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This baby's death is on your conscience, Putin - damn you for centuries (w/ photos of the departed)
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 23:41 EST, 18 July 2014 | Kieran Corcoran and Darren Boyle and Tom Mctague and Stephanie Linning

Posted on 07/18/2014 11:22:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

Ukraine launched an extraordinary attack on Vladimir Putin tonight by publishing a horrific picture of a dead baby and accusing the Russian president of having the blood of the infant victim of flight MH17 on his hands.

Senior government advisor Anton Gerashchenko today stepped up the rhetorical attack on the Kremlin by posting the picture with a message to Mr Putin saying: 'This baby's death is on your conscience', before adding 'Damn you for centuries!'

He said that he agonised over whether to publish the image of the tiny corpse lying in a ploughed field. MailOnline has chosen not to publish the photograph because it is too upsetting.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
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1 posted on 07/18/2014 11:22:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

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2 posted on 07/18/2014 11:28:50 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Pshaaw! Wait till Iran has the bomb. After all, Russia won’t be the one to push the launch button.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 11:50:16 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: publius911

Yesterday liveleak had a video of part of the wreckage bodies and all. The media has a duty to show the public such things so that we will know the full impact of such events. The suppression of the images of 9-11 has lead to it being mostly forgotten.


4 posted on 07/18/2014 11:50:54 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

Why is it all on Putin’s conscience? Why did our country elect a lip flapper just for the purpose of gay rights, baby killing, medical system destruction, energy destruction, erosion of freedoms, handouts to all, bigotry and other assaults against us?

Why is the so-called leader of the free world a crusader for a bunch of sheyt and not a true leader of this country?


5 posted on 07/19/2014 12:08:43 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: Zhang Fei

What conscience?


6 posted on 07/19/2014 12:10:29 AM PDT by LibWhacker (A New WPA: Hire blacks to surround illegal enclaves and round up job-stealing illegal aliens)
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To: angry elephant

“...Why did our country elect a lip flapper just for the purpose of gay rights, baby killing, medical system destruction, energy destruction, erosion of freedoms, handouts to all, bigotry and other assaults against us?...”

He was just so well-spoken for a Negro and he was just so trendy and...


7 posted on 07/19/2014 12:36:29 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: outofsalt

That’s a good analogy...anyone that would help Iran create nuclear weapons is evil.


8 posted on 07/19/2014 12:40:36 AM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: fella
Yesterday liveleak had a video of part of the wreckage bodies and all. The media has a duty to show the public such things so that we will know the full impact of such events. The suppression of the images of 9-11 has lead to it being mostly forgotten.

Thank you for that comment.I felt extreme anger at the decision to not to publish the picture, although subsequently, I discovered that the New York Times had published the "offending" image, which was universally criticized, by among others, the Mexican public and its press, which did also publish it, with a prior accompanying caution.

Why my anger? Because the Mexican press published images in 2001 that the American public was prevented from seeing by its nanny government and its mainstream media. To this day. Because they were too "gruesome and disturbing."

I have not met nor known of anyone more squeamish than myself, and yet I wanted to release any reluctance at justification for maximum hate and revulsion at the perpetrators.

Humanity has produced many historical mass murders beyond comprehension, most of them the result of political ideology, including during the 20th century. Some however the result of religious fanaticism.

The baby image in question is respectful and in no way catering to idle curiosity, and it underscores the usually unseen and unknown agony of others. The dead baby is not in any way recognizable by anyone.

But above all else, it reminds us of the daily inhumanity in the world seemingly everywhere, and the inability of the rest of us to produce the outrage necessary, someday to rise up and put a stop to it, by whatever means are necessary.

Yes I was compelled to find the image, view it and not simply dismiss it as another senseless but too common statistic. I felt I owed that much to the unknown child.

9 posted on 07/19/2014 12:47:51 AM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

If the crash is the result of someone knowingly targeting a civilian passenger plane then sure.

But in this case there is some evidence the shooters thought they were hitting a military transport plane in a warzone.

So if hitting an civilian airliner was accident, then publishing gory pics might only serve to increase tension and escalate conflict. Or is that the goal?

Ukraine accidentally shot down a passenger plane in 2001. Should gore pics of babies been published there?


10 posted on 07/19/2014 1:27:01 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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I looked at the Liveleak video and have seen some pictures in foreign media.

I can understand that in a fire, clothes will be burned off, but I don’t understand how the clothes are off on some people here and the body isn’t burned. Also, some people have some clothes on, but not the whole outfit.

Also, at 30,000’, would people pass out once the fuselage is breached or is there air at that level? I can only hope that people were unconscious when they hit the ground.


