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Schumer: You Donít Have to Convert But You Might Not Be Able to Do Business Either
Townhall.com ^ | July 18, 2014 | Charlotte Hays

Posted on 07/18/2014 6:24:14 PM PDT by Kaslin

Should people with strong religious convictions prepare to violate their beliefs or steer clear of corporate activity in the United States?

Should Hobby Lobby, owned by evangelical Christians who opposed having to pay for coverage of abortion-inducing drugs, have shut down its 575 outlets across the U.S. rather than challenging the federal government’s contraception mandate in court?

Absurd as it sounds, Senator Chuck Schumer seems to be proposing just that. Schumer was one of the backers of a bill, mercifully blocked in the Senate for now, that would have overridden the Supreme Court’s protection of Hobby Lobby’s religious freedom.

Some commentators have summed up what Schumer said after the Hobby Lobby ruling this way: your faith or your company. Unfortunately, that synopsis of what the senator said is neither flip nor off base.

"We wouldn’t tell the owners of Hobby Lobby to convert to a different religion or disobey their religion," the New York Democrat said. "But we don’t say that they have to open up a company. And go sell toys, or hobby kits.” For good measure, Schumer added, “We don’t have any [Hobby Lobby outlets] in New York, so I don’t know exactly what they sell.”

So is this religious liberty in the United States circa 2014, as seen by one of the most prominent members of the political class: you don't have to convert (hey, thanks!) but nor should you count on being able to conduct your businesses in accordance with your consciences? Like the English Catholics who were precluded from going to universities or engaging in certain activities, including serving in Parliament, evangelicals and other devout religious citizens in the U.S. should, as Schumer sees it, not be able to undertake certain economic activities unless they do so with the knowledge that they may have to sell out or compromise on the matter of their religious liberty if the government comes up with some new regulation.

Schumer is a denizen of the secular Northeast where evangelical Christians are in some spots as exotic as crepe paper and other hobby supplies, but one would hope that even sophisticated Manhattanites would recognize that this puts our country on a troubling path, in which the government has the right to make it difficult for the devout to fully participate in our society while observing their religious views.

Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Hobby Lobby, unable to get a hearing before the Supreme Court, simply had stopped selling toys and hobby kits rather than doing something that its owners, the Green family, believe to be profoundly morally culpable. Stranger things have happened.

If Hobby Lobby had followed the Schumer Diktat and shut down it’s $3 billion dollar enterprise, 23,000 Hobby Lobby employees would have lost their jobs. Being unemployed, especially in this economy, is arguably a more dire situation than being without free access to one of the four contraception drugs that the Greens objected to providing (they have no problem with the other sixteen on the FDA-approved list for insurance coverage).

Let loose into the current economy, many of Hobby Lobby's employees might have a hard time replacing their lost jobs. That's because, in part on account of the Green family’s religious convictions, a gig at Hobby Lobby pays better than many of the jobs the Obama administration brags about adding whenever there is the slightest uptick in a jobs report. In 2013, Hobby Lobby raised its lowest wage to $14 for full-time employees and $9.50 for part-time employees. Around 16,000 Hobby Lobby employees are full-time.

Unlike all too many other businesses, Hobby Lobby is growing. It expects to add new locations—and with these new locations new jobs—this year. No one is compelled to work for the company of course, but many workers are not only attracted to these higher-than-typical wages, but also with the comparatively generous benefit package Hobby Lobby offers. Though they lack the full complement of contraceptive coverage, full-time Hobby Lobby employees are eligible to enroll in a generous benefit plan that includes medical, dental, prescription drugs, plus with long-term disability and life insurance.

Hobby Lobby offers a 401(k) plan with a generous match from the company. The headquarters boasts an on-site health clinic open to all full-time employees and family members who are covered under the company’s health insurance plan.

It wouldn’t just be those out-of-work former Hobby Lobby employees affected by the closing of the company. The company’s suppliers would also feel an impact. Since Hobby Lobby stocks around 65,000 items, we can assume quite a few of the company’s vendors would suffer, too.

