Skip to comments.Schumer: You Donít Have to Convert But You Might Not Be Able to Do Business Either
Posted on 07/18/2014 6:24:14 PM PDT by Kaslin
Should people with strong religious convictions prepare to violate their beliefs or steer clear of corporate activity in the United States?
Should Hobby Lobby, owned by evangelical Christians who opposed having to pay for coverage of abortion-inducing drugs, have shut down its 575 outlets across the U.S. rather than challenging the federal governments contraception mandate in court?
Absurd as it sounds, Senator Chuck Schumer seems to be proposing just that. Schumer was one of the backers of a bill, mercifully blocked in the Senate for now, that would have overridden the Supreme Courts protection of Hobby Lobbys religious freedom.
Some commentators have summed up what Schumer said after the Hobby Lobby ruling this way: your faith or your company. Unfortunately, that synopsis of what the senator said is neither flip nor off base.
"We wouldnt tell the owners of Hobby Lobby to convert to a different religion or disobey their religion," the New York Democrat said. "But we dont say that they have to open up a company. And go sell toys, or hobby kits. For good measure, Schumer added, We dont have any [Hobby Lobby outlets] in New York, so I dont know exactly what they sell.
So is this religious liberty in the United States circa 2014, as seen by one of the most prominent members of the political class: you don't have to convert (hey, thanks!) but nor should you count on being able to conduct your businesses in accordance with your consciences? Like the English Catholics who were precluded from going to universities or engaging in certain activities, including serving in Parliament, evangelicals and other devout religious citizens in the U.S. should, as Schumer sees it, not be able to undertake certain economic activities unless they do so with the knowledge that they may have to sell out or compromise on the matter of their religious liberty if the government comes up with some new regulation.
Schumer is a denizen of the secular Northeast where evangelical Christians are in some spots as exotic as crepe paper and other hobby supplies, but one would hope that even sophisticated Manhattanites would recognize that this puts our country on a troubling path, in which the government has the right to make it difficult for the devout to fully participate in our society while observing their religious views.
Lets suppose for the sake of argument that Hobby Lobby, unable to get a hearing before the Supreme Court, simply had stopped selling toys and hobby kits rather than doing something that its owners, the Green family, believe to be profoundly morally culpable. Stranger things have happened.
If Hobby Lobby had followed the Schumer Diktat and shut down its $3 billion dollar enterprise, 23,000 Hobby Lobby employees would have lost their jobs. Being unemployed, especially in this economy, is arguably a more dire situation than being without free access to one of the four contraception drugs that the Greens objected to providing (they have no problem with the other sixteen on the FDA-approved list for insurance coverage).
Let loose into the current economy, many of Hobby Lobby's employees might have a hard time replacing their lost jobs. That's because, in part on account of the Green familys religious convictions, a gig at Hobby Lobby pays better than many of the jobs the Obama administration brags about adding whenever there is the slightest uptick in a jobs report. In 2013, Hobby Lobby raised its lowest wage to $14 for full-time employees and $9.50 for part-time employees. Around 16,000 Hobby Lobby employees are full-time.
Unlike all too many other businesses, Hobby Lobby is growing. It expects to add new locationsand with these new locations new jobsthis year. No one is compelled to work for the company of course, but many workers are not only attracted to these higher-than-typical wages, but also with the comparatively generous benefit package Hobby Lobby offers. Though they lack the full complement of contraceptive coverage, full-time Hobby Lobby employees are eligible to enroll in a generous benefit plan that includes medical, dental, prescription drugs, plus with long-term disability and life insurance.
Hobby Lobby offers a 401(k) plan with a generous match from the company. The headquarters boasts an on-site health clinic open to all full-time employees and family members who are covered under the companys health insurance plan.
It wouldnt just be those out-of-work former Hobby Lobby employees affected by the closing of the company. The companys suppliers would also feel an impact. Since Hobby Lobby stocks around 65,000 items, we can assume quite a few of the companys vendors would suffer, too.
Schumer, of course, is probably bluffinghe figures that people like the Greens will come to their senses and buckle before doing anything as drastic as going out of business for the sake of their consciences. He shouldnt be so sure. Some business people would see the wisdom of bending to regulations they originally opposed; but others would not. Religious conviction has a way of confounding the secular.
Religious liberty is a bedrock of American tradition, and there is simply no need to close the doors of the economy to religious employers. Rather than cavalierly suggesting that corporations such as Hobby Lobby have no place in the United States, Schumer could better serve his constituents by trying to lure a Hobby Lobby into New York. Im told the city could use some new businesses.
Mark of the Beast
Yup. Now is the time.
I hate Nazis. I’ve always hated Nazis.
Yes sir ... plain or filter ?
Flip top box or soft back ?
Regular or menthol ?
wrist or forehead. ?
I'll make sure I hide my faith and morals in my attic when I see them come to load you into a boxcar.
Sounds like 666
If Schumer wishes to live in a godless totalitarian state, he should move to Russia. Oh, wait. That crap didn’t work there either and they’re giving it up.
You’ve got a lot to like with a Marlboro. Filter, flavor, pack or box.
