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Commercial Planes Routinely Fly Over Conflict Zones, From Ukraine to Syria
Mashable ^ | 7/18 | Andrew Friedman; Jessica Plautz

Posted on 07/19/2014 1:32:57 AM PDT by nickcarraway

A Mashable investigation shows that aircraft from many nations, including the U.S., Europe and the Middle East, routinely fly at high altitudes over tense conflict zones such as Ukraine, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. In the wake of the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on Thursday, such overflights may be reexamined.

Aviation regulators, including the Federal Aviation Administration, issue warnings to pilots based on information about any hazards, including military activity in the area of a planned route of flight. For example, in the days leading up to the Malaysia Airlines crash, the FAA banned American carriers from flying over eastern Ukraine, where Flight 17 was shot down, at altitudes below 32,000 feet.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was flying at 33,000 feet when it was blown out of the sky.

That plane was not alone in that area at the time, either.

According to data from the flight-tracking company FlightRadar24, there were 55 planes that flew over eastern Ukraine around where Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 was hit on Thursday, including those from Qatar, Emirates, Etihad, Austrian Airlines, Thai Airways, Jet Airways and Pakistan International Airways.

A Singapore Airlines flight from Copenhagen to Singapore was within 15 miles of Flight 17 at the time of the crash.

The FAA's bans, which do not apply to international airlines, were imposed using orders that are known as "notices to airmen," or NOTAM. On July 14, a NOTAM was issued for U.S. air carriers to limit flights over eastern Ukraine to altitudes above 32,000 feet. Previous NOTAMs had entirely closed off the airspace over Crimea, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in March.

Subsequent NOTAMS issued in the wake of the crash have closed off all altitudes to U.S.-based carriers, and data shows that most airlines are now flying around Ukraine — either over the Russian side of the border or south across Turkey — to cross between Europe and the Middle East or Asia.

According to Don Biener, a retired American Airlines captain who flew the Boeing 777 on international routes until 2003, the NOTAMs issued prior to the disaster did not close off the airspace where the Malaysian aircraft was shot down. It wasn't until after the crash that the FAA issued a NOTAM closing off entire sections of airspace, known as "flight information regions" or FIRs, to U.S. carriers, stating:


But before the ban went into effect, when the Malaysia Airlines captain would have received his flight plan from airline dispatchers in Amsterdam, Biener says that there was little reason to question the route of flight.

Biener says if American Airlines airline dispatchers, who compile flight plans for specific flights, had provided him with the NOTAMs that were in effect at that time, and a route that included flying over eastern Ukraine, he most likely would have taken that route.

“If dispatch had given me a flight plan with the NOTAMs included, I would have taken that trip myself and thought nothing of it,” Biener told Mashable in an interview. “The company approved that flight plan.”

Malaysia Airlines says that in addition to being sanctioned by its dispatchers, the flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol, which is the air traffic control organization in Europe. On its Facebook page, the airline stated: "MH17’s flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol, who are solely responsible for determining civil aircraft flight paths over European airspace."

According to Biener, pilots rarely overrule aircraft dispatchers unless there is a weather issue enroute. He said he never had to reroute "for a foreign armed conflict" in his years of flying both for the military and for the airlines.

The issue of commercial aircraft flying over conflict zones is not limited to the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Data shows that U.S. airlines and many others routinely fly over Iraq, where fighting has been fierce in recent weeks and some Iraqi Air Force aircraft have been downed. They also fly over Syria, where rebel fighters have repeatedly downed Syrian Air Force jets using missiles and other ordinance.

For example, on July 16, Delta Airlines Flight 8 from Atlanta to Dubai (also a Boeing 777) avoided Ukrainian airspace, but flew over both Syria and Iraq on its way to its final destination, according to records from, another flight-tracking company.

Some airlines were avoiding Ukrainian airspace before the Malaysia Airlines disaster. For example, British Airways Flight 11, from London Heathrow to Singapore, has been alternating between routes to the north and south of the country in recent days. However, it has flown over Afghanistan and the tribal areas of Pakistan, which are both areas beset by conflict.

Avoiding conflict zones entirely could cost airlines millions in fuel costs, since they prefer to fly the most direct routes possible. However, the cost of nearly 300 lives lost could amount to billions of dollars in liability claims, in addition to incalculable grief and suffering.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: syria; travel; ukraine

1 posted on 07/19/2014 1:32:58 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

At this moment by daughter , along with 27 students from the high school at which she teaches here in Japan , is flying over Russia via Japan Airlines to London .

2 posted on 07/19/2014 2:32:11 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman

May she have safe travels.

3 posted on 07/19/2014 4:26:37 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: sushiman

Sounds like it would be a polar route if between Japan and action there. She’ll be fine.

4 posted on 07/19/2014 4:44:36 AM PDT by BobL
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To: nickcarraway

My flight from London to Mumbia took me over Syria last year.

5 posted on 07/19/2014 4:48:54 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: nickcarraway
An advanced Russian missile, fired by military combatants in Eastern Ukraine, shot down a passenger plane full of innocent people, which could not possibly have been mistaken for a target of any military value...

and all the news agencies will discuss is the stories of those lucky few who were almost on that flight, about how it is a "tragedy" (as if it was not intentional), and call it a "crash" (as if it were a mechanical failure or an act of Nature).

6 posted on 07/19/2014 4:55:29 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: nickcarraway

Couple errors in the article.

Most airlines avoid Syria now, the article mistakenly implies the opposite.

And that 31,000 no go ceiling above the Donetsk warzone was a decision made originally by Ukraine, not the FAA. The FAA simply relayed the decision made by Ukraine.

The conflict is in a tiny part of Ukraine, it would have been easy to route around before.

This BBC article has better info I think.

7 posted on 07/19/2014 5:41:33 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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I think the powers that be better take another look at all the neat stuff ISIS grabbed from Iraq and rethink their flight routes.

8 posted on 07/19/2014 5:55:35 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: BobL

Not polar route . Look .

9 posted on 07/19/2014 6:30:20 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: nickcarraway

Some time only once.

10 posted on 07/19/2014 7:06:58 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Mount Athos
While there can certainly be some debate as to what air carriers did with regard to flying over the Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, I'm sure we can all agree that with hindsight as to what happened on Thursday, those countries will see far fewer commercial flights overhead.

I do like the fact that a little perspective has been brought back, especially when the conspiracy always crowd was demanding to know why the Malaysia jet was there, flying over a war zone.

Fact is, they weren't the only ones, and the decision to do so was mostly financial, meaning saving avgas.

Unlike the Putinistas trying to blame Kiev for vectoring them in... The actual facts speak for themselves.

To wit: Russian separatists got trigger happy after making a couple of successful kills earlier in the week on Ukrainian military planes, shot it down without even thinking about the possibility that it was a commercial jet.

The airlines, blithely unaware of the danger below and the rapid escalation concerning the two recent shoot downs, were expecting the crews to fly the cheapest, quickest most direct routes, especially those airlines that are cash strapped and not well-led.

11 posted on 07/19/2014 7:25:15 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: sushiman

Naa, you’re good.

They will always fly Great Circle if they can, much cheaper. I think they just don’t want to clutter their map too much.

12 posted on 07/19/2014 8:01:59 AM PDT by BobL
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