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Fla. jury slams RJ Reynolds with $23.6B in damages (no, that was not a typo)
AP ^ | 7/19/2014 | JENNIFER KAY

Posted on 07/19/2014 2:06:55 PM PDT by markomalley

A Florida jury has slammed the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. with $23.6 billion in punitive damages in a lawsuit filed by the widow of a longtime smoker who died of lung cancer in 1996.

The case is one of thousands filed in Florida after the state Supreme Court in 2006 tossed out a $145 billion class action verdict. That ruling also said smokers and their families need only prove addiction and that smoking caused their illnesses or deaths.

Last year, Florida's highest court re-approved that decision, which made it easier for sick smokers or their survivors to pursue lawsuits against tobacco companies without having to prove to the court again that Big Tobacco knowingly sold dangerous products and hid the hazards of cigarette smoking.

The damages a Pensacola jury awarded Friday to Cynthia Robinson after a four-week trial come in addition to $16.8 million in compensatory damages.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: anticapitalist; lawsuit; pufflist; smokingnazis; tobacco; tobacconazis; tortreform; triallawyers; wod
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1 posted on 07/19/2014 2:06:55 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
I bet someone on the jury wanted to make them pay $23.6 trillion, but the foreman said, "Why make them pay trillions, when we can make them pay billions?"
2 posted on 07/19/2014 2:12:43 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: markomalley

Does the company even have any where close to that amount??


3 posted on 07/19/2014 2:13:30 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Frito: “How many billions?”
Joe: “Like, 10.”
Frito: “Yeah, suck one. Time machine costs, like, 20.”
Joe: “Yeah? Okay. Uh, 30, Frito. Thirty billion dollars.”
Frito: “Thirty billion. So if you gave me 30 billion and the time machine’s 20— What’s the minus of 30 and 20?”
Joe: “Uh, it’s, uh, it’s 80, Frito. It’s eighty billion dollars. That’s a mighty big minus, isn’t it?”
Frito: “Yeah. I like money though.”


4 posted on 07/19/2014 2:14:42 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: markomalley

Ridiculous and pure political BS! This is a shakedown of an industry because the government wants it to happen. Addiction is far too broad a standard because of all the areas it can cover. Will all diabetics sue candy manufacturers? Just another example of ignoring personal responsibility and because a few do so, the government has to step in and save the rest of us through regulation. WWII was won on the backs of nicotine and caffeine so what’s in store for the future? Energy drinks?


5 posted on 07/19/2014 2:15:08 PM PDT by Boomer One
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To: markomalley

Her husband died due to his own bad decisions.


6 posted on 07/19/2014 2:16:24 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Boomer One

“WWII was won on the backs of nicotine and caffeine”

And meth.


7 posted on 07/19/2014 2:18:21 PM PDT by sagar
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To: markomalley

Pay $1 a year.


8 posted on 07/19/2014 2:19:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Diabertes is caused by carbs. Not only sugar but also potatos and rice. Bad choices are not grounds for liability.


9 posted on 07/19/2014 2:21:56 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: markomalley

Even I don’t agree with this. Still it’s funny.


10 posted on 07/19/2014 2:24:22 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

If you’re product is politically unpopular other peoples choices apparently are grounds.


11 posted on 07/19/2014 2:24:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Oliviaforever

“Her husband died due to his own bad decisions.


I agree-—and I smoke.

It’s just another deep pockets lawsuit.

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12 posted on 07/19/2014 2:26:23 PM PDT by Mears
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To: markomalley

Certain to be reduced by a significant amount upon appeal. I wish they’d give out $1 judgments just so the lawyers can’t get sickeningly rich off these cases.


13 posted on 07/19/2014 2:28:30 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: markomalley
I have no use whatsoever for tobacco companies or the products they make.Add to that the fact that both my parents died ugly deaths thanks to smoking related illnesses (mother->lung cancer,father->COPD) and you'll find me quite vigorously against smoking.However,stuff like this is beyond crazy.The (very) short explanation of that opinion is...cigarettes were routinely referred to as "coffin nails" in the 1930's and there have been warnings on cigarette packs since the early 60's.This dead guy has earned most...if not all...of the blame for his demise.