Schumer, of course, is probably bluffing—he figures that people like the Greens will come to their senses and buckle before doing anything as drastic as going out of business for the sake of their consciences. He shouldn’t be so sure. Some business people would see the wisdom of bending to regulations they originally opposed; but others would not. Religious conviction has a way of confounding the secular.

Religious liberty is a bedrock of American tradition, and there is simply no need to close the doors of the economy to religious employers. Rather than cavalierly suggesting that corporations such as Hobby Lobby have no place in the United States, Schumer could better serve his constituents by trying to lure a Hobby Lobby into New York. I’m told the city could use some new businesses.


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Why would anyone listen to Chuckie Schumer?
1 posted on 07/18/2014 6:24:14 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Mark of the Beast


2 posted on 07/18/2014 6:24:55 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Yup. Now is the time.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 6:25:55 PM PDT by FreeperCell
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To: Kaslin

I hate Nazis. I’ve always hated Nazis.


4 posted on 07/18/2014 6:26:14 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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To: GeronL
first thing that popped into MY head, also.

Yes sir ... plain or filter ?

Flip top box or soft back ?

Regular or menthol ?

wrist or forehead. ?

5 posted on 07/18/2014 6:26:49 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Kaslin
Dear Chuck Schumer:

I'll make sure I hide my faith and morals in my attic when I see them come to load you into a boxcar.

Sincerely,

Alberta's Child

6 posted on 07/18/2014 6:28:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Kaslin

Sounds like 666


7 posted on 07/18/2014 6:29:12 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Kaslin

If Schumer wishes to live in a godless totalitarian state, he should move to Russia. Oh, wait. That crap didn’t work there either and they’re giving it up.


8 posted on 07/18/2014 6:30:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: knarf

You’ve got a lot to like with a Marlboro. Filter, flavor, pack or box.


9 posted on 07/18/2014 6:30:53 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Kaslin

Why Chuckie, you would look SO dashing with that Swastika armband on your suit, wouldn’t you?


10 posted on 07/18/2014 6:31:20 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Kaslin

Chuckie you ignorant slut

Can a man be a slut that right he is Congressman


11 posted on 07/18/2014 6:31:35 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Kaslin

Why would anyone vote for much lrss listen to Chuckie Schumer?


12 posted on 07/18/2014 6:32:30 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Especially those Illinois Nazis. But New York Nazis are right up there, too!


13 posted on 07/18/2014 6:32:50 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: SandRat
Why would anyone vote for much lrss listen to Chuckie Schumer?

Consider his constituents.

14 posted on 07/18/2014 6:34:04 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Kaslin
For good measure, Schumer added, “We don’t have any [Hobby Lobby outlets] in New York, so I don’t know exactly what they sell.”

There are at least a dozen Hobby Lobby stores in New York State.

15 posted on 07/18/2014 6:34:30 PM PDT by gasport (Will operate for food.)
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To: gasport
There is one right around the corner from me here in WNY, so Herr Schumer is once again talking out of his wazoo.
16 posted on 07/18/2014 6:38:08 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Kaslin

Schumer would have made a good Nazi, but since the Nazis are largely out of business, he’s become a good Commie.

Seigy Heil Herr Schumer-Putin!


17 posted on 07/18/2014 6:39:15 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Kaslin

So, Chucky Schmuck claims the 1st amendment no longer applies in the US.

He needs to be tossed out of Congress. He represents nothing American.


18 posted on 07/18/2014 6:39:28 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Kaslin
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I'm guessing this was OK with Chuckie?
19 posted on 07/18/2014 6:39:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Kaslin

Such irony, we have people hyperventilating over Putin while we have a communist deconstructing our own country right under our noses. He may look and act inept, but he is acieiving his goals with little blowback. I think that fact has even surprised Obama. As Valerie says, “easy peasy”.

People like Schumer should scare the hell out of freedom loving people.

When freedom is gone and tyrants are controlling your whole life, it really matters not which tyrants are running the place. A tyrant is a tyrant.


20 posted on 07/18/2014 6:40:01 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Kaslin
Some business people would see the wisdom of bending to regulations they originally opposed; but others would not. Religious conviction has a way of confounding the secular.

obamacare has only hit a small % of the population. When it starts to be forced on businesses how many Christians will refuse to sign up?

