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Not even MH17 will stop Putin's goal of new Soviet Union
express.co.uk ^ | July 20, 2014 | Yuri Felshtinski

Posted on 07/19/2014 6:41:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

THE tragedy of MH17 will do nothing to stop Putin in his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union. This was a tragic accident for him but his ambitions extend beyond Ukraine and this will not stop that.

The world now knows he is involved with separatists connected to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. I think Putin will understand there is no going back now and he will make his move.

Ukraine is only the first stage; it is the beginning of a wider campaign to increase Russia's strength. He will move to other countries, such as Moldova and Belorussia, where there is a strong Russian population.

This will become a European war if the West does not do more to stop it. The deaths of foreign civilians make this a European war already. Europe relies on Russia for oil and gas and Great Britain relies on it for money, but that is where they have to hit. If you watch Russian TV it is extremely anti-Ukrainian, they are showing a completely different picture.

The Russian people are being fed opposing information. They are happy to see themselves as a powerful state again, but not if it becomes expensive.

Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing.

This is not a problem anybody wants to deal with, but the murder of the passengers on that plane means everyone has to. It is not economic any more, it is a political power struggle. If Europe does not demonstrate to Putin now that it is taking it seriously then the problem will escalate and we will have the costs of war to worry about, not just the economy.

Putin will not stop until others stop him.


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1 posted on 07/19/2014 6:41:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union

All he has to do is fire everyone competent. We won the Cold War. The Soviet Union failed.

Sounds like someone misses the Cold War.

/johnny

2 posted on 07/19/2014 6:46:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
ll he has to do is fire everyone competent.

Venezuela did that. Venezuela is a model of (in)efficiency. Could take 3 weeks or months to unload a cargo ship. Seriously it is that bad.

3 posted on 07/19/2014 6:48:12 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Personally Vlady don’t care what Euros America and rest of the world thinks


4 posted on 07/19/2014 6:48:49 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Romney said this and the MSM / Obama said his political views were ‘from the 1980s.’

Have any admitted their mistake?


5 posted on 07/19/2014 6:49:22 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What a coincidence. His comrade-from-another-mother, Barry Soetoro, doesn’t let loss of life like that which occurred at Ft. Hood and elsewhere stop him from fundamentally transforming The USA into The USSA.


6 posted on 07/19/2014 6:50:12 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Putin is in a box, he can come clean on the missile attack and Russia will be relegated to an outsider in the world community or not cooperate and be persona non grata on the world stage.


7 posted on 07/19/2014 6:50:39 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Tailgunner Joe

After all the outrage and media over-coverage, not much will come of this.


8 posted on 07/19/2014 6:50:59 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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FReepers! Let's go!
Every donation counts!



9 posted on 07/19/2014 6:51:14 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia is working ok as is for these companies:

All are members of the US-Russia Business Council

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32 Advisors LLC

Abbott Laboratories

AbbVie

Aerolase Corporation

Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP

Alcoa

Alfa Bank

Alliance Logistics

Almaz Capital Partners

American Chamber of Commerce in Russia

American Councils for International Education

American International Group (AIG)

American-Russian Cultural
Cooperation Foundation


American Superconductor Corp

Amgen, Inc.

APCO Worldwide

Apple, Inc.

Argus Limited

Association of Equipment Manufacturers

Association of Regional Banks of Russia

Atlantic Ro-Ro Carriers, Inc.

Automotive Industry Action Group (AIAG)

Aviahelp Group, JSC

Avon Products, Inc.

BNSF Logistics

BNY Mellon

BP America Inc.

Baker & McKenzie

Baker Botts L.L.P.

Baker Hughes B.V.

Bank of America

Baring Vostok Capital Partners

Baxter

BayRu LLC

Bentley Systems

Berry Moorman P.C.

Black & Veatch Corporation

Blacklin Associates, LLC

The Boeing Company

BoKom International Consulting

Boston Scientific

Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney PC

CRDF Global

Cameron

Capital Legal Services International LLC

Capital Research and Management Company

Cargill, Incorporated

Case New Holland

Caterpillar Inc.

CDNetworks

Celgene

Center for Business Ethics and Corporate Governance

Center for Entrepreneurship

ChemDiv, Inc.

Chevron Corporation

Chrysler Group LLC

Cisco Systems, Inc.

Citi

CLAAS North America Holdings

Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP

The Coca-Cola Company

ConocoPhillips

Council for U.S.-Russia Relations

Cummins Inc.