11 posted on 07/19/2014 1:28:52 AM PDT by radiohead
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To: Mount Athos

The US accidentally shot down a civilian airliner during the Iran Iraq war. Over 200 civilians died.
I doubt this was deliberate since 2 other airlines carrying troops were shot down in the same area.


12 posted on 07/19/2014 1:33:00 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: angry elephant

“Why did our country elect a lip flapper just for the purpose of gay rights, baby killing, medical system destruction, energy destruction, erosion of freedoms, handouts to all, bigotry and other assaults against us?”

Free stuff, demographics, and to hear some women describe it, “that smile.”


13 posted on 07/19/2014 2:04:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: Mount Athos
Ukraine accidentally shot down a passenger plane in 2001. Should gore pics of babies been published there?

I don't know.
I was just expressing my opinion about this incident.
The jury is still out as to whether this was an accident, a deliberate act or simply incompetence with a smidgen of criminal negligence on the part of the Russian political leadership..

14 posted on 07/19/2014 2:15:48 AM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

I do not see this as a deliberate act. What could they have gained from such a thing?


15 posted on 07/19/2014 3:10:17 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Zhang Fei
Putin owns this.

Putin is to blame for Flight 17's Destruction

16 posted on 07/19/2014 3:27:25 AM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Needless death like this in any country from any event is tragic and should be condemned.

In that vein, I call on the authors to publish the pictures of the dead children washed up on the banks of the Rio Grande and to further “damn you to hell for centuries” on Mr. Obama.


17 posted on 07/19/2014 3:30:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Zhang Fei

Too bad we aren’t able to publish photos of the 55 million babies WE have slaughtered on the altar of DEMOCRAT progressive abortion.


18 posted on 07/19/2014 3:39:28 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: Monterrosa-24

And don’t forget that he was “clean and articulate,” according to Joe Biden.


19 posted on 07/19/2014 3:42:35 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: Mount Athos
So if hitting an civilian airliner was accident,

There was no accident here. These pigs intentionally shot down that plane. And, when they did intentionally shoot down that plane, they did not have any reason to believe that it was a military transport plane. These pigs just didn't care.

These are the folks that Putin left in charge of weapons capable of downing commercial airliners. Putin is as incompetent as the idiots he left in charge of these rockets.

20 posted on 07/19/2014 3:46:14 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Heisenberg would get it.

Better your swimming pool than your kitchen!

21 posted on 07/19/2014 3:53:21 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Gaffer

“...damn you to hell for centuries...” doesn’t begin to cover what awaits the Putins, Herods, Obungas, Clintons, Hitlers, Ahmadinajabs, Pelosis, Alreds, Blackmuns, et al of this world. Neither does “ages” or “eons”. I have no means of emphasizing it enough. ETERNITY has NO END.....EVER!


22 posted on 07/19/2014 3:58:07 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: Tucker39

Merely making the authors’ condemnation more appropriate to another equally disturbing act of treachery here in this country. I think most people know that damnation is forever.


23 posted on 07/19/2014 4:02:09 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Tau Food

So you say they knew it was commercial airliner and shot it down. I guess based on some pretense to psychic powers.

So... hows the rest of the theory go. How did it benefit them? What was the motivation to kill uninvolved third party?


24 posted on 07/19/2014 4:15:17 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Tau Food

Actually, you are wrong.
There is what can be called irrational exuberance, the giddiness that allows people to act with no thought. There was success shooting down a transport. That is a precedent. the other plane is another transport. Precedent says it must be shot down.

In the absence of a command structure the giddiness takes control and the trigger is pulled with no thought...... that’s what we did before. we’ll do it again


25 posted on 07/19/2014 4:20:45 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Mount Athos
So you say they knew it was commercial airliner and shot it down.

No, I said:

"There was no accident here. These pigs intentionally shot down that plane. And, when they did intentionally shoot down that plane, they did not have any reason to believe that it was a military transport plane. These pigs just didn't care."

I am not claiming that these pigs were competent enough to know what they were doing. I acknowledge that they were jerks. And, I acknowledge that Putin probably didn't want a commercial airliner shot down. He's just incompetent and he incompetently left dangerous missiles in the hands of other incompetent jerks. Isn't that obvious by now?

Putin has always been incompetent. He's screwing up his little project in the Ukraine just as he has screwed up his country's economy for more than a decade. He's a jerk who's bound to lose in the end, but in the meantime, his incompetence is going to cause a lot of innocent people, including children and infants, to lose their lives.

26 posted on 07/19/2014 4:28:41 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: bert
In the absence of a command structure the giddiness takes control and the trigger is pulled with no thought..

