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Hamas Fighters Slip Through Tunnels, Killing 2 Israeli Troops
The New York Times ^ | July 19, 2014 | Anne Barnard and Jodi Rudoren

Posted on 07/19/2014 10:56:26 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

GAZA CITY — Even as Israeli forces pushed deeper into the Gaza Strip, unleashing intense artillery fire as they moved to demolish militants’ tunnels into Israel, several Hamas fighters slipped through one of the passages on Saturday and killed two Israeli soldiers on patrol before being driven back, the Israeli military said.

The infiltration, the second in three days, was the latest indication that the tunnel network from Gaza into Israel is far more extensive than previously publicly known. The attack seemed to send a message that Hamas was undeterred in its efforts to launch assaults on Israel, and it could spur a new escalation: Israel cited an earlier infiltration on Thursday as the immediate catalyst for its ground invasion of Gaza.

The military said the infiltrators on Saturday had planned “a lethal attack” in a nearby community, but did not name the town. Hamas media also reported that fighters had “crossed enemy lines” and engaged Israeli forces....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; israel; palestinians
Israel has thousands of nuclear and thermonuclear weapons, so their restraint is a marvel to behold.
1 posted on 07/19/2014 10:56:26 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is an example of why Israel must totally rip Hamas out of the Gaza, take over the land and establish police control.
2 posted on 07/19/2014 11:03:33 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hamas fighters? It’s Hamas Terrorists, they wear no uniform.


3 posted on 07/19/2014 11:07:25 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Clear the tunnels the same way you get rid of moles - pump gas in the tunnels. Even if it is only tear gas. (What? You thought I was going to suggest sarin or mustard gas?)

Of course, somebody would holler that is unfair under the Geneva Rules, and bring a huge human rights violation against the Israelis.


4 posted on 07/19/2014 11:08:37 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people become who they promised they would never be.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Muzz slithering like rats in their tunnels. The analogy is perfect.


5 posted on 07/19/2014 11:08:43 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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Here’s a running account of news reports related to these recent events with Israel and Hamas. If you want to catch up on the news accounts ... they are here ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/stisraelhamas/index?tab=articles

It’s listed from newest to oldest, so go to the bottom to start.


6 posted on 07/19/2014 11:10:14 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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8 posted on 07/19/2014 11:13:22 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: alloysteel

Propane


9 posted on 07/19/2014 11:17:42 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: alloysteel

no,105 octane.


10 posted on 07/19/2014 11:23:37 AM PDT by old gringo
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To: Star Traveler

tHIS IS LIVE:

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11 posted on 07/19/2014 11:26:22 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Logical me

Agree 100%.


12 posted on 07/19/2014 11:41:41 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: alloysteel

Along with the gas you can put in industrial smoke bombs and put high volume fans to push it into the tunnels then watch where it comes out. Or a type of gas that can only be seen with special goggles or cameras.


13 posted on 07/19/2014 11:45:05 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of a son with Down Syndrome and fighting to keep him off Obama's death panels.)
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To: bunkerhill7

I looked, but I couldn’t tell what it was that I was seeing ...


14 posted on 07/19/2014 11:46:47 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The left considers these Hamas terrorists “Freedom fighters” the left would go fight shoulder to shoulder with Hamas if they could..God Bless these brave soldiers..my heart breaks every time I hear that one has died..these tunnels must be destroyed, every single one of them


15 posted on 07/19/2014 11:49:37 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Occupy all of Gaza and exterminate the Hamas vermin one by one.


16 posted on 07/19/2014 11:55:22 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When/if Tel Aviv is burning and bodies are stacked 3 deep in the streets and Islamic flags fly over all of Israel, they will use nuclear weapons.

Until then, they will not for the simple reason that is would be suicidal given the proximity of their enemies.

17 posted on 07/19/2014 11:56:37 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The gaza terrorist cesspool needs to be eliminated once and for all. These scum have proven over and over again their (absolutely satanic) murderous intentions.