Hobby Lobby sure does walk the talk. They put their money where their mouth was and won.

21 posted on 07/18/2014 6:40:40 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Kaslin

These SOB’s don’t even hide it anymore.


22 posted on 07/18/2014 6:41:42 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: dforest

Agree, thanks.


23 posted on 07/18/2014 6:43:53 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: CodeToad

It hasn’t since at least the 1960s. We have no Freedom of Association anymore. It ended then. Leftists will now extend it’s ban to gays etc.


24 posted on 07/18/2014 6:49:59 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: headstamp 2
These SOB’s don’t even hide it anymore.

That's the really scary part.

It's like Obama's lies -- we know that he's lying -- and he knows that we know it -- and he doesn't care. He laughs.

Hold on to your hats. It's going to get ugly.

25 posted on 07/18/2014 6:50:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: Kaslin

Fascist...Jizya....


26 posted on 07/18/2014 6:50:20 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Kaslin

The genius of the communist north is boundless.


27 posted on 07/18/2014 6:51:30 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama - "I will stand with the Muslims")
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To: Kaslin

I think a good rebuttal to Schumer should be just two words:

“Atheism Tax”.

That is, what he is proposing is in effect a “religion tax”, so if the constitution can be violated that way, shouldn’t it work both ways?


28 posted on 07/18/2014 6:57:36 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Kaslin
But they’d never do anything like that to you, Chuck, would they? You’re a good, loyal Ger...American. It could never happen again. Not here.

...right?

29 posted on 07/18/2014 6:57:51 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Catholic doctrine and discipline may be walls; but they are the walls of a playground."--GKC)
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To: Kaslin

He should be expelled from the Senate for this.


30 posted on 07/18/2014 6:58:45 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: Kaslin

The irony is, I bet at some time some of Mr. Schumer’s ancestors way back in the old country were told, “You don’t have to convert, but if you don’t convert you will be a second-class citizen.”


31 posted on 07/18/2014 7:03:21 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Kaslin
Evidently when Liberals use the words "diversity," "tolerance" and "inclusiveness" what they mean is "our way or the highway."
32 posted on 07/18/2014 7:13:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Kaslin

The fascist speaks.


33 posted on 07/18/2014 7:21:07 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: dforest
Such irony, we have people hyperventilating over Putin while we have a communist deconstructing our own country right under our noses.

Sad isn't it? Our nation is burning to the ground and idiots want us to fight the fight the EU won't fight.
34 posted on 07/18/2014 7:22:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Kaslin

What a putz.


35 posted on 07/18/2014 7:25:10 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Kaslin

I hate to say I agree with Schummer. When The Beast is at the wheel filling the tank is not what one should do...


36 posted on 07/18/2014 7:28:51 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No, Fate is not so nice to you when you are not kissing Putin’s feet. Alexander Litvinenko is a good example of this. I would be willing to bet if more than half of our politicians were in Russia, they would be pro-Putin pretty fast, for their own benefit.


37 posted on 07/18/2014 7:30:02 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: 17th Miss Regt

They ought to have a contest between IL and NY Nazis to determine who is the worst. But then the MA, NJ, and VT Nazis would demand to be included in the contest.


38 posted on 07/18/2014 7:34:10 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: PghBaldy

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended freedom of association, but Hubert Humphrey thought it maintained freedom of association.


39 posted on 07/18/2014 7:35:50 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: Kaslin
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Sen. Chuck Schumer, Timothy Cardinal Dolan push Congress to pass bill for helping illegal residents become citizens

Who cares about persecution? Think of the social justice!

40 posted on 07/18/2014 7:39:51 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Kaslin
Related FR thread:
"Convert, pay tax, or die, Islamic State warns Christians"
41 posted on 07/18/2014 7:51:00 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro.)
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To: Kaslin

“Why would anyone listen to Chuckie Schumer?”

Why would anyone vote for him?

People, who don’t know what’s going on, should not vote.

NY State should be able to dump NYC, and let all the loonies stay in the NYC side of the state.

My apologies to my in-laws, and others, in NYC who are conservatives.


