Since Dems would lose the current huge Electoral Vote advantage, they might push for a Popular Vote amendment or require the ‘Californitas’ to give the EV’s to the national PV winner.


28 posted on 07/18/2014 2:59:17 PM PDT by mikrofon (Weekend BUMP)
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To: PoloSec

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3180777/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3180512/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3171395/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3170817/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3167537/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3161105/posts


29 posted on 07/18/2014 3:09:04 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Why? Because instead of 2 senators from California, there would be 12 senators from what is now California..

Exactly! (shuddering)


30 posted on 07/18/2014 3:10:18 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: jjotto

https://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=6+californias&ncl=dPnlCjwYvNS9PdMSRR7UNAYpeBHPM&cf=all&scoring=n

:D


31 posted on 07/18/2014 3:10:50 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: PoloSec

12 Senators. What could possibly go wrong?


32 posted on 07/18/2014 3:21:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: GraceG

True... if you look at CT.. the urban area is blue...most of the state is red....The town I lived in before I moved was blue...but the towns east was a swing town as is the north town and the south town was red.


33 posted on 07/18/2014 3:52:24 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I ai-pprove this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Shugee

Just wondering — could Texas be “split up” for the purposes of more Senators, yet kept together for state government purposes (e.g. The Commonwealth of Texas)? Would that satisfy anyone?


34 posted on 07/18/2014 4:52:03 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The whole problem is: the northern, rural parts of California don’t get represented in The Senate. I suspect
these areas would vote Republican.


35 posted on 07/18/2014 8:20:32 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: PoloSec

We are 5th generation So. Californians and draper can take his 6 states and shove them up his backide!

Congress would never allow it anyway, it would give California 8 more Senators.


36 posted on 07/18/2014 8:31:32 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: PoloSec; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; randita; ...

Interesting post from Dave Leip. POTUS results for the 6 Calis.

http://uselectionatlas.org/WEBLOGS/dave/2014/07/16/2012-presidential-election-six-californias/

They are not divided exactly how I would like them. Mendicino, Humbolt and Lake absolutely should not be in “Jefferson”, the spoil it and make it competitive, they belong with the Bay Area.

3 of these states are competitive and 3 heavily rat, that’s no good at all.Interesting post from Dave Leip. POTUS results for the 6 Calis.

http://uselectionatlas.org/WEBLOGS/dave/2014/07/16/2012-presidential-election-six-californias/

They are not divided exactly how I would like them. Mendicino, Humbolt and Lake absolutely should not be in


37 posted on 07/19/2014 11:30:12 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: Impy; PoloSec; fieldmarshaldj; campaignPete R-CT; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; randita

As I’ve posted before, I think that California should be split into 5 states, not 6 (the “state names” provided are descriptive, but hardly optimal):

1. State of Los Angeles, with all of L.A. County:

10.0 million pop in 2010, 45%-50% Hispanic, 10% black, 12%-15% Asian

16 electoral votes, 29.17% McCain 2008, 35.60% Bush 2004, 32.35% Bush 2000

(I would encourage GOP-leaning L.A. County suburbs to split and form their own county and be able to join the Inland Empire centered state.)

2. State of San Francisco Bay, with all of Alameda, Contra Costa, Humboldt, Marin, Mendocino, Monterey, Napa, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, Solano, Sonoma and Yolo Counties:

8.1 million pop in 2010, 21%-25% Hispanic, 7% black, 17%-20% Asian

13 electoral votes, 24.82% McCain in 2008, 29.95% Bush in 2004, 30.64% Bush in 2000

3. State of Inland Empire, with all of Kern, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara and Ventura Counties:

6.7 million pop in 2010, 36%-40% Hispanic, 6% black, 4%-5% Asian

11 electoral votes, 46.79% McCain in 2008, 55.54% Bush in 2004, 50.70% Bush in 2000

4. State of Central Valley, with all of Alpine, Amador, Butte, Calaveras, Colusa, Del Norte, El Dorado, Fresno, Glenn, Inyo, Kings, Lake, Lassen, Madera, Mariposa, Merced, Modoc, Mono, Nevada, Placer, Plumas, Sacramento, San Benito, San Joaquin, Shasta, Sierra, Siskiyou, Stanislaus, Sutter, Tehama, Trinity, Tulare, Tuolumne and Yuba Counties:

6.5 million pop in 2010, 27%-32% Hispanic, 5% black, 7%-8% Asian

11 electoral votes, 48.27% McCain in 2008, 56.92% Bush in 2004, 53.17% Bush in 2000

5. State of San Diego, with all of Imperial, Orange and San Diego Counties:

6.3 million pop in 2010, 30%-35% Hispanic, 4% black, 11%-13% Asian

11 electoral votes, 47.07% McCain in 2008, 55.86% Bush in 2004, 52.57% Bush in 2000

Essentially, comfortably Democrat California would be converted into two ridiculously Democrat states (based in L.A. and San Francisco Bay) and three GOP-leaning states, and under normal circumstances the 5 states would give the GOP a 6-4 edge in U.S. Senate seats (the Dems have had a 2-0 edge since 1992) and a 33-29 edge in electoral votes (the Dems got all 55 EVs from CA in 2008 and 2004 and all 54 EVs from CA in 2000, 1996 and 1992).

We should also split Texas up into four GOP states of around 11 electoral votes each, which would give us 6 new GOP Senators (and increase GOP electoral votes by 6 as well).


38 posted on 07/20/2014 7:59:44 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Cringing Negativism Network

I could think of some colorful names.

It really perturbs me that people are actually discussing and pushing for this now, and their plan of division sucks.


39 posted on 07/20/2014 9:31:13 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: upcountryhorseman

WE DO.


40 posted on 07/20/2014 9:49:55 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: PoloSec

Agree. And get rid of Jerry Brown.


41 posted on 07/20/2014 9:52:22 PM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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