No sympathy from me for either the dead guy or his family.Absolutely none!

14 posted on 07/19/2014 2:28:37 PM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: sagar

The side that used meth — Hitler and the Germans — lost.


15 posted on 07/19/2014 2:29:13 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: markomalley; GeronL

How many of the state’s top Democrat donors are lawyers on this case?

In Texas, I recall John O’Quinn and other insider Dems (private practice working a public case for state) splitting a billion dollars paid out from the “out of court settlement” when several states had a class action lawsuit against Big Tobacco.


16 posted on 07/19/2014 2:29:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: Boomer One
RE: "Just another example of ignoring personal responsibility"

I recall in the 1940s cigarettes were called cancer sticks and coffin nails. We all knew then, it was known for generations before.

And right, sugar and fat, are likely on the way to being milked for billions -- then paper and those painful and sometimes "life-threatening" paper cuts, shoe laces coming untied . . . .

Slip-and-fall lawyers and government employees will destroy the earth!

17 posted on 07/19/2014 2:32:52 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: markomalley

http://youtu.be/jQUNk5meJHs

“...the jury seemed most persuaded by 1994 C-Span footage of tobacco industry executives claiming smoking did not cause cancer and was not addictive, and by 60-year-old internal documents showing the company knew otherwise.”

Yet many a Freeper will deny nicotine is addictive.


18 posted on 07/19/2014 2:33:08 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: markomalley

This is-and always was-BS. Whatever substance you, as an adult drink, eat, smoke, inhale, rub on your skin, or however else you ingest/absorb it is a personal choice with personal responsibility attached-not a cash cow for trial lawyers and intrusive government. Does someone want to tell me again how it is GOOD for us if nanny government unselfishly “protects” us from ourselves? What party do the trial lawyers donate to/support?


19 posted on 07/19/2014 2:34:00 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: markomalley

My husband died from lung cancer too. I’ll take some. LOL!


20 posted on 07/19/2014 2:43:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Drango; WilliamofCarmichael

Adult personal choices + adult personal responsibility = government employees out of personal lives, jobs-and wallets-and trial lawyers having to actually work for a living...

Now THAT is what I call a free country...


21 posted on 07/19/2014 2:44:24 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: markomalley

Just a greedy lawyer trying for an out of court settlement and a nice percentage deal.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 2:44:36 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: markomalley
A Florida jury has slammed the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. with $23.6 billion in punitive damages in a lawsuit filed by the widow of a longtime smoker who died of lung cancer in 1996.

Those tobacco lawsuits were settled years ago with the lawyers receiving their multi-million dollar cut in the profits. Evidently this law group missed their calling back then and jumped in just in time to cash in.........

For what it's worth, the state of Michigan's lawyers reaped approx 72 million dollars, which equated to over $3,000 per hour in research already provided by out of state settled lawsuits.........


23 posted on 07/19/2014 2:48:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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To: Texan5

Can’t say. I believe “part” of the judgement was ‘cause the tobacco firms lied. They claimed it wasn’t addictive but they knew full well it is addictive. (Despite what some FReepers claim)

The deliberate concealment of the truth may be the reason that personal responsibility was overlooked.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 2:51:19 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: markomalley
What next? Cars? Can you imagine if the automobile was invented today and the manufacturer says it will kill 40,000 people a year and injure over 250,000?

People have known for ages that cigarettes are harmful to health and her husband continued to smoke. I guess that's why there's a warning label on microwavable food that says "Caution - food will be hot"

25 posted on 07/19/2014 2:51:53 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The OJ jury were described as anomalous at the time when in reality they were just a pilot project.


26 posted on 07/19/2014 2:59:22 PM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: markomalley
smokers and their families need only prove addiction and that smoking caused their illnesses or deaths.

Coors and Seagrams, you're next.

