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Ukrainian millitary escorted B777 until 3 minutes before disappearing
Eturbonews ^ | 7-19-2014

Posted on 07/19/2014 6:21:55 AM PDT by Renfield

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is not independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.


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KEYWORDS: hoax; mh17; ukraine
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1 posted on 07/19/2014 6:21:55 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

C’mon Vlad. You can do better than that. Our spy guys know what and whose planes are up there at all times anyway. Sheesh.


2 posted on 07/19/2014 6:26:25 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: Renfield

The fix is in. The day it happened I read the reporters saw rebels with the equipment to take the plane out right before it happened.


3 posted on 07/19/2014 6:29:28 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Renfield

Come on comrade, Vladimir the great does no wrong. Those silly Americans are just trying to blame Mother Russia when they are the dogs, lying in bed with those evil Ukranians.....

Just ignore that a separatist took responsibility, then renegged when he realized it was a commercial plane. Ignore that the missle was shot from territory not held by the Ukranians. Ignore the pictures of the launcher inside of rebel controlled territory.

Blame everything but the folks that launched the rocket.

Somewhere Baghdad Bob is looking on applauding.


4 posted on 07/19/2014 6:32:09 AM PDT by NYRepublican72
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To: NYRepublican72
Just ignore that a separatist took responsibility, then renegged when he realized it was a commercial plane. Ignore that the missle was shot from territory not held by the Ukranians. Ignore the pictures of the launcher inside of rebel controlled territory.

We're instead supposed to believe an anonymous, unconfirmable source.

5 posted on 07/19/2014 6:33:32 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Renfield

Disinformation.

Old as the hills, too. Anybody on the trigger would know the jet was more than SIX MILES high.


6 posted on 07/19/2014 6:34:37 AM PDT by Flintlock (islam is a LIE, mohamuud a PEDOPHILE, sharia is POISON.)
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To: dirtboy

Of course.. Comrade Vladimir is a good, good man. He’s not ex-KGB or anything.


7 posted on 07/19/2014 6:35:43 AM PDT by NYRepublican72
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To: epluribus_2

” Our spy guys know what “

Yes but the White Hut narrative is that it will take months to evaluate that data. So, just pretend it didn’t happen.


8 posted on 07/19/2014 6:37:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: epluribus_2

our spy guys have not been getting the job done in the past few years - some major failures.


9 posted on 07/19/2014 6:43:56 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Renfield
A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

adn from there to the gulags in Siberia for deep interrogation and reprogramming of its thought processes, no doubt.

10 posted on 07/19/2014 6:43:57 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: NYRepublican72

That “separatist took responsibility” bit comes from a tweet that was reported in the western media to have come from a rebel leader, but in fact came from a web site that purports to support him. Be very careful about what you read in the mainstream media. We’re seeing a coordinated propaganda offensive here; at the very least our ruling elite is attempting to exploit this tragedy for its own gain.

Russia would have nothing to gain from such a ham-fisted move; and whatever you may think of his motives, Putin isn’t stupid enough to do sponsor such an act. At this point, the following possibilities strike me as most likely:

1) The shootdown was organized by U.S. intelligence (or some proxy) in order to embarrass Russia and turn international public opinion against Russia and its allies; or
2) Yulia Timoshenko, or persons allied to her, arranged the shootdown in order to embarrass the current Ukrainian president, with an eye to regaining the presidency.


11 posted on 07/19/2014 6:44:41 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

Although the overall assertion of this article is likely false, it lays out the pieces of the puzzle in a way that shows us the true perpetrators.

Ukrainian military flying side-by-side with the Malaysian airliner. Why offer the protection of an escort just to shoot it down?

Ukrainian separatists say at first they’ve shot down the jet, claiming it was a military aircraft.

Of course they thought it was a military aircraft. Just moments before, it was in formation with other military aircraft. Clearly, they were prepping the missile attack while the airliner was part of a formation of three jets, at least two of which were Ukrainian military.

