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MH17: British families say 'Russian gangsters killed our loved ones'
The Telegraph ^ | July 18, 2014 | Gordon Rayner, Keith Perry and Martin Evans

Posted on 07/19/2014 12:28:43 PM PDT by free_life

The families of some of the 10 British victims of flight MH17 angrily accused “Russian gangsters” of killing their loved ones in an “act of war”, as evidence mounted that a missile supplied by Moscow brought down the Malaysia Airlines flight.

Grieving relations also demanded that the airline and the aviation authorities explain why the Boeing 777, with 298 people on board, was allowed to fly over a war zone where three military aircraft had been shot down in the previous four days.

Among the Britons killed in Thursday’s disaster in Ukraine were two undergraduates on their way to Australia, two Newcastle United fans travelling to watch the team play in New Zealand, a United Nations worker and a former RAF technician.

Ukraine said 80 children died, including three babies, together with around 100 experts in HIV/Aids who were on their way to a conference in Melbourne.

President Barack Obama said yesterday that he was certain that MH17 had been shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: mh17; putinthemurderer; russia; waronterror
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To: free_life
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02980/malaysia_brits02_2980082b.jpg> Clockwise: John Alder, Cameron Dalziel, Richard Mayne, Liam Sweeney, Thomas Glenn, Stephen Anderson, Ben Pocock
2 posted on 07/19/2014 12:31:05 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life
together with around 100 experts in HIV/Aids who were on their way to a conference in Melbourne.

ABC News this morning said that there were only 6 -- not 100.

3 posted on 07/19/2014 12:32:25 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: free_life
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Clockwise: John Alder, Cameron Dalziel, Richard Mayne, Liam Sweeney, Thomas Glenn, Stephen Anderson, Ben Pocock

I know, preview is my friend.

4 posted on 07/19/2014 12:33:04 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

“Grieving relations also demanded that the airline and the aviation authorities explain why the Boeing 777, with 298 people on board, was allowed to fly over a war zone where three military aircraft had been shot down in the previous four days”

Address that question to Ukrainian air traffic control


5 posted on 07/19/2014 12:36:29 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Uncle Chip

I just did a quick search, US and Australian media are using 6 and British media a 100....?


6 posted on 07/19/2014 12:36:30 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life
why the Boeing 777, with 298 people on board, was allowed to fly over a war zone

The question should be:

why was Russia arming insurgents along an international commercial flight route that included Russia itself with SAMs capable of taking down commercial jets.

7 posted on 07/19/2014 12:40:46 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Viennacon

Ukrainian Air Traffic Control should have warned off this one plane even though hundreds of other flights that day and thousands of other flights in previous days from dozens of countries were given flight paths over the same air space? Right asshat!


8 posted on 07/19/2014 12:41:35 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

6 is a long way from 100

Australian media would know — the Brits are a little slow.


9 posted on 07/19/2014 12:42:35 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: free_life

my Russian friend said this is no small piece of equipment (there are three separate parts and vehicles) and you have to be an expert to run it.


10 posted on 07/19/2014 12:44:36 PM PDT by applpie
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To: free_life

... none of those planes should have been given passage over that airspace either, asshat.

You would have to be a moron to think its smart to let commercial jets fly over an area where you had military aircraft shot down just days earlier.


11 posted on 07/19/2014 12:49:23 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: free_life

“Ukrainian Air Traffic Control should have warned off this one plane even though hundreds of other flights that day and thousands of other flights in previous days from dozens of countries were given flight paths over the same air space? Right asshat!”

Two days after another aircraft was shot down by an AA missile in the same area??
You seem to be the asshat here, throwing around insults like that...


12 posted on 07/19/2014 1:00:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Have you reserved a seat at the War Crimes Trial yet, GRU agent 000?


14 posted on 07/19/2014 1:05:37 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

From the Malaysian transport minister - this time about the safety of the route:

Quote Some 400 commercial flights, including 150 international flights crossed eastern Ukraine daily before the crash. Officials from Eurocontrol also stated that in the two days before the incident, 75 different airlines flew the same route as MH17.

MH17’s flight path was a busy major airway, like a highway in the sky. It followed a route which was set out by the international aviation authorities, approved by Eurocontrol, and used by hundreds of other aircraft. It flew at an altitude set, and deemed safe, by the local air traffic control. And it never strayed into restricted airspace.


15 posted on 07/19/2014 1:08:21 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

The government of Ukraine officially states that the terrorists, with the help of Russia, are trying to destroy evidence of international crimes.

According to government data, the terrorists have taken 38 bodies to the morgue in (the eastern city of) Donetsk.

