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Get Ready for the New England Power Shortage
am spectator ^ | 7/18/14 | w tucker

Posted on 07/19/2014 6:18:35 AM PDT by bestintxas

n 1980, under the first administration of Governor Jerry Brown, California decided it wasn’t going to build any more power plants but would follow Amory Lovins’ “soft path,” opting instead for conservation and renewable energy. By 2000, with the new digital economy sucking up electricity, a drought in the Pacific Northwest cut hydropower output and the state found itself facing the Great California Electrical Shortage.

You know what happened next. For weeks the Golden State struggled to find enough electricity to power its traffic lights. Brownouts and blackouts cascaded across the state while businesses fired up smoke-belching diesel generators to keep the lights on. Governor Gray Davis finally got booted out of office but the state didn’t rescue itself until it threw up 12,000 megawatts of new natural gas plants.

At that point California officials decided that the whole thing had been engineered by Enron and other out-of-state merchant providers and the charges and lawsuits flew. No Democrat ever learned a lesson. The state is now 60 percent dependent on natural gas for its electricity — twice the national average — and its electric bills are almost twice that of surrounding states. Industry is headed for the door.

So how have California’s liberal counterparts on the East Coast managed to avoid the same fate? You’d think a region that could produce Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders plus legions of college students trained to hate fossil fuels would have no trouble pursuing the same green dreams. Well, it’s about to happen. In the next few years New England will be facing a full-scale power shortage.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: bluestates; energy; newengland; powergrid
I recall living in NE in the 80s. Nuclear power plants were shut down, no coal was allowed, no gas lines were approved, only burning fuel oil and occasional lpg.

I know there are a few gas lines that move gas around, but NIMBY is alive and well and will kill people if things go south.

I say let 'em freeze in the dark.

1 posted on 07/19/2014 6:18:35 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

It’s an Atlas Shrugged world.


2 posted on 07/19/2014 6:21:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: bestintxas

When I moved to Boston in the mid-80s, there was a sign adjacent to one of the elevated highways in town (and it did not appear to be a new sign, it was weathered).

It had a light like a traffic signal (or highway onramp) light. It had some panic message about how energy levels were being exceeded. I never saw that red light trip. It was constantly at “OK- but GO SLOW”.

Big Bruddah is watching you.

The more things change in the “miracle” that was Dukakis’ Massachusetts, the more they stay the same.


3 posted on 07/19/2014 6:22:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: bestintxas; GeronL

I worked in the tech sector up there (about 40 miles out of town) and we constantly experienced rolling blackouts in the summer.

Ever try to run a computer company without power?

Okay, everybody go home.


4 posted on 07/19/2014 6:23:26 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: bestintxas

Dead Red Ted Kennedy wouldn’t permit a wind farm on Martha’s vineyard’s playground for the idle/idol rich.


5 posted on 07/19/2014 6:24:21 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: bestintxas

How WELL I remember the rolling Brown-...Outs..courtesy OF Jerry Brown and company. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone given that most areas have reasonable decent sane people in them ..even if only as a miniscule minority.


6 posted on 07/19/2014 6:24:49 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: bestintxas

Time to revise an old slogan:

“Let the dumb bastards freeze in the dark.”


7 posted on 07/19/2014 6:25:42 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: bestintxas

8 posted on 07/19/2014 6:26:04 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: bestintxas

Meanwhile the White House will remain a toasty 80-plus degrees all winter.

Does anyone else remember those stories from early in the Obama regime?


9 posted on 07/19/2014 6:28:08 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: P.O.E.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/29/obama-cranks-up-white-hou_n_162127.html


10 posted on 07/19/2014 6:29:19 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: a fool in paradise

Blue State Dimmers. Full of hope-n-change, but not very bright. Soon to be not very warm either, especially after the EPA bans wood stoves.


11 posted on 07/19/2014 6:32:10 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: P.O.E.

In case it goes down the memory hole (barf alert, too):

Obama Cranks Up White House Thermostat: “You Could Grow Orchids In There”

Uh oh.

Hey, remember all that fuss about how Obama was bucking tradition by not wearing his suit jacket in the Oval Office? And how it was going to be much more casual in there? Well, there’s this other side to it: energy waste.

The capital flew into a bit of a tizzy when, on his first full day in the White House, President Obama was photographed in the Oval Office without his suit jacket. There was, however, a logical explanation: Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.

“He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.”

Sure, but didn’t he spend some time in Chicago? And don’t they make their politicians go through some kind of rigorous acclimation training to get used to the cold? Why, just look at these Chicago politician stock photos I’ve found:

.........

In any case, I think Obama wears a suit better than most politicians. Keep the jacket on, I say, and the thermostat down around 68.


12 posted on 07/19/2014 6:32:49 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: P.O.E.
The Bullstalinsplanation for Obama keeping the White Hut so warm is that he was from Kenya Hawaii even though he'd be living in Chicago for decades.


13 posted on 07/19/2014 6:35:33 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: a fool in paradise

At that time we in the Eastern High Plains area were producing so much power that we had to open electrical outlets and let the power flow out on the ground to keep from overwhelming our system! ;-D

Those were hot years and the AC was constantly on keeping us cool as hogs on ice.


14 posted on 07/19/2014 6:38:34 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: DugwayDuke

“Let the dumb bastards freeze in the dark.”

Or as we say on the Southern High plains area amongst the oil wells,

“Drive like hell! Freeze a Yankee!”


15 posted on 07/19/2014 6:41:24 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: bestintxas

16 posted on 07/19/2014 6:44:45 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: bestintxas

So let’s bring in a lot of illegal aliens as icing on the cake. How much more power will they use?


17 posted on 07/19/2014 6:56:36 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: bestintxas

someone remind me who did New England vote for in the 2008 and 2012 elections?