Then, upon realizing that they’d murdered 300 innocent folks, they deny having anything to do with it.

This article actually confirms it was the Ukrainian rebels that committed this heinous act of mass murder. I have read that they couldn’t have done it without Russian technical support. This means that the creature Putin committed this act of mass murder.

Justice for Putin would come at the end of a rope.


12 posted on 07/19/2014 6:46:02 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Uncle Chip
"A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow."

All red/orange boxes, OTOH...


13 posted on 07/19/2014 6:56:57 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Renfield

> basing it on military sources in Kiev

IOW, total BS.


14 posted on 07/19/2014 7:00:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: sitetest

I think the story line would be that Ukrainian fighter jets intercepted the 777, forced it to divert and then escorted it to a point above the Russian missile base all the while giving the impression that the flight of three aircraft was military.

As soon as the flight was over the base and, the fighters bugged out and let the 777 get hit.

Nice try but who knows what the truth is anymore in that region


15 posted on 07/19/2014 7:02:24 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn
Dear rdcbn,

So... you're suggesting that the Russian excuse here is, “Those mean, bad, super-powerful Ukrainians FORCED us to murder 300 people!”

Okay. Putin can try that on for size, if he wants.


sitetest

16 posted on 07/19/2014 7:07:12 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Renfield

It’s hard to keep everything straight here...

Is it possible that the airliner was being escorted by Ukraine military jets to make it appear that it was a military plane to the folks on the ground? If so, the responsibility for this would lie with the Ukraine military.

Question... Is it normal procedure in that theater for an airliner to be escorted in this fashion?

Just saying, it could have been a setup...


17 posted on 07/19/2014 7:08:16 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: rdcbn
"Nice try but who knows what the truth is anymore in that region"

I don't believe anything about any subject that originates from any government.

18 posted on 07/19/2014 7:14:34 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: sitetest

I have no idea what is going on, but that seems to be the emerging story line and is a plausible explanation for why the 777 changed course and entered the airspace of a conflict zone.

Both Russia and Ukraine are populated by ex KGB types so disinformation and misdirection operations are a way of life.


19 posted on 07/19/2014 7:20:19 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: mosaicwolf
All you have to do to find the truth is:

1.) Follow the money.

2.) Ask cui bono. Who benefits?

In this case the only parties that benefited are the Globalists in the US/NATO and the Kiev junta.

20 posted on 07/19/2014 7:44:19 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Who benefits? In the end, tinfoil manufacturers.


21 posted on 07/19/2014 8:07:59 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Renfield

The tweet certainly makes it seem like the shoot-down was an ACCIDENT. The separatists boasted of shooting down a MILITARY TRANSPORT plane, which is much smaller than a 777, but has a similar shape and flies much lower (making it look much bigger than it is). If the military escorted the B777 to just the edge of the war zone, no wonder the separatists mistook it for the military transport.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 8:11:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: sitetest

Or tricked them into it. Or, most likely, acted in such an unbelievably stupid way as to simply make likely a terrible accident. Give a military escort to a plane right up to the edge of a war zone, and then disappear?


23 posted on 07/19/2014 8:13:12 AM PDT by dangus
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To: 1rudeboy

>> Who benefits? In the end, tinfoil manufacturers. <<

A.K.A. the aluminati.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 8:13:58 AM PDT by dangus
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To: 1rudeboy

This is a proven hoax. The “Air Traffic Controller” twitter account is deleted and Russian “news” websites have pulled the story from their websites.


25 posted on 07/19/2014 8:29:22 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Renfield

Why are you posting a known hoax in support of mass murdering Putin on a conservative website?


26 posted on 07/19/2014 8:31:32 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Count of Monte Fisto; All

You are giving us a good way to think about this horrific disaster.

When we consider the overall economic/political situation, and the currency wars, we have to pause and think about who profits from this?

Is Putin really that clueless, considering that many have described him as a master at geopolitical “chess”? How does he benefit from making such a miscalculation?

And, who is our present government aligned with in this conflict; how might they hope to profit from placing the blame on Putin/Russia?