27 posted on 07/19/2014 2:59:27 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Drango

I’m endlessly amazed that so many do not realize that “all things in moderation” is not just a line in some song...

I don’t know of anyone who believes ad claims for anything-truth in advertising is an oxymoron and always has been. We make fun of people in the far past who got scammed into buying everything from bogus saints’ fingers and toes to snake oil, but we give the recently ignorant a pass, when it is no excuse for overlooking personal responsibility, or common sense, and information is everywhere.


28 posted on 07/19/2014 3:03:55 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: markomalley

Doesn’t seem like it will pass the smell test for “excessive” judgements.


29 posted on 07/19/2014 3:17:27 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Could Warren Buffet's oil trains be considered mobile Jihadist weapons of mass distruction?)
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To: markomalley
Fla. jury slams RJ Reynolds with $23.6B in damages (no, that was not a typo)

I am thoroughly confused here...

I thought the original $200 billion penalty imposed on the tobacco companies (and paid for by tobacco users, exclusively) was a conclusive "settlement." In addition, this huge amount was justified and argued on the basis that it would relieve the public at large from bearing the burden of the addicted to tobacco-relted health expenses.

Unfortunately, 80% OF THAT ENORMOUS SUM WAS USED, ABUSED AND WASTED ON PORK AND OTHER EXPENSES TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE TOBACCO ISSUE.
What did I miss?

Does anyone have links to documentation or other references as to how this case and decision (which I hope will be overturned or radically reduced) came about? Another class action suit?
An individual award?
Who is the plaintiff?
Which bloodsucking firm represents them?

30 posted on 07/19/2014 3:35:33 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Drango

I’m not taking issue with what you said-I’m pointing out that it isn’t a good idea to overlook personal responsibility because the truth was concealed, especially in advertising of anything-that is a slippery slope paved with money-some of which belongs to us.

One poster opined-rightly, I think-that alcohol is next-look at those ads-they all say how great, how much fun, how their beer/liquor will make you famous, attractive...

Already, drug companies are being seasoned for the trial lawyers’ grill. Maybe next it will be Viagra/Cialis-talk about adult responsibility...

Or maybe energy drinks, sodas, cupcakes, coffee-paint, ladders, power tools, exercise machines, creams and patches for muscle pain-there’s no stopping the avalanche once the dynamite charges have been set off...


31 posted on 07/19/2014 3:49:53 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Diabertes is caused by carbs. Not only sugar but also potatos and rice. Bad choices are not grounds for liability.

Our society runs exclusively and thoroughly on ignorance.
Most people are not aware that "carbs" is the name applied to the family of compounds that includes all of the other substances listed... the main one being sugar.

32 posted on 07/19/2014 3:50:01 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Rockingham
The side that used meth — Hitler and the Germans — lost.

You need to read a LOT more about military history 1920-1960, before "meth" was a dirty word due to its current popularity.

Every branch of our military was issued meth routinely under the most harrowing of military campaigns. Even during the cold war.

Germany has a heavy enough load to carry even without made up historical "facts."

33 posted on 07/19/2014 3:54:47 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Texan5
I found this in a google search...

"The Engle plaintiffs in Florida mostly claim they began smoking before the government required stronger warnings on every pack of cigarettes in 1969. (The first warnings that cigarettes “may be hazardous to your health,” went on in 1964; five years later Congress ordered the wording changed to “cigarette smoking is dangerous to your health.”)"

They are claiming people became addicted before they knew it was dangerous, but that cigarette companies knew already.

34 posted on 07/19/2014 4:00:30 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: SkyDancer

“What next?”

Our current POTUS is a smoker. Perhaps he will sue for billions claiming he became addicted.


35 posted on 07/19/2014 4:01:37 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: markomalley

Democrats cause a lot of harm and deaths..... just saying.


36 posted on 07/19/2014 4:02:11 PM PDT by Mark (Obama Care is now DEMOCRAT CARE)
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To: Drango
Yet many a Freeper will deny nicotine is addictive.