It accused specialists with “strong Russian accents” of threatening to carry out their own autopsies.


16 posted on 07/19/2014 1:11:47 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: tcrlaf

Blaming this shootdown on the airline is like blaming a woman for being raped, or the victim for being looted —


17 posted on 07/19/2014 1:12:29 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: free_life

You really got a couple of putya’s trolls barking with their panties in a twist. We even got treated to putin’s talking points about Ukraine. The troll forgot to include in the talking points that the Ukrainians are pro-gay and hate Jews. s/


20 posted on 07/19/2014 1:20:58 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks; free_life

Yep — trclaf is history


21 posted on 07/19/2014 1:31:12 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

This reminds me of Putin’s mouthpiece at the UN, Churkin (whose daughter, by the way, works for RT). At Friday’s UN Security Council meeting, he spoke of the need for a thorough investigation, but then stated that everything is Ukraine’s fault. No acceptance of responsibility, no repentance, and absolutely no shame. It was a truly disgusting performance.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 1:32:28 PM PDT by Agog
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

LOL


23 posted on 07/19/2014 1:38:54 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Must have tracked his ip address back to GRU headquarters.

Gee think I peed him off a little....grin?


24 posted on 07/19/2014 1:41:20 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Viennacon
You would have to be a moron to think its smart to let commercial jets fly over an area where you had military aircraft shot down just days earlier.

There is not hardly a damn place flying in this globe that is safe. Common decency is to not target civilian aircraft and these damn rotten communists knew that 100's of flights from many countries use this pattern. They knew they were killing civil aircraft at the 32,000 standard flight path. Don't be so dumb. Typical of Russia, they don't give a shi!.

25 posted on 07/19/2014 1:44:12 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Uncle Chip

Now on to the other half a dozen of KGB/GRU sleepers...


26 posted on 07/19/2014 1:45:51 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: Agog

BTW, in March of this year there was an article by one of the very prominent Russian orientalists, Georgy Mirskiy, titled something like “In the history of mankind, there hasn’t been a more deceitful system, than the Russian.” He goes on to detail all the lies and fabrications of the Soviet/Russian government just in his life time, starting with Stalin’s attack on Finland in 1939. Have a link to it but it’s in Russian only.


27 posted on 07/19/2014 1:54:36 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

Amen! From your keypad to Mods ejection button.


28 posted on 07/19/2014 1:56:16 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

This is the problem battle fields are seldome static


29 posted on 07/19/2014 2:00:26 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ…)
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To: Logical me

I also read those BUK systems pick up the identifier pings all passenger planes have so they don’t shoot them by accident. So I don’t know what to guess on that, they fired anyways “cause it had spies on it” as the rebels claimed or it was planned shoot down to blame on Ukrainians and it backfired on the Ruskies. ??


30 posted on 07/19/2014 2:01:15 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

I have that picture in my mind, of a FSB troll, sitting in he basement of Lubyanka, pecking on a keyboard, trying to earn vodka money...


31 posted on 07/19/2014 2:03:18 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: free_life

Or maybe Putin wants the area cleared of all aircraft for an soon to be mounted larger invasion with complete air control. Doubtful the Ukraine Air Force would last long in such an invasion. Evil times.


32 posted on 07/19/2014 2:06:59 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

I asked him a couple of times plainly, he never denied it. He spoke Russian and sometimes seemed to deliver the Russian propaganda quicker than their official sources.

If he is an agent he will be at lots of other sites under other ID’s.


33 posted on 07/19/2014 2:11:35 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

Some months ago I said here that Vladimir Putin was a murdering ex-KGB thug and caught some flack for it. I retract that accusation. Vladimir Putin is a mass murdering ex-KGB` thug. Though he didn’t shoot the missile himself he ordered it done. This whole Ukrainian business has been orchestrated by him. He and his cohorts who once served the Russian Communist Party are past masters of the fifth column and fomenting unrest in territories the Russian bear has cast it’s hungry eyes at. NOTHING happens in that part of the world without Putin’s say so. NOTHING!!


34 posted on 07/19/2014 2:12:49 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: Agog

“Churkin’’. Interesting name. The word ‘’churka’’ in Russian means ‘’wood chip’’ or some one who isn’t important, a nobody.


35 posted on 07/19/2014 2:15:11 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: jmacusa
Putin ordered the commercial plane shot down? Proof please beside "we know he is a bad guy". It makes no sense for him to intentionally kill European civilans. None.

What is the harm in finding out the truth first?
36 posted on 07/19/2014 2:18:42 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: free_life

No, Putin did.