How will Europe reacts, dependent as they are on Russia’s oil and gas, and economic trade?

I better go get another roll of Reynolds Wrap, because there is a possibility that this may not be Russia’s fault at all, but an effort by some in the west to fight back against Putin’s control over Europe, not to mention his new alliances with China and Saudi Arabia.

So, see what happens when we are lied to by our government, and our press no longer actually investigates independently of the “party line”?


27 posted on 07/19/2014 8:32:48 AM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
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To: All

Good background on this Putinist fairy tale:

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/07/18/malaysia-plane-shot-down-by-ukraine-claims-mysterious-spanish-air-traffic/


28 posted on 07/19/2014 8:37:39 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: jacquej
You are giving us a good way to think about this horrific disaster.

I would describe what happened as a "horrific crime", not just a "horrific disaster".

I better go get another roll of Reynolds Wrap, because there is a possibility that this may not be Russia’s fault at all...

Unnamed sources are BS.

29 posted on 07/19/2014 8:53:21 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: rdcbn
I think the story line would be that Ukrainian fighter jets intercepted the 777, forced it to divert and then escorted it to a point above the Russian missile base all the while giving the impression that the flight of three aircraft was military.

This report seems to contain a lot of speculation and unconfirmed claims, but the bit about having military jets close to the commercial airliners is supported by the videos showing chaff falling on the wreckage.

ALERT! 777 Shoot Down Video Shows CHAFF Was Deployed, Points to Fighter Jet Involvement

Think about it, if you were going to divert a commercial airliner through an area that had two military planes shot down, would you not at least be concerned and maybe send an escort ? Especially if they were diverted because of weather.

And the link I posted above also makes some conclusions that are speculations. That site usually runs 80 % correct in its speculations which is very good for a blogger.

30 posted on 07/19/2014 8:54:56 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: FreeReign

I could be way off, FreeReign. I often am.

But, the way I see it at the moment, I am not sure that the scenario being provided for our max consumption is correct.

And, you are right that this is a crime, if it was intentional.

If it was an accident, (fog of war, etc), then what do we call it - the beginning of WW3, perhaps?


31 posted on 07/19/2014 8:57:50 AM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
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To: lodi90
Why are you posting a known hoax in support of mass murdering Putin on a conservative website?

We went through a purge here of Putin supporters many years ago. What a Putin supporter would do is post a picture of a bowl of soup with a human eyeball floating in it. And BTW, the actions of the Putin Haters reminds me of the actions of the old Putin Lovers. Proof that in Europe there are only two sides to an issue. Nazi's and Communists. No middle ground.

32 posted on 07/19/2014 9:02:13 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: jacquej
What worries me is that they are not treating this like they treated the Ukraine accidental shoot down of a Russian commercial plane. Or the US accidentally shoot down of an Iranian civilian airliner. Why treat the situations differently ? They are assuming the rebels wanted to bring down a civilian plane, when previously the rebels had only shot down military planes.
33 posted on 07/19/2014 9:10:12 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape

What worries me is that they are not treating this like they treated the Ukraine accidental shoot down of a Russian commercial plane. Or the US accidentally shoot down of an Iranian civilian airliner. Why treat the situations differently ? They are assuming the rebels wanted to bring down a civilian plane, when previously the rebels had only shot down military planes.


The difference these 300 people just died because of Russia’s unlawful warfare on it’s neighbor. There are no accidents or do overs in unlawful warfare.


34 posted on 07/19/2014 9:24:04 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: justa-hairyape

Wow. That “chaff” must be a hundred feet long (or more), and maybe 30-50 feet wide.


35 posted on 07/19/2014 9:42:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: All

I’m confused.Did Fighter Jets fly along side the B777?


36 posted on 07/19/2014 9:48:23 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: jacquej

The 100th Anniversary War.


37 posted on 07/19/2014 9:49:33 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: fatima

The whole article is bogus. Just the usual Russian propaganda meant for muddying the waters and create doubt in people. The Spain Report magazine and latino.foxnews contacted Spanish embassy in Ukraine and this Carlos does not exist. More at the links.

