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Staten Island DA looking into death of dad of six after NYPD cop put him in chokehold (Update)
NY Daily News ^ | 07/18/2014 | BY LAURA DIMON , ROCCO PARASCANDOLA , LARRY MCSHANE

Posted on 07/18/2014 4:12:56 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

--SNIP-- This comes as two NYPD officers were yanked off the street Friday as cops and the Staten Island district attorneys investigated the stunning death of a suspect placed in a banned chokehold. The officers were slated for desk duty pending completion of the probe into Thursday’s death of Eric Garner, 43, as he was brought down by five NYPD officers outside a Tompkinsville beauty parlor.

“Loss of life is always a tragedy,” said Police Commissioner Bill Bratton at a City Hall news conference. “Nobody began the day with the expectation it would end the way it did.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


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Full title is "Two cops pulled off streets, Staten Island DA looking into death of dad of six after NYPD cop put him in chokehold during sidewalk takedown — EXCLUSIVE VIDEO"

*** This story was posted earlier. This is an udpate. The video is still on line.. ****
1 posted on 07/18/2014 4:12:56 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen
Cops choke man to death as he gasps he can't breath
2 posted on 07/18/2014 4:14:29 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: null and void
JBT ping.
3 posted on 07/18/2014 4:18:08 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Too many people are learning MMA and think taking the easy way out has no consequences.

That choke hold can/did have dire outcomes.


4 posted on 07/18/2014 4:19:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Banned chokehold...
Hmmmm.
In before the badge worshippers.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 4:19:39 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare
In before the badge worshippers.

Can't wait to see how they'll excuse this.

6 posted on 07/18/2014 4:20:51 PM PDT by wastedyears (Everything Obama does wrong is Bush's fault.)
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To: Darksheare

I thought that I recalled that it was banned, but I wasn’t sure.


7 posted on 07/18/2014 4:21:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Cops with tats shouldn’t be among us.

A sure sign on mental disorder.

Go drive a forklift instead. (though there’s nothing wrong with that) (It just means you’re not qualified to determine who lives and dies) (Dooshes!)


8 posted on 07/18/2014 4:21:28 PM PDT by x1stcav (Leftism is like rust. It corrodes twenty-four hous a day.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Looking into it? That Cop was Judge and Executioner, there's no looking needed.
The man was executed on the street.

May just as well have been this way

9 posted on 07/18/2014 4:22:42 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: wastedyears

If the thread about the cop beating the tar out of that lady is any indication..


10 posted on 07/18/2014 4:23:26 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Bumpurs


11 posted on 07/18/2014 4:23:54 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: wastedyears

The usual. He did it to himself. You need to bow and lick the boots of your masters or you deserve what you get.


12 posted on 07/18/2014 4:25:19 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Kid Shelleen

It’s a real pity that DiBlasio had to postpone his trip to Italy/sarcasm off


13 posted on 07/18/2014 4:27:01 PM PDT by GWB00 (Barbara Streisand barely made it out of high school.)
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To: MaxMax
Re: 9

I think that Viet Cong had it coming to him.
Pretending to be a civilian, and then attacking and killing people while you and your gang of commie thugs are trying to overthrow the Nation. Sure, he earned his bullet.

14 posted on 07/18/2014 4:35:21 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: trisham

If hazy memory serves, it was a similar choking death that caused it to be banned to begin with.


15 posted on 07/18/2014 4:35:30 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Yes, that’s what I recall as well, with my befuddled memory.


16 posted on 07/18/2014 4:36:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MaxMax

Not even close.
A different world. Not a place you would ever want to be.
I was in country for Tet of 68 and two more.

Nguyen Ngoc Loan,Tet offensive of 68

Mr. Loan insisted that his action was justified because the prisoner had been the captain of a terrorist squad that had killed the family of one of his deputy commanders.


17 posted on 07/18/2014 4:37:35 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: trisham

Wasn’t too long ago either.


18 posted on 07/18/2014 4:38:32 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: DManA

Q: How many cops does it take to throw a handcuffed prisoner down the steps behind the lockup?

A: None. They always jump. (Headfirst.)


19 posted on 07/18/2014 4:39:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MaxMax

IIRC the picture’s site takes place Da Nang during the Tet Offensive; the shootee is NVN and the shooter has found out that the NVN terrorists (not necessarily the dead shootee) have executed his wife and family plus about 5,000 loyal south vietnamese.


20 posted on 07/18/2014 4:40:57 PM PDT by BilLies ( it isn't the color of the skin, but culture that is embraced that degrades.)
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To: Darksheare

No, I don’t think it was that long ago.


