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‘No provocation, no excuses’: PM lashes Russia over downing of Malaysia Airlines plane
heraldsun.com.au ^ | July 19, 2014 | ELLEN WHINNETT

Posted on 07/19/2014 2:00:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has attacked Russia over the tragedy in Ukraine, stopping just short of accusing Moscow of involvement in the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.

In comments which go further than those of other world leaders, an angry Mr Abbott said Russia should not be able to stand in the way of a full, independent investigation.

“I want to stress that Australia takes a very dim view of countries which are facilitating the killing of Australian citizens,’’ he said.

“I want to say to the Australian people that as far as I am concerned, when you have a situation where Russian-backed rebels appear to have killed Australians using — it may well turn out to be — Russian-supplied heavy weaponry, Australia takes a very dim view indeed, and we want the fullest possible investigation.’’

Mr Abbott said any country found to have supplied such sophisticated weaponry to those behind the attacks should “feel a sense of shame.”

Hinting that Russian President Vladimir Putin might not be welcome at the G20 meeting of world leaders in Australia in November, Mr Abbott said it was vital that Russia co-operate completely with any international investigation.

“No provocation, no excuses, no blame-shifting, no protecting of people who may be backed by Russia but who may have been involved in this terrible event,’’ he said, adding that questions about whether Mr Putin was welcome as G20 were “very fair questions.’’

The Government has assigned a team of consular officials to assist the grieving families of the MH17 victims, and the Australian Federal Police and other officials are heading to the Ukrainian capital Kiev.

Flags will fly at half-mast today across Australian Government sites here and overseas, and a church service, attended by the Prime Minister and Governor-General Sir Peter Cosgrove, will be held tomorrow in Sydney.

A national commemorative service and day of mourning will be held on a date yet to be determined.

The horrific downing of MH17 has focused world attention on the tense situation in Ukraine, parts of which have been taken over by pro-Russian separatists, who have been shooting planes from the sky for several months.

The Government yesterday convened a meeting of the National Security Committee, and Russia’s Ambassador to Australia, Vladimir Morozov, was summoned to a meeting with Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.

Mr Abbott later criticising the ambassador for seeking to blame Ukraine for the disaster.

“I have to say that is deeply, deeply unsatisfactory. The idea that Russia can somehow say it’s nothing to do with them because it happened in Ukrainian airspace frankly does not stand up to any serious scrutiny,’’ he said.

The United Nations Security Council had called an urgent meeting overnight to discuss the global response to the tragedy, which Mr Abbott said was a crime and not an accident.

“If so, the perpetrators must be brought to justice,’’ he told Parliament.

“Australia will be working at the United Nations Security Council for a binding resolution calling for a full and impartial investigation with full access to the site, with full access to the debris, with full access to the black box, and with full access to all individuals who might be in a position to shed light on this terrible event.’’

United States President Barack Obama said the “world is watching’’ the situation in Ukraine.

He had imposed broad economic sanctions on Russia just 24 hours before the strike on MH17, and was on the phone to Mr Putin when word of the attack came in.

Mr Putin sought to blame Ukraine for the tragedy, saying the “state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility for this awful tragedy.’’

He said the MH17 crash was “an absolutely unacceptable thing’’ and pledged the help of the Russian Government and civilian agencies to investigate — an offer deemed unsatisfactory by Mr Abbott.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said those on board the flight had been murdered, and he pledged bipartisan support as the Government worked towards an investigation.

“The missile that brought down MH17 — and the missiles that have claimed numerous other Ukrainian aircraft — could not possibly have been made by the people who possibly fired them,’’ he said.

“These separatist terrorists are obtaining these instruments for murder from elsewhere. This must be investigated and it must be stopped.’’


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine

1 posted on 07/19/2014 2:00:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I wish more countries had leaders like Abbott.


2 posted on 07/19/2014 2:03:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

The talk is tough but filled with “possibly” and “if it turns out”. The truth is we can all speculate but we don’t know why or how it happened yet. Talk is just posturing.


3 posted on 07/19/2014 2:13:37 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ukrainians dared have a country.


4 posted on 07/19/2014 2:13:45 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (World Cup 2014 Final: Germany 1 Argentina 0)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Abbott is keeping his promises, even turning back ships full of refugees (illegal aliens)


5 posted on 07/19/2014 2:23:14 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: over3Owithabrain; MinuteGal

“The truth is we can all speculate but we don’t know why or how it happened yet. Talk is just posturing.”

You’ve got to be kidding.


6 posted on 07/19/2014 2:27:10 PM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: over3Owithabrain
"The truth is we can all speculate but we don’t know why or how it happened yet."

Are you kidding?

7 posted on 07/19/2014 2:30:02 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Discarded fetuses for power? Hitler may have lost the battle, but he won the war.")
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To: flaglady47

No I’m not. If you have the definitive proof please show the world. Or maybe you’re “kidding”.