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/07/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-military-shot-malaysian-airlines-mh17/

http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/3419”/>


38 posted on 07/19/2014 10:03:34 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: 1rudeboy

“Wow. That “chaff” must be a hundred feet long (or more), and maybe 30-50 feet wide.”

Yeah, it must be to jam the HF over-the-horizon (OTH) radars./sarc


39 posted on 07/19/2014 10:05:55 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: justa-hairyape
Bulls**t. Military chaff looks nothing like that. In fact, chaff dispenses in a CLOUD of small, thin wires (with each cut so as to reflect a different wavelength of radar). Anyone with a basic knowledge of physics can tell you that a piece of metal the size of the "chaff" in that video couldn't reflect the wavelengths necessary to jam a radar-guided missile. For example, this is actual chaff:

What that video shows is something like toilet paper or other debris. You are either completely ignorant about what you are posting, or you are a Russian shill...

40 posted on 07/19/2014 10:06:21 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: lodi90
The difference these 300 people just died because of Russia’s unlawful warfare on it’s neighbor. There are no accidents or do overs in unlawful warfare.

Unlawful war ? The Ukraine coup government declared the Russian language illegal. How could the 5 million ethnic Russian separatists declare lawful war when their language was illegal ?

41 posted on 07/19/2014 10:27:37 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Yeah right. Baseless remarks made to deflect. Sounds like chaff to me. That blogger has a history of being mostly correct. You have a history of being mostly chaff.


42 posted on 07/19/2014 10:30:19 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: fatima
I’m confused.Did Fighter Jets fly along side the B777?

You have a VIP flight, and that is what they call flights with 100 aids scientists on board, and you have to redirect them due to weather through an area where you just lost 2 military planes due to a rebellion. Of course they escorted the plane.

43 posted on 07/19/2014 10:32:57 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape

The Ukrainian government never passed any law declaring the Russian language illegal. This is a false claim perpetrated by the Russian government controlled media which has been used to stir up ethnic fear in eastern Ukraine. This false claim has been repeatedly refuted on FR. At this point, I find it shocking that anyone could be so misinformed as to believe this. So, are you a liar or just completely misinformed?


44 posted on 07/19/2014 10:35:14 AM PDT by Agog
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To: justa-hairyape

Your “mostly correct” blogger is being shown to be mostly an idiot, on this very thread.


45 posted on 07/19/2014 10:36:51 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
That that video shows is something like toilet paper or other debris. You are either completely ignorant about what you are posting, or you are a Russian shill...

Wrong. Was standing up to Putin during the invasion of Georgia. Right here. Where were you ? Was standing up to Putin during the Litvinenko right here. Where were you ?

Toilet paper falling down from 30,000 feet and staying intact ? You live in a fantasy world. It looks similar to your upper right image.

46 posted on 07/19/2014 10:40:39 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Your “mostly correct” blogger is being shown to be mostly an idiot, on this very thread.

By people who claim toilet paper can fall intact from 30,000 feet. Maybe in a fantasy land where there is no water vapor, wind shear or cloud moisture.

47 posted on 07/19/2014 10:45:34 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Unlawful war ? The Ukraine coup government declared the Russian language illegal.


That’s false. No Ukrainian govt has ever made the Russian language “illegal”. And if you knew anything about the long history Russia itself has of banning languages you would not be parroting that Kremlin propaganda.

It’s quiet instructive you are ok with Putin killing Americans in Ukraine. How about here?


48 posted on 07/19/2014 10:46:07 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: justa-hairyape

Dude, It’s not toilet paper. That fact doesn’t make it chaff. Get a grip.


49 posted on 07/19/2014 10:46:45 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Agog

The coup government stated they had intent to pass the law. They were actually quoted stating their intent. The fact that the entire situation blew up on them due to that intent, is their problem. Not mine.


50 posted on 07/19/2014 10:48:14 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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