I don't disagree with that. I just think that it is incompetent to provide these kinds of missiles to incompetent jerks who lack a command structure. It just underlines the fact that Putin is incompetent. But, anyone who's been to Russia and has experienced the economy that Putin has created knows that Putin is incompetent. He's in way over his head. He'll screw things up in the Ukraine just as he has screwed things up in Russia.

27 posted on 07/19/2014 4:33:54 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: LadyDoc

It was deliberate. That launcher also has the systems to monitor and identify civilian aircraft. Either they turned it off, it was damaged, or they disregarded it. The aircraft was not flying in a protected no-fly zone. It was deliberate.

As for your reference to the Iranian airliner, you would be best advised to educate yourself before making ANY inferences

Iran Air Flight 655 (July 3, 1988)

An August 1988 report from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called the shoot-down of an Iranian civilian airliner over the Persian Gulf by a U.S. guided missile cruiser “a tragic and regrettable accident,” adding, “[A]s is so often the case in a combat environment, there were a number of contributing factors.”

Those factors included the 1987 attack on the USS Stark during the Iran-Iraq War, by an Iraqi fighter jet whose pilot — reportedly mistaking the U.S. warship for an Iranian oil tanker — fired Exocet missiles at the Stark off the coast of Saudi Arabia, near the war zone. Thirty-seven American crew members were killed.

Other tensions in the waters off Iran, as well as reports of Iranian attempts to improve their ability to attack American ships, led to a change in the rules of engagement with perceived or possible threats to U.S. assets. The day before the Iran Air incident, on July 2, the USS Halsey warned away a potentially threatening Iranian F-14.

On July 3, the USS Vincennes and the frigate USS Montgomery were engaging several small Iranian boats challenging a Pakistani merchant ship.

At the same time, Iran Air Flight 655, an Airbus A300 B2-203, took off from a joint civilian/military air field in Bandar Abbas, destination Dubai. There were 290 people on board, including 16 crewmembers.

Bandar Abbas was the same air field from which Iranian F-4s were launched in support of attacks on U.S. Naval forces in April.

“It is hard to overemphasize the fact that Bandar Abbas is also a military airfield,” the Joint Chiefs of Staff report said. “The Air Bus was probably not informed of the surface action taking place in the Strait. Informed or not, Flight 655 logically appeared to have a direct relationship to the ongoing surface engagement.”

The Vincennes was tracking an Iranian P-3 military aircraft, flying approximately 60 nautical miles northwest, when it saw the unidentified aircraft, flying within a known commercial air corridor, with a transponder signal that appeared to identify the craft as an F-14. It did not respond to radio warnings.

With the plane’s distance at nine miles and coming closer, descending to an altitude of 13,000 feet, it was deemed a threat to the Vincennes. Surface-to-air missiles were fired.

The 290 victims included Iranian nationals as well as citizens of the United Arab Emirates, India, Pakistan, Yugoslavia and Italy.

The Joint Chiefs Chairman’s report states, “I believe that the actions of Iran were the proximate cause of this accident and would argue that Iran must bear the principal responsibility for the tragedy. . . . It was especially reprehensible to allow an airliner to take off from a joint ‘military/civilian’ airfield and fly directly into the midst of a gunfight. As for the aircraft itself, its failure not to monitor the international air distress net and not to respond to challenges was significantly negligent.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/past-commercial-airliners-shot-down-by-military-rebels/


28 posted on 07/19/2014 4:34:33 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Tau Food

Providing the missiles to the separatists has clearly been shown as a blunder.


29 posted on 07/19/2014 4:39:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Tau Food

What exactly does anyone in Russia or among the Ukrainian rebels have to gain by shooting down a Malaysian passenger jet filled with mostly Dutch passengers?


30 posted on 07/19/2014 4:43:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Mount Athos

It should be obvious with the number of Ukrainian military aircraft that have been shot down by the Russian mercenaries, the latest incident was a deliberate shoot down with unintended consequences. Their posts on the internet, now deleted, show they thought it was a military transport. Once they checked the debris at the crash site, it was obvious it was civilian and they reported to their controller that there was no military material.


31 posted on 07/19/2014 4:46:02 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Alberta's Child
What exactly does anyone in Russia or among the Ukrainian rebels have to gain by shooting down a Malaysian passenger jet filled with mostly Dutch passengers?

Nothing.

This event just demonstrates the incompetence of Putin and his cronies. It is just plain stupid to leave weapons like these in the hands of people who don't know what they're doing and who don't care enough about the lives of innocent people to find out exactly what they are doing before intentionally shooting down what might be (and, in fact, was) a commercial jet.

There isn't any excuse or justification for any of this. Putin is just incompetent.