DHL Express

Debevoise & Plimpton LLP

Dechert LLP

Deere & Company

Deloitte

Dentons





EMC Corporation

Eagle Consulting International

Ecolab

Edelman

Educational Testing Service

Egorov, Puginsky, Afanasiev & Partners

E.J. Krause & Associates, Inc.

Elite Security Group

Emerging Markets Institute, Cornell University

Energy Policy Research Foundation, Inc.

EY

Eurasia Foundation

Exxon Mobil Corporation

FWH and Associates LLC

Feldmans Consulting

First International Resources

Fluor Corporation

Ford Motor Company

Fort Ross Conservancy

Fund-Operator of Program to Procure Financial Assistance to the Skolkovo Fund Innovative Projects

Gazprom Export

General Electric Company

General Motors Company

Google

Greville Group N.A., LLC .

Guardian Industries Corporation

Harriman Institute, Columbia University

Hermitage Museum Foundation

Hewlett-Packard Company

Highland Project Logistics, Inc.

Hill+Knowlton Strategies

IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates

IPG Photonics Corporation

Institute for Health Policy Analysis

Innovative Pharma - Association of Pharmaceutical Companies

Integrum Worldwide

Interconnect Management Corporation

International Business-Government Counsellors, Inc.

International Paper

International Research and Exchange Board (IREX)

JTI Marketing and Sales

John Tedstrom Associates, LLC

Johnson & Johnson

Jones Day

JPMorgan Chase Bank

KPMG

Kalorama Partners, LLC

Kazan National Research Technological University

Kennan Institute

Ketchum, Inc.

Kidsave International

Kimberly-Clark Corporation

King & Spalding LLP

Law Offices of Ethan S. Burger

Law Office of Daniel J. Rothstein, P.C.

Lawson International, Inc.

Lazare Kaplan International Inc.

LegaLife LLC

Eli Lilly & Company

Lindsay Corporation

Loomis Associates International LLC

MSD Pharmaceuticals

Marchmont Capital Partners

Marks & Sokolov, LLC

Marriott Hotels of Moscow

MARS, Incorporated

McLarty Associates

Medtronic, Inc.

Mercator XXI, LLC

MetLife

Microsoft Corporation

Mid-Atlantic — Russia Business Council

Moscow State Mining University

New Ad Age International, Inc.

New Sensor Corporation

NUKEM Inc.

Open World Leadership Center

Osnovsky & Associates

PBN Hill+Knowlton Strategies

PwC

Parker Drilling

Partnership for International
Business Development


Penetron Russia Group of Companies

PepsiCo, Inc.

Petroleum Advisory Forum

Pettibone International LLC

Pfizer Inc.

The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA)

Philip Morris Sales and Marketing Ltd.

Procter & Gamble

Progresstech Group of Companies

QUALCOMM Inc.

RB International Finance (USA) LLC

RDO Equipment Company

Rachmaninoff Competitions & Festivals, Inc.

Ramla Benaissa Architects

Renova Group of Companies

The Risk Advisory Group plc

Robinson College of Business, Georgia State University

RUSAL

RUSNANO, JSC

Russian Agricultural Bank

Russian American Foundation

Russian-American Business Council

SPP Management, Inc.

Sberbank of Russia

Saint-Petersburg Electrotechnical Company (SPbEC)

Schlumberger Limited

Siguler Guff & Company, LLC

Sobolev & Partners Legal Services, LLC

Squire Sanders

State Solutions LLP

Summa Group

T. Thomson & Associates

TD International, LLC

T.D. Williamson, Inc.

TMK IPSCO

Tecom Group Inc.

Transkor Group Inc.

Trans-NET, Inc.

Trident Capital

Trident Group, LLC

UFG Asset Management

UPS

The U.S. Russia Foundation
for Economic Advancement and the Rule of Law


USA Poultry and Egg Export Council (USAPEEC)

U.S.-Russia Chamber of Commerce (USRCC)

United Technologies Corporation

VSMPO-AVISMA Corporation

VTB Group

Valley Irrigation

Vanga Capital

Visa Inc.

VisaHQ.com Inc.

Vnesheconombank

Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies

Vostok Service

The Walt Disney Company

White & Case LLC

White Nights Foundation of America

William T. Robinson PLLC

WorldBusiness Capital, Inc.

WorldTrade Executive, a part of Thomson Reuters.

Xerox Corporation

Zimmer, Inc.


10 posted on 07/19/2014 6:53:15 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: TigerClaws
Have any admitted their mistake?