18 posted on 07/19/2014 7:28:47 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: bestintxas

“...but environmental groups insist the lines be buried underground.”

This will never happen, not at the power levels they’re talking about - can’t be done, not even close. The environmental groups, of course, know that - but it plays well with the masses. It allow them to say: “Yes, we have proposed a solution too, but Big Power doesn’t want to pay for it.”

Unfortunately Republicans have NO CLUE as to how to take these people on, no clue at all.


19 posted on 07/19/2014 7:31:35 AM PDT by BobL
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To: bestintxas

The power goes out every time a chipmunk f*rts in Red Hampshire...the number of power outages up here stagger the imagination. During all my time in Tennessee; we lost power ONCE, and that was for just a few hours after a near-miss by a tornado.


20 posted on 07/19/2014 7:33:50 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

I remember them too. 108 and bam the power goes out. We’d sit outside to keep from smothering in the heat. Yay!


21 posted on 07/19/2014 7:37:35 AM PDT by sheana
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To: bestintxas

I have been beating the drum for some time to encourage CONSERVATIVES to get the hell out of Red England before it is too late.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 7:38:21 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: bestintxas
Rhetorical question. How is the following NOT a sign of serious mental/emotional issues:
Meanwhile, natural gas — the fuel that everybody loves until you have to drill for it — has risen from 15 percent to a starkly vulnerable 52 percent, just behind California.

There’s only one problem. New England doesn’t have the pipelines to bring in the gas. Nor is anyone going to allowed to build it, either.

People and their politicians do this to themselves because they are stupid, mentally/emotionally unstable or are the enemies within.

With our generation's progressives, I'm going with "all of the above".

We used to know this stuff. It will take some pain to get wise again...and we shall have it.

23 posted on 07/19/2014 7:40:06 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: a fool in paradise

The Cape Cod NIMBY crowd got it right. Those huge windmills they wanted to put out there would’ve killed a lot of migrating birds.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 7:41:53 AM PDT by grania
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To: sheana

It made using the Internet...a bit TROUBLESOME...

Keeping on top of unfolding events was never more difficult.


25 posted on 07/19/2014 7:50:44 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; DugwayDuke

“Freeze a Yankee!” - The Folkel Minority
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bADTlEo0Y30

This version is from a live performance with explanation of how the song came about and has a few extra lines, etc. (also Gov. Brisco was replace with Clements)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wAjslEMH10


26 posted on 07/19/2014 8:20:08 AM PDT by RebelTex (NO AMNESTY!!! RETURN TO SENDER!!!)
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To: bestintxas

Who needs electricity when we have delta smelt and plovers?


27 posted on 07/19/2014 8:22:02 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: bestintxas

a lot of people are installing wood pellet stoves up there, mainly because it is their only real option to keep from freezing to death.


28 posted on 07/19/2014 10:46:57 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: bestintxas
New England has a nuclear power plant in Seabrook, NH that provides something like 40% of that state's power needs.

Just one plant! Imagine if we had a couple dozen nuclear power plants from Maine down to Connecticut. We could easily have 100% of our power needs met with clean nuclear power.

29 posted on 07/19/2014 10:50:24 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: a fool in paradise

They shut down some Texas power plants too, I hope we don’t experience blackouts


30 posted on 07/19/2014 12:26:11 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: SamAdams76

yeah, that’s the one outside boston that cost #3.5bn and the enviros tried to shut it down upon commissioning.

Utility customers were the ones taking the hit.


31 posted on 07/19/2014 1:33:26 PM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings)
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To: bestintxas

The article is riddled with errors. There was a summit of New England governors a couple of weeks ago – not last week – but Gov. LePage of Maine skipped the photo op, because that is all it was.
Great Northern Paper in East Millinocket Maine did close down, not because of power costs, but because of lack of customers and bad management. They have not reopened and at this point no one rally expects to open on of the two plants purchased for $1 to save them (the second plant has been closed down and is being dismantled – who knew a 20 year old paper machine could be worth millions of dollars).

There are gas pipelines coming into to New England and Maine. We just need more. Most of our generating capacity in Maine is with gas. We have a very large oil fired plant on the coast that sits mostly idle but can produce lots of energy – albeit expensive energy – when needed.

I stopped reading after seeing this crap.


32 posted on 07/19/2014 1:58:20 PM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: bestintxas

He, there are a few conservatives here, and indeed,

the 17.3 cents per kWh Boston households paid for electricity in February 2014 was 29.1 percent more than
the nationwide average of 13.4 cents per kWh. In each of the last five years, the price of electricity in Boston
has always exceeded that for the nation in the month of February, by 15 percent or more. (See chart 2.)

Prices paid by Boston area consumers for utility (piped) gas, commonly referred to as natural gas, were
$1.357 per therm, 25.9 percent more than the national average in February 2014 ($1.078 per therm). Since
February of 2010 the difference between local prices and those of the nation have been 25 percent or more.
(See chart 3.) http://www.bls.gov/ro1/cpibosap.pdf


33 posted on 07/19/2014 6:07:40 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ClayinVA
a lot of people are installing wood pellet stoves up there, mainly because it is their only real option to keep from freezing to death.

They don't run without power.

34 posted on 07/19/2014 6:22:26 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: bestintxas
Anyone who is not cutting their electrical power usage, petroleum product usage and natural gas/propane usage in planning their future is simply not paying attention.

The crazies are in charge. "Power for me, but not for thee, peasant" is their motto.

We'll be like the peasants in James Michener's Poland - we'll be able to burn fallen twigs and suchlike to heat a little water, but the larger windfall branches will be for the Lords, and the King's Men.

35 posted on 07/20/2014 12:25:58 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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