32 posted on 07/19/2014 4:50:20 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

ok thank you.


33 posted on 07/19/2014 4:57:16 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Tau Food
Oh, OK.

So it sounds similar to what the U.S. has been doing all over the world over the last few decades.

34 posted on 07/19/2014 4:57:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Well, you can be as critical as you want about our country “over the last few decades,” but right now we’re dealing with Putin’s incompetence. I know that there are some folks who seem to admire him, but for the life of me I can’t figure out why. Maybe it’s just a bunch of queers who get excited when any guy takes his shirt off in public. It’s a strange phenomenon because Putin is particularly incompetent. All those photo-ops are Putin’s way of trying to cover that up. Gaddafi used to prance around on horseback, too. Same ploy.


35 posted on 07/19/2014 5:06:01 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

Sorry, dude — but I just burst out laughing at the notion of anyone here in the U.S. criticizing a foreign leader for “incompetence.” LMAO.


36 posted on 07/19/2014 5:08:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Zhang Fei

More effective (still sum zero) to send photos of 80 million or so aborted fetuses to abortion butchers and the Leftists who support them.


37 posted on 07/19/2014 5:18:03 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Tau Food

You have NO idea whether this aircraft was shot down because it was misidentified or intentionally shot down knowingly. None. Stop pretending that you do.


38 posted on 07/19/2014 5:22:22 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad
You have NO idea whether this aircraft was shot down because it was misidentified or intentionally shot down knowingly. None. Stop pretending that you do.

There is no question that they intentionally shot down that plane. It is simply inconceivable that they accidentally fired a rocket and it just happened to hit a plane. That plane was shot down because they wanted that plane to be shot down.

39 posted on 07/19/2014 5:26:09 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: johniegrad; Tau Food

Disregard my last. You have addressed it in subsequent posts. But your original post stated your opinion unclearly leading to the responses you received.


40 posted on 07/19/2014 5:27:23 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: radiohead

The concussion itself will strip victims. In World War I, people were blown out of the trenches and partially stripped. Old photos show that.

The real question is whether the operators were aiming at a known civilian jet. That and why a jetliner was flying over an active war zone. The route should have been changed well before now


41 posted on 07/19/2014 5:27:42 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: radiohead

Bodies from exploding aircraft at cruising speed typically come down naked because they hit 500+ mph winds upon exiting the plane and clothes are instantly ripped off


42 posted on 07/19/2014 5:28:00 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Mount Athos

Maybe if the thugs in control of the crash site would allow the OSCE to do its job and gather up the dead there might be fewer pictures floating around showing the horror that Putin’s cossacks did here.


43 posted on 07/19/2014 5:41:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Tau Food
There was no accident here. These pigs intentionally shot down that plane. And, when they did intentionally shoot down that plane, they did not have any reason to believe that it was a military transport plane. These pigs just didn't care.

These are the folks that Putin left in charge of weapons capable of downing commercial airliners. Putin is as incompetent as the idiots he left in charge of these rockets.

YEP --

44 posted on 07/19/2014 5:45:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: mazda77; Tau Food
It was deliberate. That launcher also has the systems to monitor and identify civilian aircraft. Either they turned it off, it was damaged, or they disregarded it.

That may become obvious shortly here.

This plane may have been targeted for no other reason than that it was coming from the West -- from the direction of Kiev -- and both are linked together in Russian minds and hated.

If the plane was flying north-south they would not have touched it but west-east was fair game.

And look at the net effect of the downing of MH17 -- the once highly travelled air corridor over eastern Ukraine has been shut down causing now greater difficulty and expense for airlines travelling east-west.

This is Putin punishing the West for its sanctions against Russia.

45 posted on 07/19/2014 6:05:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: meatloaf

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Donetskian knumbskull Igors pushed the red button thinking that it was a Ukrainian transport plane while the Russian technicians operating it under Putin’s orders knew very well that it was a commercial airliner.


46 posted on 07/19/2014 6:11:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Their excuse that they thought it was filled with Ukrainian troops is laughable because the aircraft was 25 miles from crossing the Russian border at 33K. Where in the hell did they think it was going to land to be a threat to them?


47 posted on 07/19/2014 6:51:58 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: LadyDoc

Thank you.


48 posted on 07/19/2014 7:01:23 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Zhang Fei

Not to take up for Putin at all...but how many baby corpses is that POS in our own WH responsible for?

May HE suffer the eternal consequences!


49 posted on 07/19/2014 7:06:17 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: fella

I saw those photos.

How did the bodies stay intact as much as they were from a plane crashing from several thousand feet?


50 posted on 07/19/2014 7:07:41 AM PDT by mom4melody
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