21 posted on 07/18/2014 4:42:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Within past twelve years.
That isn’t too long ago.


22 posted on 07/18/2014 4:44:28 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: wastedyears

I’m a cop and I don’t excuse it. The cops in question exceeded their departments use of force policy. Start “coloring outside the lines” and you get indicted. That’s what the use of force policy is there for, to tell you what is and is not acceptable. Personally, I’ve never liked the “cowboys” in my agency, they tend to suck others into their stupidity when they get into trouble. Fortunately my agency seems to have a good grip on this sort of thing. Please don’t assume all of us are JBT’s because we pin on a badge before we go to work.

CC


23 posted on 07/18/2014 4:44:42 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Not even close.
Agree.
Does FreeRepublic have subscribers in the nation’s lockups.


24 posted on 07/18/2014 4:45:30 PM PDT by BilLies ( it isn't the color of the skin, but culture that is embraced that degrades.)
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To: MaxMax

Did you know the guy with the gun in that photo was the police chief in Saigon?

CC


25 posted on 07/18/2014 4:47:24 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Darksheare

No. Not at all. There’s no way that the cops involved weren’t aware of it.


26 posted on 07/18/2014 4:47:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Isn’t NYC run by Democrats?


27 posted on 07/18/2014 4:49:11 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Vendome

Can anyone say whitewash with no charges filed against the thugs.


28 posted on 07/18/2014 4:51:06 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: trisham

Wonder how they justified it to themselves.


29 posted on 07/18/2014 4:52:09 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

I’m beginning to wonder how many of today’s cops are sociopaths.


30 posted on 07/18/2014 4:53:40 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BilLies; DUMBGRUNT; El Cid
The pic was referring to the execution in the street, not the story behind the photo.
I do understand the facts behind it. The officer in this threads case knew his actions
could kill and he followed though. This is no different than bad cops shooting grandmothers
and dogs, they want the thrill of the kill. A right of passage for psychopaths.
31 posted on 07/18/2014 4:55:53 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: trisham

More than enough, especially in the NYPD, chp, state troopers..etc.


32 posted on 07/18/2014 4:56:36 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: trisham
I’m beginning to wonder how many of today’s cops are sociopaths.

I've been wondering about the politicians too.

33 posted on 07/18/2014 4:56:41 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama's governing as president of a Latin American republic, where only the president matters-MSteyn)
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To: chiefqc

Whut?

Wascist!

Unbelievable. ...

/s


34 posted on 07/18/2014 4:57:27 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Celtic Conservative
Please don’t assume all of us are JBT’s because we pin on a badge before we go to work.

I don't think anybody assumes all police are JBTs, but like peaceful moslems, they just don't matter.

They will neither support the victims, nor fight against the perpetrators.

35 posted on 07/18/2014 4:58:36 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: trisham
I’m beginning to wonder how many of today’s cops are sociopaths.

The 'professionalization' of LEOs means that they are selected and trained by social science university graduates. A society that lacks a traditional view of right and wrong simply can't end up with LEOs as a group that are more moral than the sinking average.

36 posted on 07/18/2014 4:58:41 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Kid Shelleen

Well,his family’s just won the lottery.


37 posted on 07/18/2014 5:01:46 PM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: trisham
I’m beginning to wonder how many of today’s cops are sociopaths.

What? Are you kidding?

They are TRAINED to be sociopaths!

38 posted on 07/18/2014 5:02:14 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Darksheare

It certainly seems so. I am beginning to wonder how they’re screening these people.


39 posted on 07/18/2014 5:02:42 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Gritty

Good point.


40 posted on 07/18/2014 5:03:01 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: AppyPappy
Isn’t NYC run by Democrats?

As of January it's been run by a Maoist.

41 posted on 07/18/2014 5:03:46 PM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Didn’t notice, but did they shoot his 12 week old puppy before or after they choked him to death?


42 posted on 07/18/2014 5:03:56 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Could Warren Buffet's oil trains be considered mobile Jihadist weapons of mass distruction?)
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To: papertyger

I’m not sure that’s possible, but it sure seems that way at times.


43 posted on 07/18/2014 5:04:08 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MaxMax

At least the Saigon cop had good reason. the person he is shooting was a VC who had just murdered a family near there. The cop was godfather to that family.


44 posted on 07/18/2014 5:05:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Da Nang, it wasn’t Saigon.


45 posted on 07/18/2014 5:08:14 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: trisham

maybe not sociopaths but bullies.


46 posted on 07/18/2014 5:09:49 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: trisham

Two years back NYPD held a recruiting drive at a homosexual bdsm festival.