Putin is to blame for Flight 17's Destruction
37 posted on 07/19/2014 2:20:52 PM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: jmacusa

You can say that again. That same old stuff has been the Russian state’s policy since Ivan the Terrible, at least. During his reign they came up with the idea that Russia was the Third Rome.


38 posted on 07/19/2014 2:21:54 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: over3Owithabrain
Proof? The guys giving the separatists weapons. He's planted cells in Ukraine to foment revolt. In the pursuit of his goals do you think Putin gives a hoot who gets killed? He could have stopped all of this anytime he wanted. Better yet, if we had a real president in this country he would have been far less willing to start this bloody business in the first place. Can you prove other wise?
39 posted on 07/19/2014 2:27:51 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: over3Owithabrain
It makes no sense for him to intentionally kill European civilans.

Sure it does -- he is punishing the Europeans for sanctions against him.

As a result of this shootdown by surrogates armed and controlled by him he has shut down the entire east-west commercial airline corridor over Ukraine causing havoc in the skies over the remaining corridors, and costing carriers time and money.

40 posted on 07/19/2014 2:29:50 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

That’s a theory and plausible. However, If Putin is shrewd enough to do that he would also see the risk/reward of such an intentional stunt.


41 posted on 07/19/2014 2:33:07 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: jmacusa

I’m not trying to prove Putin is a good guy. He’s not. That doesn’t prove he willfully ordered a hit on a civilian plane as you allege.


42 posted on 07/19/2014 2:35:36 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain
The MSM and all their backers hide the truth! Putin would gain nothing from shooting down that civilian airliner what you are led to believe is to cover the real truth.

However the “spinners” are doing a good job making it look like he did.

Money will flow toward the Muslim side in boat loads and this was the intent. Lack of common sense covers about 80% of the coverage being spouted 24/7.

43 posted on 07/19/2014 2:46:31 PM PDT by tiger63
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To: jmacusa

You are correct in every word of that post, we need more who see through this Ruskie smoke and mirrors.


44 posted on 07/19/2014 2:49:03 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

Glad someone sees it as I do. Vladimir Putin is the penultimate product of the system that trained him and the system he once served. He was raised in an atheistic society that in it’s own pre-Communist days was hard, ruthless, harsh and unforgiving. And when it came to politics and those seeking power one misstep, a spurious accusation, a trust betrayed or bad alliance would get one killed outright or thrown in a hole and forgotten about.And as bad as Ivan The Terrible was he was a piker compared to the millions of Russians Stalin killed. The Russian political system, past and present didn’t and doesn’t do ‘’touchy feely lets have a group hug’’ stuff. Consider that in America we use special interest groups and lobbyists to advance a politicians agenda or influence legislation. In Russia members of the Duma, the Russian parliament, have their own ‘’sports clubs’’. The sport they engage in is beating up the other guys sport club.


45 posted on 07/19/2014 2:50:29 PM PDT by jmacusa
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Putin would gain nothing from shooting down that civilian airliner

Really!!!

Has international commercial air traffic over Ukraine linking Europe and the Far East now been rerouted???

I rest my case.

46 posted on 07/19/2014 2:53:26 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: over3Owithabrain

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but take a good hard look at who and what Putin is. And then look over the long and bloody history of Russia and of those who would be czar or party chairman .When any Russian wants to be that power the ends do justify the means. What’s a few hundred dead or thousands or for that matter millions? Human life isn’t cheap in Russia, it’s worthless. Sometime ago Putin lamented the end of communism and spoke of wanting to be that kind of country again and that means taking back the Ukraine.


47 posted on 07/19/2014 3:02:39 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: Uncle Chip
The question should be - why Kiev Junta fired up SAM battery radar just before MH17 arrived on rescheduled route overhead.

Both Pentagon and Junta admitted rebels do not have operational SAM able to shoot down airliners at 33000ft.

I know, hard question for Saturday afternoon.

48 posted on 07/19/2014 3:06:21 PM PDT by DTA
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I know, hard question for Saturday afternoon.

especially when you have spent all morning looting the MH17 crash site.

49 posted on 07/19/2014 3:11:34 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: free_life

The trouble in finding the truth of anything Russian is it’s difficult to pierce the xenophobic Russian mind set. No Russian will believe what he reads or hears or even sees. He’ll only believe what another Russian tells him. Think of that little Russian doll, I believe it’s called a ‘’kuchina’’. One big one on the outside and as you lift that one in descending order they get smaller and smaller until you’re right back to where you started.


50 posted on 07/19/2014 3:13:08 PM PDT by jmacusa
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