8 posted on 07/19/2014 2:30:22 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: flaglady47

Oops...sorry, saw his post and just immediately hit “reply”...lol


9 posted on 07/19/2014 2:31:18 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Discarded fetuses for power? Hitler may have lost the battle, but he won the war.")
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To: over3Owithabrain
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/07/19/pro-russian-separatists-destroying-evidence-of-plane-shootdown/

If it WASN'T shot down, why the cover-up?

Kinda' difficult to live in a bubble on this, isn't it, over?

10 posted on 07/19/2014 2:34:54 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Discarded fetuses for power? Hitler may have lost the battle, but he won the war.")
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
Shot down, and proof of who shot it down and if it was intentional or not are two different things. The bubble you are bleating about is one of your own making.

Why is simply asking and waiting for proof and the truth such an affront to you?
11 posted on 07/19/2014 2:38:17 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain
In your initial post, you mentioned that no one knows HOW or why it happened. My response was aimed at your assertion that no one knows HOW it happened.

Go back and look if you don't believe me...

12 posted on 07/19/2014 2:43:11 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Discarded fetuses for power? Hitler may have lost the battle, but he won the war.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Perhaps accusations hurled close to but not quite at Putin will cause him to open up the investigation. I don’t think he wants Russia blamed.


13 posted on 07/19/2014 2:43:51 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: over3Owithabrain
and if it was intentional or not are two different things.

Yeah like the difference between first degree and third degree murder.

Obviously when one shoots off a Buk missile, your intent is to kill.

Even if one's intent is not to kill civilians, it's still negligent homicide as they didn't take the proper precautions not to kill civilians.

14 posted on 07/19/2014 2:46:11 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

I think you have trouble with context, both mine and your own. We don’t have all the answers, period. If Putin intentionally ordered a civilian plane shot down it is an act of war. So before we beging bombing Russia in 5 minutes let’s find out more, no?


15 posted on 07/19/2014 2:48:00 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: FreeReign

Yes big diffeence between negligent homicide and a willful act of war. We’re not playing Risk here, every detail of how and why this happened must be figured into a response.


16 posted on 07/19/2014 2:49:22 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And when will it be announced that the black box went missing?


17 posted on 07/19/2014 2:53:25 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: over3Owithabrain

“No I’m not. If you have the definitive proof please show the world. Or maybe you’re “kidding”.”

No I’m not. You’re not very up on the news, are you. Two telephone calls were intercepted between the pro-Russia terrorists in the Ukraine and the mothership in Russia. The pro-Russia bad guy admitted they had shot down the wrong plane. Read up on it.


18 posted on 07/19/2014 2:58:11 PM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: flaglady47

Satellite intel also showed the missile was fired from Russian controlled territory of Ukraine and probably a lot more.


19 posted on 07/19/2014 3:04:37 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: over3Owithabrain
The truth is we can all speculate but we don’t know why or how it happened yet. Talk is just posturing.

When you see a puppy sitting next to a fresh pile of poo your attitude must be "I didn't see him squat so I don't have a clue how it go there".

20 posted on 07/19/2014 3:13:10 PM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Putin ordereed unlawful warfare in Ukraine. Now there are another 300 people dead because of that. It makes no difference what the intended target was when Russia blew up that aircraft. Those people would be alive today had Putin not started killing people in Ukraine many months ago.


21 posted on 07/19/2014 3:14:30 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: over3Owithabrain

Why are you asking for proof? Russian GRU Colonel Strelkov, commander of the “rebels” already claimed credit for this atrocity.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 3:15:20 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: over3Owithabrain

We have a major disconnect, you and I. I shall bother you no further. Believe as you will.


23 posted on 07/19/2014 3:27:32 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Discarded fetuses for power? Hitler may have lost the battle, but he won the war.")
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To: FreeReign

Putinists are back on their feet and really getting on message. Sick.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 3:32:25 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: over3Owithabrain
That's right. A lot of people began drawing conclusions even before Putin's boys were finished looting the crash site - rifling the baggage, wallets and purses.

Be patient. We know only half of what the pigs have done.

25 posted on 07/19/2014 3:34:56 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

You were no bother. And no offense meant just talkin’. Have a good evening.


26 posted on 07/19/2014 4:03:57 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Tau Food

It just occurred to me that zero has never ordered flags lowered half-mast for anything, ever.


27 posted on 07/19/2014 4:11:17 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: txhurl

He had them half mast for that singer didn’t he?


28 posted on 07/19/2014 4:32:48 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Hello !,,,,,,

Putin , you know the KGB officier stole the black boxes from the crime scence abd sent them to Moscow !

And you think the KGB dictator stole these boxes from the Ukraine to help the investigation ?...

Who are you trying to fool here!


29 posted on 07/19/2014 4:42:50 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: lodi90
They got the marching orders out.

These Putin groupies are KGB collaborators .

Its bizarre .

30 posted on 07/19/2014 4:45:13 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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