Even as a small child in the late 40s I was aware that smoking was unhealthy.
I know of no human being, with an IQ over 50 ever claiming what you assert.

The only possible exception, is the fact that individual familial genes plays a huge role in who becomes a medical victim, and who doesn't. An area which, to this day, is neglected and ignored.

For example, last time I researched it, in the late 90s, 100% of the documented oldest living persons ---- 100% of those who lived longer than 100 years, smoked 'all their lives'; and most of them didn't 'quit' until after age 95...

37 posted on 07/19/2014 4:04:37 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

So the video of the CEOs under oath is perjury?


38 posted on 07/19/2014 4:14:27 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

I can’t believe that people were that dumb, no matter what they claim-I’m pretty sure my parents didn’t need any government info to know that tobacco and alcohol could be addictive and unhealthy-they told me about it and everybody I knew was aware, too. Hell, the Native Americans knew it, and I’m sure the settlers learned it pretty quick.

I’d be downright ashamed to say-but your honor, I had no way of knowing-———was addictive-the government didn’t tell me so-gimme some of that money...


39 posted on 07/19/2014 4:17:33 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: publius911

Baskin Robbins owes me at least 10 bill


40 posted on 07/19/2014 4:18:09 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: Texan5; publius911

Again...there are multiple FReepers who claim cigarettes are NOT addictive. Sorry, I don’t support what they claim so I can’t defend them.


41 posted on 07/19/2014 4:21:57 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: markomalley

Each one of these so called jurors should be forced to chip in ONE BILLION dollars each OF THEIR OWN MONEY to that absurd 23.6 billion. This is why I’ve always said the insane and mentally challenged should not be allowed to be jurors. The “judicial” system in this country is a joke.


42 posted on 07/19/2014 4:30:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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To: markomalley

Anytime there are warnings and they say what can happen if you use the product, a lawsuit should never get to court.

NOT KNOWING THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE! Isn’t that what we’re told?
This is no different. You know what can happen if you smoke...PERIOD.


43 posted on 07/19/2014 4:42:10 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: Drango

There may be some that can hold down the smoking. That is possible.

It took a whole week in the hospital after chest pains sent me there, to come out smoke free. I could never have done it otherwise.

People don’t come in one size fits all body.


44 posted on 07/19/2014 4:46:45 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

For a long while I thought the tobacco companies should get together and go on strike. Imagine the panic when billions of tax dollars just stop rolling in.


45 posted on 07/19/2014 4:52:21 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy
I was thinking the same. If the Tobacco companies just quit shipping to
all the stores in Florida it would bankrupt the state! Then will the GOV
sue the Tobacco companies to ship tobacco to the merchants?
I would love to see it happen.
46 posted on 07/19/2014 5:00:10 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: publius911
During WW II, Hitler and the German military used meth, but NOT the Allies. During the Cold War, US military pilots had access to amphetamine "go pills," which were not otherwise provided to troops. Today, the more benign prescription alertness drug modafinil (tdade name Provigil) is available to pilots and flight crews.
47 posted on 07/19/2014 5:05:11 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: markomalley

“That ruling also said smokers and their families need only prove addiction and that smoking caused their illnesses or deaths.”

I can’t imagine any doctor testifying with medical certainty that smoking caused any illness.


48 posted on 07/19/2014 5:05:11 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Cyman; Texan5; publius911
I can’t imagine any doctor testifying with medical certainty that smoking caused any illness. Cayman-

Can you explain further? Are you saying that cigarettes aren't unhealthy or just that it can't be proven to a "medical certainty"?

Do YOU believe cigarettes are unhealthy??

49 posted on 07/19/2014 5:29:22 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: markomalley

This ruling has absolutely no legitimacy, and I hope the lawyer’s great grandchildren die of old age long before it is paid. The damage that even a third of this $23.6 billion could do in the hands of trial lawyers is staggering. Actually a lot of what FedGov and the courts do these days has no legitimacy. I miss the rule of law.


50 posted on 07/19/2014 6:15:52 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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