18 posted on 07/19/2014 11:57:21 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

When Golda Meier was Prime Minister and Israel was thrown back on their heels initially (Yom Kippur War), it looked like the Syrians were going to break through with their tanks, coming down from the Golan Heights. Since it looked like it was DEFINITELY going to happen, and Israel would be LOST as a result, Golda Meier gave the order to pull out the nuclear weapons and use them on the capital cities of the attacking countries. Israel got them out and ready to use on the ARAB countries, at the point “all was lost”.

HOWEVER, as it turned out, one reservist in a tank held off the column of Syrian tanks coming down from the Golan Heights, which was a total miracle in and of itself and should have been IMPOSSIBLE for that one tank to do. He held them off long enough for the other reserves to get there, and then they turned the tide against the Syrians.

With that, and the country “not lost” at that point, Israel put away their nuclear weapons.

NOW ... if I remember the story right, that one reservist was in the shower when he had to run for his tank. He didn’t even bother getting his clothes on, but ran out NAKED to his tank and headed straight for the Syrian column of tanks and fought them while he was naked in the tank ... LOL ...


19 posted on 07/19/2014 12:12:25 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The bearded savages have been putting in a tremendous amount of time and energy building those tunnels. If they had spent the same amount working hard and studying something other than their violent handbook they might amount to something in the world.


20 posted on 07/19/2014 12:12:51 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: alloysteel

Tear gas is not unfair under the Geneva Conventions; if I recall correctly, it’s permissible.


21 posted on 07/19/2014 12:17:24 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: bunkerhill7

They be whipping up on them bad boys.

You can see the arty flashes and missile strikes and flares and you can hear the drones buzzing around.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 12:49:38 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Not suicidal, they have tactical weapons capable of wiping out entire armies with no harm to theselves.


23 posted on 07/19/2014 1:10:23 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Israel probably has 200 fission nuclear weapons. No fusion (thermonuclear) weapons, as they are much more expensive and difficult, and they have no enemies big enough to need one.

This being said, what they need in this case are thermobaric or fuel air explosives. Much like killing gophers in a hole, you spray a lot of propane gas into a tunnel, then toss in a hand grenade. First, there is a massive overpressure, as all the air inside the tunnel is combusted, then the ceiling and walls collapse.

In their place, I would get a heavy vehicle with a large propane tank strongly secured horizontally in the back, with a quick release pressure valve. Spray it down the hole (propane is heavier than air), until about 10 pounds of gas are down there. Then move away from the tunnel entrance and pitch in the grenade. Pop.

If there is equipment or weapons down there that have to be destroyed, you use a thermobaric weapon to raise the tunnel temperature to perhaps 800-1000F for some seconds.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 1:17:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are tools that use sound waves, I think, to detect fault lines over a wide area underground. They might detect tunnels too.


25 posted on 07/19/2014 1:35:59 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I know for a fact that they have both and in the numbers I stated earlier. Their SLBMs are nuclear but they have the big boys, joining the elite club of only about half a dozen nations.


26 posted on 07/19/2014 3:54:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Things change. I don’t suppose I am particularly surprised. At some point Israel probably considered that one of the “power players” in the world would try and blackmail them to surrender their nukes. But that might only work if they had fission weapons. Everybody is intimidated by fusion weapons.


27 posted on 07/19/2014 7:16:13 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: alloysteel

I have no problem suggesting sarin or VX or mustard. None whatsoever.


28 posted on 07/19/2014 7:17:55 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

As you probably already know the “trigger” for an “H-Bomb” is an “A-Bomb” located inside. Two or three more “Tsar Bomba” size tests and we’d all probably be dead.


29 posted on 07/19/2014 7:21:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Lurker; alloysteel

Isn’t “roach spray” just essentially very watered-down VX? How appropriate.


30 posted on 07/19/2014 7:23:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: alloysteel

How about carbon monoxide? Odorless, tasteless, deadly...


31 posted on 07/19/2014 7:26:49 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Twists and turn to that one. Tsar Bomba was designed to be 100mt, but was modified to be between 50-58mt. And almost its entire force was from fusion, so it made very little fallout, especially being detonated at about 4km as an air burst.

So, if it was popped at full force in a ground burst, it would be far more dirty and dangerous, but it is still questionable that three of them could wipe out mankind.


32 posted on 07/19/2014 7:56:50 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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