It wasn't a mistake. They are part of the team. If they have to pull a Reggie Jackson and stick their hip into the path of a double-play ball from time to time in order to win The World Serious, they see it as their job.

11 posted on 07/19/2014 6:53:43 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Oliviaforever
How did that work out for the flight from Alaska to Korea.... KAL007?

It was the CCCP then, and they didn't admit to anything for a long, long time.

Everybody kept dealing with them. History teaches us things.

/johnny

12 posted on 07/19/2014 6:54:20 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TigerClaws

Bummer told Vlad that after he was re-elected he would have more flexibility to bend over and grab his ankles.


13 posted on 07/19/2014 6:54:53 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

~Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. ~

Well, if they are looking to lose all the influence with any group in Russia why not?

~Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing~
Why would they ask questions as far as it’s the West that severed ties? With all pro-Western groups isolated this way it would be a gift for any power inside the country willing to restore a real dictatorship.

All of the above worked exactly the same in Cuba or Iran. None of these regimes could have been alive today if not for a sanctions uniting populations behind their leadership who can easily cover their mismanagement and corruption blaming sanctions for poor performance.


14 posted on 07/19/2014 6:56:29 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: SevenofNine

I think he takes note, but this is just a little bump in the road for his plans. A mere inconvenience.


15 posted on 07/19/2014 6:58:38 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

16 posted on 07/19/2014 7:01:23 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I am unconcerned with Putin. America has its own tyrant to deal with presently.


17 posted on 07/19/2014 7:26:35 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Did we not encourage Russia to abandon communism and adopt capitalism and emulate America? Are we condemning companies that are doing business with Russia? Should they jettison all investments that they have made?

The reason we found it necessary to install a puppet government in the Ukraine was that they were getting ready to sign a deal with Russia that was better than the EU bankers were offering. Imagine that! A leader looking for the best deal for it’s country.

I would put the USA and Russia close to levels of corruption and having a Fascist governments with Russia still in the lead.


18 posted on 07/19/2014 7:27:37 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union

Nope. Just a smaller version of the old Russian Empire.


Territory
Spheres of influence

Light green = spheres of influence.
19 posted on 07/19/2014 7:31:26 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Oliviaforever

Putin holds a fair amount of cards. The natural gas pipeline is a key one. Europe depends on it.

I do not see that it would matter much if Putin through some pro-Russian separatists to the wolves. How would that change anything?


20 posted on 07/19/2014 8:04:45 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

through should be threw


21 posted on 07/19/2014 8:12:43 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This **** again?

Putin doesn't want the USSR back. He knows Communism doesn't work. Putin isn't a neo-Soviet. Putin is a neo-Tsarist
22 posted on 07/19/2014 8:18:23 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: JRandomFreeper

Russia has been holding joint war games with the ChiComs every other year, now every year, since 2005. They support Marxist dictatorships throughout Latin America. They stand behind communist North Korea. If they supposedly are through with communism, why do they support these communist regimes?


23 posted on 07/19/2014 8:19:51 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: GeronL
Venezuela did that. Venezuela is a model of (in)efficiency. Could take 3 weeks or months to unload a cargo ship. Seriously it is that bad.

I work in a department store and I've had customers from Venezuela as well as a co worker who is from there. I mentioned that "Hugo Chavez was a real jag-off (a Pittsburgh word for jerk, idiot) and he ruined that country and economy and they agreed with me. One even said the guy who replaced him is worse.
24 posted on 07/19/2014 8:21:37 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: marktwain
I do not see that it would matter much if Putin through some pro-Russian separatists to the wolves.

The "pro-Russian separatists" may well be Russian army plants there to make it appear as if it's an internal matter.

25 posted on 07/19/2014 8:26:13 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He’s using the same strategy as Hitler, the use of Russian enclaves as an excuse for conquest. He’s opposed by the same sort of “Give him what he wants and maybe he will be satisfied” leadership. However, he has the ruthlessness of Stalin. This will not be pretty.


26 posted on 07/19/2014 8:26:25 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: caveat emptor

Putin’s regime will never be a restoration of the Russian Empire, because that would mean restoring the Romanov dynasty and returning their property. Putin is not about to do that anymore than Hitler put the Kaiser back on the throne of Germany. Putin can’t even condemn the murderers of the Romanov Family because that would mean he would have to condemn the whole Soviet Union and Lenin himself. He would have to condemn his own loyal service to the evil Soviet tyranny which destroyed the Russian empire in the first place. He’ll never do that. Putin cannot be a Tsar because he has no noble blood. He’s a peasant. His grandfather was Lenin’s cook.