Why Chuckie, you would look SO dashing with that Swastika armband on your suit, wouldn’t you?
Chuckie you ignorant slut
Can a man be a slut that right he is Congressman
Why would anyone vote for much lrss listen to Chuckie Schumer?
Especially those Illinois Nazis. But New York Nazis are right up there, too!
Consider his constituents.
There are at least a dozen Hobby Lobby stores in New York State.
Schumer would have made a good Nazi, but since the Nazis are largely out of business, he’s become a good Commie.
Seigy Heil Herr Schumer-Putin!
So, Chucky Schmuck claims the 1st amendment no longer applies in the US.
He needs to be tossed out of Congress. He represents nothing American.
Such irony, we have people hyperventilating over Putin while we have a communist deconstructing our own country right under our noses. He may look and act inept, but he is acieiving his goals with little blowback. I think that fact has even surprised Obama. As Valerie says, “easy peasy”.
People like Schumer should scare the hell out of freedom loving people.
When freedom is gone and tyrants are controlling your whole life, it really matters not which tyrants are running the place. A tyrant is a tyrant.
obamacare has only hit a small % of the population. When it starts to be forced on businesses how many Christians will refuse to sign up?
Hobby Lobby sure does walk the talk. They put their money where their mouth was and won.
These SOB’s don’t even hide it anymore.
It hasn’t since at least the 1960s. We have no Freedom of Association anymore. It ended then. Leftists will now extend it’s ban to gays etc.
That's the really scary part.
It's like Obama's lies -- we know that he's lying -- and he knows that we know it -- and he doesn't care. He laughs.
Hold on to your hats. It's going to get ugly.
The genius of the communist north is boundless.
I think a good rebuttal to Schumer should be just two words:
That is, what he is proposing is in effect a “religion tax”, so if the constitution can be violated that way, shouldn’t it work both ways?
He should be expelled from the Senate for this.
The irony is, I bet at some time some of Mr. Schumer’s ancestors way back in the old country were told, “You don’t have to convert, but if you don’t convert you will be a second-class citizen.”
The fascist speaks.
What a putz.
I hate to say I agree with Schummer. When The Beast is at the wheel filling the tank is not what one should do...
No, Fate is not so nice to you when you are not kissing Putin’s feet. Alexander Litvinenko is a good example of this. I would be willing to bet if more than half of our politicians were in Russia, they would be pro-Putin pretty fast, for their own benefit.
They ought to have a contest between IL and NY Nazis to determine who is the worst. But then the MA, NJ, and VT Nazis would demand to be included in the contest.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended freedom of association, but Hubert Humphrey thought it maintained freedom of association.
Who cares about persecution? Think of the social justice!
“Why would anyone listen to Chuckie Schumer?”
Why would anyone vote for him?
People, who don’t know what’s going on, should not vote.
NY State should be able to dump NYC, and let all the loonies stay in the NYC side of the state.
My apologies to my in-laws, and others, in NYC who are conservatives.
‘Schumer added, We dont have any [Hobby Lobby outlets] in New York, so I dont know exactly what they sell.’
Schumer is wrong. There are two Hobby Lobbys within an hour from where I live - one in Latham, NY, and one in Queensbury, NY. There might be more in NY State that I’m not aware of.
This must be a New York liberal leadership infection. The Governor wants the Christians, conservatives, gun rights supporters, well, American citizens, to know they are not welcome in New York, and their senior senator wants the same types to know that if he had his way, they would not be welcome in America.
obvious 1st Amendment violation
He is the mouthpiece of the secular jihad on America.
“...at some time some of Mr. Schumers ancestors way back in the old country...”
Back in the “Old Days”, Chuckie would have been a prototypical Judenrat. His current shtik is some new & improved (/S) version not tailored to one faith. It’s “one size fits all”.
Hard to believe we have elections in about three months and the biggest issue is the latest issue that takes us out into the weeds. Meanwhile Chuck Schumer makes a chilling remark like this and you end up with a thread with no more than about 50 posts. They are all off arguing over whether we should fight Putin. Never mind our military is being decimated, the troops and vets abused, invaded by dependent illegals, cops acting like stormtroopers, citizens being snooped on, IRS totally out of control, the Constitution dumped in the trash bin.
And Americans are distracted by something that we are unequipped in every way to deal with. Anyone who wants a war with Obama at the helm is not facing reality. We need to take care of our own house first. The usual response by the Ukraine war mongers is that “we can walk and chew gum at the same time”. Well, so can the Obama regime. While those people are walking and chewing and waiting for the big O to do something, he is ordering, demanding and plotting the next freedom stripping order behind our backs.
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There are at least a dozen Hobby Lobby stores in New York State.
You probably don't know this, then... to anyone in New York City, the entire state of New York is merely NYC, plus some insignificant suburbs. They are incredibly elitist, and do not care one whit about "upstate"... which is mostly farm country, some really nice mountains, and a few apparently insignificant cities like Buffalo, Albany (the state capitol), Syracuse, Rochester, etc. To the Elite, "New York" only means the area between Staten Island, the Bronx, and Queens... if that much.