42 posted on 07/18/2014 8:14:36 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All; Kaslin

‘Schumer added, “We don’t have any [Hobby Lobby outlets] in New York, so I don’t know exactly what they sell.”’

Schumer is wrong. There are two Hobby Lobbys within an hour from where I live - one in Latham, NY, and one in Queensbury, NY. There might be more in NY State that I’m not aware of.


43 posted on 07/18/2014 8:26:35 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kaslin

This must be a New York liberal leadership infection. The Governor wants the Christians, conservatives, gun rights supporters, well, American citizens, to know they are not welcome in New York, and their senior senator wants the same types to know that if he had his way, they would not be welcome in America.


44 posted on 07/18/2014 8:57:07 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Just what is the real reason to disarm a law abiding citizen like me?)
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To: Kaslin

obvious 1st Amendment violation


45 posted on 07/18/2014 9:02:28 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Kaslin

He is the mouthpiece of the secular jihad on America.


46 posted on 07/18/2014 11:14:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

“...at some time some of Mr. Schumer’s ancestors way back in the old country...”

Back in the “Old Days”, Chuckie would have been a prototypical Judenrat. His current shtik is some new & improved (/S) version not tailored to one faith. It’s “one size fits all”.


47 posted on 07/19/2014 3:39:26 AM PDT by Huaynero
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To: cripplecreek

Hard to believe we have elections in about three months and the biggest issue is the latest issue that takes us out into the weeds. Meanwhile Chuck Schumer makes a chilling remark like this and you end up with a thread with no more than about 50 posts. They are all off arguing over whether we should fight Putin. Never mind our military is being decimated, the troops and vets abused, invaded by dependent illegals, cops acting like stormtroopers, citizens being snooped on, IRS totally out of control, the Constitution dumped in the trash bin.

And Americans are distracted by something that we are unequipped in every way to deal with. Anyone who wants a war with Obama at the helm is not facing reality. We need to take care of our own house first. The usual response by the Ukraine war mongers is that “we can walk and chew gum at the same time”. Well, so can the Obama regime. While those people are walking and chewing and waiting for the big O to do something, he is ordering, demanding and plotting the next freedom stripping order behind our backs.


48 posted on 07/19/2014 3:58:23 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Sun
There are two Hobby Lobbys within an hour from where I live - one in Latham, NY, and one in Queensbury, NY. There might be more in NY State that I’m not aware of.
A quick search turns up:

City Address Zip Telephone
Blasdell 3701 McKinley Parkway, Unit #1240 14219 (716) 823-3592
Buffalo 6743 Transit Road 14221 (716) 630-5081
Depew 2090 George Urban Blvd. 14043 (716) 686-0114
Elmira 830 County Route 64, Suite 4 14903 (607) 739-3848
Fayetteville 6797 East Genesee Street 13066 (315) 446-4936
Ithaca 744 S. Meadow Street 14850 (607) 272-1823
Latham 873 New Loudon Road, Suite 3 12110 (518) 783-0653
Liverpool 3884 State Route 31 13090 (315) 652-3894
Middletown 400 Route 211 East 10940 (845) 343-7884
New Hartford 4605 Commercial Drive 13413 (315) 736-3817
Niagara Falls 1560 Military Road 14304 (716) 297-2093
Poughkeepsie 1895 South Road 12601 (845) 298-3235
Queensbury 820 State Route 9 12804 (518) 798-2814
Webster 900 Holt Road 14580 (585) 872-7570

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49 posted on 07/19/2014 3:58:37 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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To: gasport
For good measure, Schumer added, “We don’t have any [Hobby Lobby outlets] in New York, so I don’t know exactly what they sell.”

There are at least a dozen Hobby Lobby stores in New York State.

You probably don't know this, then... to anyone in New York City, the entire state of New York is merely NYC, plus some insignificant suburbs. They are incredibly elitist, and do not care one whit about "upstate"... which is mostly farm country, some really nice mountains, and a few apparently insignificant cities like Buffalo, Albany (the state capitol), Syracuse, Rochester, etc. To the Elite, "New York" only means the area between Staten Island, the Bronx, and Queens... if that much.

50 posted on 07/19/2014 4:13:34 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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