Skip to comments.Cochran up big in general, McDaniel supporters still mad
Posted on 07/19/2014 10:26:38 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued
PPP's new Mississippi poll find Thad Cochran has a strong advantage for the general election- but that the fallout from last month's divisive runoff has left a lot of voters undecided. Cochran's at 40% to 24% for Democrat Travis Childers and 5% for Reform Party candidate Shawn O'Hara, with 31% of voters still undecided.
Cochran's emerged from the primary popular with Democrats (58/22 approval) and unpopular with Republicans (39/52). Cochran is particularly well liked by African Americans, sporting a 59/20 approval rating, and even narrowly leading Childers with them at 37/36. Cochran is only polling at 48% among GOP voters though with 37% still undecided, reflecting a lot of McDaniel supporters who are still so angry they can't bring themselves to say they'll vote for Cochran in November.
In general Mississippians think Cochran won the Republican runoff fair and square. 58% think he was the rightful winner to only 29% who believe McDaniel was, and 50% think McDaniel should concede to only 35% who believe he should keep on fighting. McDaniel voters are pretty unanimous in thinking he was done wrong though- 81% think he was the rightful winner of the runoff to just 10% who believe Cochran was. And they want him to keep on fighting- only 28% think he should concede to 63% that want him to keep on challenging the outcome of the election.
The protracted fight is having a pretty negative impact on McDaniel's image beyond his support base though. He now has a 29/53 favorability rating, and he actually trails Childers by a point in a hypothetical match up at 37/36, with the Reform Party candidate getting 4%. He may be hurting his ability to run successfully for office in the future.
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The GOPe disgusts AND wins. This is not good.
McDaniel should not give up.
PPP is a Team Romney Poll
— the same group that create the vote fraud.
I don’t buy that the Democrats are sticking with Cochran
There is no doubt that Cochran won the runoff via dirty pool and I don’t fault McDaniel for being angry. That being said, open runoffs are the law in Mississippi and contesting the results would be counter productive. As I pointed out to a fellow Freeper a while back and as Ann Coulter pointed out recently, McDaniel will be tainted as a sore loser if he doesn’t let this go. He can push for closed primaries, which wouldn be a good idea, but otherwise he needs to let this go.
Political historians on FR may recall the Alabama Democrat Gubenatorial runoff in 1986. In that runoff, conservative AG Charlie Graddick narrowly edged liberal LG Bill Baxley after appealing to voters who had voted in the Republican primary. Baxley appealed the decision to the state Supreme Court, who overturned the runoff. The state party named Baxley as the nominee, but he was tagged a sore loser and everyone was suprirsed when Guy Hunt won the general election, ruining Baxley’s once-promising career.
Incidentally, Graddick is now a Republican and a state judge.
PPP has been the most accurate poll the last two cycles and are usually QUITE accurate. I don’t care source. I car about results.
So. The numbers are probably accurate. We need to start screaming.
I’d be all for McDaniel’s challenge if I thought it would succeed, no matter how it made him look. But I can’t see that happening. I would appear the rat State Supreme Court violated the law on behalf of Baxley back in ‘86.
Conservatives in MS need to lobby HARD to close the primaries.
I support McDaniel 100%. This was fraud, pure and simple.
Did Ann Coulter write this under a pen name?
I am a McDaniel voter and I wasn’t him to press on to show what length the establishment will go to win dirty. If Cochran is on the ballot I am voting Childers. It is the only positive way to remove Cochran. Staying home and voting third party are not a way to get him out
“Cochran’s at 40%”
That is ‘up big’ for an incumbent?! Name a single incumbent going into the general election with that number. Its PATHETIC!
Vote for the Democrat. It is the only way to make it right. Regardless of the negatives of perhaps having a Democrat Senate, which are numerous, it is more important to reclaim the Republican party from the liberals in control.
It’s all very odd now, so many voters undecided and an incumbent Republican winning a big crossover vote but not polling well with voters of his own party and nearly 1/3 of the voters undecided. I don’t think I’ve seen it before. To paraphrase a Chinese proverb, we live in interesting times. I don’t see Travis Childers winning this, but if a lot of Republicans abstain in this race, who knows what’ll happen?
A near-loss for Cochran in the general would be a good shot across the bow for the establishment. It’s assumed by some that if Childers wins, he’ll be a one-term Senator. That’s been said about others before, most notably the late John Tower of Texas, who served for 24 years.
that was over 20 years ago things are totally different here..dirty campaigning
I hope Cochran loses. At this point, you have to say putting scum like that in is as bad as a Democrip.
On election day, the “new Republicans” will only know how to vote “Straight Democrat.”
It’s really neat that in MS, the Democrats have two of theirs in the November runoff. But the majority of voting Republicans... ? Nobody.
The fact that you had to, and did, reach back 30 years shows how out of touch you are.
Politics has changed a lot even in just the past 10 years, let alone 30.
It’s a microcosm of what is happening in the whole country: we now have a one party system. The UNIPARTY!