47 posted on 07/18/2014 5:12:29 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Celtic Conservative

.............I think I am gonna come down on your side on this one!


48 posted on 07/18/2014 5:13:47 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: killermosquito

Yes, certainly that.


49 posted on 07/18/2014 5:14:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MaxMax
Re: 31

I agree with you about this case, and your comments about the murderer.
Although you know the background behind the picture (9), others might not -- so I copied an excerpt below.

Pulled from: davidrobertcrews.blogspot.com

There is also film footage of this famous execution. There is a documentary film about the still photographer who took this photo, and there is also a documentary about the TV news cameraman who filmed this infamous scene. I saw each of those documentaries on PBS TV about ten years ago.

In the year 2000, I had a photography instructor, Pat Perry, who had been an MP in Vietnam. At the exact moment when this world famous photo was taken, Pat was about ¼ mile away from the scene, and he was very busily fighting for his life. This was during the Tet Offensive, on February 1, 1968, when the communist Vietnamese were attacking many targets all over South Vietnam from all directions, and those fighters had just about overrun the country.

It may very well be that the South Vietnamese Army officer, General Nguyen Ngoc Loan, who is seen in the photo shooting a Viet Cong Guerrilla through his skull was justified in doing so. The general had just been given the terrible news that some VC attackers had just cut the throats of three children whom he cared very much about. The person being shot through his head had just been captured right near where the children had been murdered.

The general’s men tell him the kids were murdered; he is standing there stunned and trying to process the emotionally devastating info; several other of his men walk up to him with a prisoner in tow and say exactly where they captured the VC; the officer immediately realizes these facts:

1. The VC could very well have been one of the ones who had cut the children’s throats.
2. If that very VC did not have his hands on the kids as they were murdered, he was still part of the humongous group of Communist attackers who were there to kill as many, many South Vietnamese and Americans as they could. That VC had definitely provided some kinda’ military support to aid the throat slitters in their brutal task.
3. General Nguyen’s whole g**** fuckin’ country was being overrun by his enemies at that point in time.
4. The general had no friggin’ way of knowing how long he had to live; he was being effectively attacked from all sides; his prospective remaining time on earth musta’ seemed to be awfully short to him; so there was no way that he could have figured that there would be any future opportunity to give the VC a fair trial.
5. And the general and his men had enough to deal with from that VC’s vicious comrades—it was no time to be screwing around with a prisoner.

The three children’s parents had been murdered at the same time the kids had been. And the way that them VC usually did things was to tie their captives up, cut the children’s throats as the bound and gagged, horrified, parents helplessly were forced to watch, then the parents were killed.

The children’s father had been a deputy police chief under General Nguyen’s command, and the two men were very close friends. The father was in some capacity a long-time, armed fighter and enemy of the VC. The general told the photographer who took the photo that he understood that the kid’s father was an enemy in a war against the VC, that war is war and he would have let the VC live if it was just the father killed, but killin’ the kids was too much for him to bear. I can understand his point of view as best a non-victim of similar circumstances can.

My memories of the documentaries are that one of the photographers said in the film about himself that the slain father was the general’s best friend and that the children were his Godchildren. Pat said that the kids were the general’s niece and nephews. It does not matter who had the exact facts right, the officer loved those children and their family dearly.

The scene is always described as, “General Nguyen pulled out his revolver and calmly executed the prisoner with a single shot to the right temple.”

I do not believe that the general was “calm”.

I believe that General Nguyen was numb from emotional shock, and that his insides felt like they were beginning to stew inside of him. But he was a trained soldier, a lifelong warrior, a veteran of many years of fighting hard for what he believed in, and he was an Asian gentleman—men who are taught from their youths to maintain control over their emotions and not loose their grip on themselves in a bad situation. General Nguyen was not calm at all during that frozen flash in time when the photo was taken; he was simply doing his best to keep from loosing his grip. He was beginning to broil with justifiable anger beyond what most people can relate to. He was in control of his emotions enough not to break down and loose control of what he needed to do to defeat his attacking enemies.

General Nguyen shot that shit through the head, and then the general moved on to lead his men in helping to win the horrific battle that massive numbers of fiercely fighting American GIs were also engaged in. Any “calm” feelings that the general was experiencing, during the infamous moment when he drew his pistol and dispatched that murdering VC to go greet his ancestors, were necessary for the general’s survival.

General Nguyen Ngoc Loan once owned a restaurant in Virginia, unfortunately, he was driven out of business by harassing Americans who had their priorities screwed up. He passed away on July 14, 1998. I wanted to go meet him when he was alive, to shake his hand and tell him that I believe he did the right thing at the time.

50 posted on 07/18/2014 5:25:44 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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