27 posted on 07/19/2014 8:27:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: caveat emptor

You just gave Alaska to Putin.


28 posted on 07/19/2014 8:27:50 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: DesScorp
Please see my previous post. Putin is not a tsarist of any kind, neo or otherwise. He is an unrepentant Chekist. His father was in the NKVD and his grandfather was Lenin's cook. He will never restore the Russian Empire and he will never repudiate the EVIL EMPIRE he loyally served. Fantasies about the restoration of the Russian Empire are really just foolish uninformed nonsense. Putin fans have the most ridiculous delusions.
29 posted on 07/19/2014 8:32:18 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Nowhere Man

Seriously Christmas cookies hit their shelves in April or something. Cargo ships just sit there, waiting and waiting. Which costs $$$ and I wonder if they lose more sitting idle than they got from the cargo. Or maybe more than the cargo is worth.

The government of Venezuela owes billions to airlines, hospitals and importers that the government does not have the ability to pay.


30 posted on 07/19/2014 8:34:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ETL 2

Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

In a [] 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ...”

“Golitsyn’s argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government.”

“Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn’s thesis.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html


31 posted on 07/19/2014 8:35:49 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: ETL 2
A Putin kind of communism - July 2, 2014 - Russian President Vladimir Putin has awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky to the head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Gennady Zyuganov.

According to RIA Novosti, Zyuganov's award is for "achievements [in] labor progress, significant contributions to socio-economic development of the Russian Federation, [and] the implementation of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation."

Zyuganov, who has led the Russian Communist Party since 1993, has expressed support for the revival of the Soviet Union, changing the names of the Russian cities of Volgograd and St. Petersburg back to their Soviet-era names of Stalingrad and Leningrad, and is on record as declaring that the USSR was the "most humane state in human history."

The award was made public on Zyuganov's 70th birthday. In a meeting with Zyuganov, Putin gave also gave him a statuette of a popular Soviet-era hero Vasily Chapaev, according to the report.

Chapaev was a Bolshevik officer during the Russian Civil War, which pitted the Soviet Red Army against the White Army attempting to overthrow Lenin's Communist state. Killed in action, Chapaev was known for his devotion to duty and his Soviet fervor. During the Soviet era, a book was written about him, a film depicted his exploits, and a class of cruisers was named after him.

On Zyuganov's 65th birthday, Putin had given Zyuganov a copy of the Soviet edition of the Communist Manifesto.

Obviously the Russian Communist leader and the President of the Russian Federation have a common appreciation for things Marxist and Bolshevik.


32 posted on 07/19/2014 8:44:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Putin can’t even condemn the murderers of the Romanov Family because that would mean he would have to condemn the whole Soviet Union and Lenin himself.”

April 25, 2005...

Russia’s Putin: Soviet Collapse a Tragedy
By ALEX NICHOLSON
Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW (AP) - President Vladimir Putin lamented the demise of the Soviet Union in some of his strongest language to date, saying in a nationally televised speech before parliament Monday that it was “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”

In his annual address to lawmakers, top government officials and political leaders, Putin also sought to reassure skittish investors about Russia’s investment climate - just two days before a ruling in the tax evasion and fraud trial of oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

His statements on the collapse of the Soviet Union and its effects on Russians, at home and abroad, come as the country is awash in nostalgia just two weeks before the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II in Europe - a conflict Russians call the “Great Patriotic War.”

Putin, who served as a colonel in the KGB, has resurrected some communist symbols during his presidency, bringing back the music of the old Soviet anthem and the Soviet-style red banner as the military’s flag.

In the 50-minute address at the Kremlin, Putin avoided mentioning the need to work more closely with other former Soviet republics - in contrast to previous addresses ...”

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-42328.html


33 posted on 07/19/2014 8:45:32 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Putin said Stalin deserves statues in his honor as much as the late British lord protector, a ‘cunning fellow’ who “played a very ambiguous role in Britain’s history.”
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131219/185734707/Putin-Says-Stalin-No-Worse-Than-Cunning-Oliver-Cromwell.html


34 posted on 07/19/2014 8:45:48 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: JRandomFreeper
All he has to do is fire everyone competent. We won the Cold War. The Soviet Union failed.
Sounds like someone misses the Cold War.
/johnny

=========================================================

Putin misses it.
It gave him a chance to be the THUG that is his NATURE.