Cursed the political machine of the GOP... and still we are advised if we leave the party we’ll never win... I say, tell em all to go to hell, we are forming a third party!
Cochrans at 40%
That is up big for an incumbent?!
I agree, it’s a pathetic number for an incumbent. Wait until the DemocRAT political ads begin. When folks go into the voting booth in November, the folks who traditionally always vote DemocRAT will still do that and a significant chunk of folks who traditionally vote Republican will still do that BUT FOR THE SENATE RACE where rightfully angry conservatives will hold their noses and vote for Childers to send the GOP a message they need to receive.
GOPe fraud and corruption cannot be allow to succeed.
I’m not a tin foil hat kind of gal, but I can honestly perceive a plan where Cochran wins, then resigns (health reasons, ya know) and Barbour appoints himself or a place holder until a special election or the next regular election is held. Barbour would then keep control of the state party and be in the driver’s seat to be elected.
Cochran is showing the effects of his age. His errant wandering in the Capitol is pretty alarming.
McDaniel is not only fighting for this election. He’s taking on the whole corrupt, power hungry GOPe establishment in MS. Maybe he doesn’t care if he’s tainted goods and is willing to be a sacrificial lamb if it reveals the true colors of the Cochran/Barbour cabal and levels the playing field for the next real conservative who runs.
I’m disenchanted with the whole process at this point. According to Sabato, this will be the best year for incumbents in a long time. No matter what, scum get elected.
Karl Rove got all his crud candidates in North Carolina and Oklahoma and Georgia ad infinitum. I am excited about exactly ZERO new senate candidates except perhaps Ben Sasse, and maybe Ernst in Iowa is okay.
I have no incentive to do anything this year. Repukes are going to lose again, I can see it now.
If 58% of Mississippians think Cochran won that despicable primary fair and square, then 58% of Mississippians are dumb as a box of rocks.
John Tower was a 35-year old Conservative (younger even than Ted Cruz) when he won the special election to succeed the liberal LBJ over an old (62) Tory Democrat seatwarmer named Dollar Bill Blakley. He was certainly in line with the ideological lean of Texas voters and at the vanguard of the state’s eventual realignment to the GOP.
Travis Childers was a 50-year old Democrat fluke running in a Republican district where the special election nominee, Greg Davis, was a creepy closeted homosexual RINO (who also turned out to be a criminal, sentenced just this month to prison for 2 1/2 years). Had the nominee been the choice of the base, ex-Tupelo Mayor Glenn McCullough, Childers would’ve lost. Now Childers is 56, certainly in no likely position to embark on a career in the Senate that would take him to 80 years of age (Tower was all of 60 when he wrapped up his 24 years in the Senate). His election would similarly be a fluke, based entirely on the corruption of the incumbent and his fitness for office, not an affirmation of a return to the Democrat party after MS’s realignment to the GOP.
Bryant is supposed to appoint Gregg Harper after Thad retires in a couple
Very reminiscent of Illinois with its corrupt Combine. In that state, you’re either “in” (pro-Combine) or “out” (anti-Combine reformist). The party labels themselves tell you nothing. Sen. Durbin (D), Sen. Kirk (RINO), Gov. Quinn (D), Quinn’s RINO opponent in November, Bruce Rauner, & even Emperor Zero, all Combiners. Elections are fixed and stolen on behalf of Combiners, regardless of party label.
Barbour isn’t Governor anymore (Phil Bryant is), but he’s chin-deep in the fraud surrounding this race.
If Cochran is only at 40%, he is in serious trouble.
It’s all so obvious to us now, but this has been going on for years, under the radar, unreported by the govt propagandists. I fear it is too late now. We lost everything our forefathers built. I’m so angry about it and yet so sad for our beloved country. It’s just hard to believe there are people that hate this beautiful country so much that they worked for decades to destroy it.
It’s all about power and control. Their morals and ethics are as far afield from the Founders as imaginable. Today, these politicians will cling to it until they are senile, dead, or can install their flunkies to perpetuate their power after they’ve “retired.” Long ago, most of the Founders realized the dangers of such power and would give it up voluntarily, lest they become the very corruption they railed against in the first place.
One thing is quite clear: the Tree of Liberty cannot possibly be more parched than it is now (and yet, it will become even drier before real action is taken).
I don’t either. They won’t be getting money or promises this time around!!!!
I totally disagree. I'm not a political scholar or historical buff but I personally think it's worth any price to fight the fraud.
This crap about someone's political future if they fight is why we're in the mess we're in. Just like they talked Coleman into conceding and Franken giving us Obamacare, nothing good can come from putting one's own political future above the will of the people and integrity of elections.
Never give up, Chris!
How is it odd that so many are undecided? You dump and rain on the
same voters you need in the general election and this is what you get.
A large portion of MS conservatives on the fence on if they will sit it out
or vote for Childers.
BTW 40% is not a ringing endorsement for Cochran.
Spread your nonsense elsewhere.
PPP is a Democrat polling organization. Naturally, they would back Cochran.
Can you imagine that senile old goat heading the Appropriations Committee in the next Senate? The Dems know they will have the keys to the vault with that incompetent running the bank.
I said this in an earlier thread and I’ll repeat it:
Forget vote fraud, forget race-baiting ads, forget Cochrans refusal to debate McDaniel (if in fact hes still capable of speaking w/out a handler). The Republican primary was so Republicans could choose their representative in the November elections. The operative word here is Republicans. After he trailed McDaniel June 3 he begged the state Democrats to save his political butt. God only know what deal he cut to get their support, but get it he did. His democrat allies came to his rescue, and it is to them he now owes much.
Bottom line-our Republican candidate was chosen by Democrats with the blessings of the RNC. If it had been Republicans alone making the choice McDaniel wouldve won. Period. The actions of Cochran and the RNC make a mockery of the word representative, and I will NOT go along with this blatant theft. As for those who think this is sour grapes just remember, if the poker game is crooked, it doesnt matter if it’s the only game in town, you get out of it. And thats just what Im doing this Fall...
The only way we will have an honest government is to see this matter through and be willing to do it again and again.
Folks....PPP is a liberal, left-wing Democrat pollster that is never right. They rig the early polls...and then two or three days before the general....they come in with an severly amended poll. They are not honest or honorable folks!!! Like Obama....they lie...100% of the time!!!
31% undecided (and presumably as mad as a wet hen) is not good for Thad Cochran. They may not vote for the 'rat, but will they show up to vote for Cochran in November?
“Id be all for McDaniels challenge if I thought it would succeed, no matter how it made him look. But I cant see that happening”
McDaniel’s challenge certainly won’t succeed if he drops it. He needs to see it through. I’m in Mississippi and I agree we need closed primaries.
I’m a lifetime Republican voting for 50 years, never missed an election, primary or runoff and NEVER voted for a democrat. I will NOT vote for thad or the travis, democrat.
One interesting thing that came out of the recent press conference, but didn’t seem to receive much attention, was where they said that it’s possible that the fraud in the original Jun 3rd primary kept McDaniel from winning outright.
I’m assuming that would have to be in the absentee ballot count somehow, since they didn’t have the issue of ineligible Dems voting in that one.
I agree with you that McDaniel should continue to press his case, as long as he’s convinced he has one.
I’m also not surprised to see the high support for Cochran from blacks, given that they’ve just been deluged with ads and encouragement to vote for him. I doubt they’ll be getting that same advice for the general election though.
And finally, what do you want to bet that the farm animals that Cochran admitted to playing with get upgraded from chickens to goats, cows and horses once he’s running against Childers.
What’s the scoop on the Reform Party candidate? Is he a viable option?
What is your best guess as to turnout in Nov. if the race stays as is and it is Cochran
on the ticket? I looked at the last two Senate races, Wicker in 12 and Cochran in 08
and the general election saw over 1.2 million votes in each. Granted they were presidential
years and thus a stronger draw I’d assume.
Wicker got a little over 700,000 votes or 57.14% in 12. In his special election in 08 he
got just under 700,ooo or 54.96%. On the same ballot in 08 Cochran got over 760,000 votes or 61.44%.
It seems the turnout is much larger in the general elections but there was a governor’s
on the ballot in each of those years. Do you have any feel for the situation this
time as to turnout, etc.?
“Whats the scoop on the Reform Party candidate? Is he a viable option?”
I would say he or his party is not a viable option, I can’t think of his name, he has run on the reform ticket before I don’t believe he has hit the 4% the article is showing him with and would doubt he will do it this year. I expect a concerted effort for a “write in” which in reality would be no more than a protest, I will participate, but this effort will probably capture protest votes that would have gone to the reform party. Of course this is only an opinion.
“McDaniel is not only fighting for this election. Hes taking on the whole corrupt, power hungry GOPe establishment in MS. Maybe he doesnt care if hes tainted goods and is willing to be a sacrificial lamb if it reveals the true colors of the Cochran/Barbour cabal and levels the playing field for the next real conservative who runs.”
I agree wholeheartedly. McDaniel is fighting a fight that must be fought if this is ever to be stopped. And even if the courts shut him down, he has already done an immeasurable amount of good by shining the light of day on Barbour, McConnell, Cochran, and the rest of these cockroaches.
God bless Chris McDaniel.
I don’t really know. I believe this fiasco caused by the cochran camp, including the NRSC, will encourage the democrats and they will spend a lot of money now believing they may be able to pick up what had been a safe Republican senate seat. I have heard of a few who have talked about voting for the democrat and many who are talking either not voting in the race or writing in. It’s to soon for me to predict, I need to see if there’s an organized effort for a “write in”. I will not vote for a democrat or cochran.
Thanks for your reply. I agree it’s too early yet as there is still a lot of water to flow
under the bridge, imo. What is the thinking with the ‘write in’ voting? It’s not
a legal vote as there is no write in candidate as I understand the situation. So is
it a form of protest voting?