35 posted on 07/19/2014 8:48:46 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Texas Eagle

Good one, Guilfoyle.


36 posted on 07/19/2014 8:49:29 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: DesScorp
Putin doesn't want the USSR back. He knows Communism doesn't work. Putin isn't a neo-Soviet. Putin is a neo-Tsarist

Tsar/Czar Vladimir. Da!
Ochen harasho!

37 posted on 07/19/2014 8:52:58 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Texas Eagle

“What a coincidence. His comrade-from-another-mother, Barry Soetoro, doesn’t let loss of life like that which occurred at Ft. Hood and elsewhere stop him from fundamentally transforming The USA into The USSA.”

Yes, yes. Now that you mention it, those two do have quite a bit in common...


38 posted on 07/19/2014 9:06:47 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: DesScorp
WATCH: Putin's Secret: "Leninism Without Marxism"

Many people don't realize that the official ideology of the Soviet Union was not Marxism, but Leninism. The Bolshevik leader Lenin contradicted key parts of Marxist theory. Lenin focused on creating an all powerful state which would act as the "vanguard" of revolutionary socialism. This "dictatorship of the proletariat" would establish socialism which meant a centralized economy. Actual communism was only a promise which would come after a period of socialism. Lenin's "New Economic Program" even allowed limited capitalism with the purpose of improving the economy. The Putin regime is simply following in Lenin's footsteps, allowing limited capitalism, but only for the purposes of improving Russia's economy while maintaining a dictatorship which promotes Communism around the world.

39 posted on 07/19/2014 9:12:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ETL 2
Russia has been holding joint war games with the ChiComs every other year, now every year, since 2005. They support Marxist dictatorships throughout Latin America. They stand behind communist North Korea. If they supposedly are through with communism, why do they support these communist regimes?

The United States is the biggest supporter of Communism through trade with Communist countries.
40 posted on 07/19/2014 9:46:22 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Putin’s foremost a businessman in today’s Russia and on an International Scale....companies know he’s ready , and has been, to do business.

Recent Economic summit showed corporations are and will continue to do business with Putin. And interesting listening to EU businessmen stating they will go in their own direction regarding business with Russia and Putin.

Companies who have stated they won’t do business are those being strong-armed by the US Administration.....and even they are looking for means and ways to loosen the leverage being used.


41 posted on 07/19/2014 9:59:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: Texas Eagle

LoL...now that’s a good one!


42 posted on 07/19/2014 10:00:14 PM PDT by caww
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The author is naive. Putin doesn’t want the old CCCP.

Nope.

Putin is a modern csarist. Putin wants to flip Germany to his side and break up NATO. He wants to leave bankrupt Greece and Spain on their own, or better still let them drag down France once Germany has left the EU.


43 posted on 07/19/2014 10:01:58 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: ETL 2

...”If they supposedly are through with communism, why do they support these communist regimes?”....

Doesn’t matter what position they hold when it comes to trade and doing international business. .....Ideologies etc only matter for political leverage in their game, but bottom line will always be the purse.

People would do well to recognize that nations citizens are simply pawns on their game table....nation leaders will feed them emotionally to their advantage...or deny them.


44 posted on 07/19/2014 10:05:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

What about business with China ? They never stopped being Communist.

Weird. If Communism is actually an enemy, making them your biggest trading partner seems a bit stupid.

In fact, so stupid, that there’s no way it was done out of stupidity. The financial elites of America didn’t get to be billionaires by being that stupid.

Meanwhile, the “Chicoms” have gained an economic and technological boost of enormous proportions due specifically to trade with the US, which the door was opened to back in the early 1970’s.

Gee, all during the “cold war”, our financial elites were building business and trade with “communist” China.

I feel stabbed in the back; doesn’t everybody else in America also feel this way ?


45 posted on 07/19/2014 10:11:04 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: ETL 2

Putin knows he has to play to the new generation and the old population as he brings his nation along from it’s fall. So he’s simply being a statesman in his approach to satisfy all......it’s something he knows he has to ‘balance’ as the people adjust to the new Russia of today.

Unlike Obama who has shoved his “Hope and change” down everyones throat...like it or not. He’s a terrible politician let alone any resemblance to a Pres.


46 posted on 07/19/2014 10:11:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We have zero tanks left in Europe. That’s right, not even one.


47 posted on 07/19/2014 10:14:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Well we have been stabbed in the back as it’s all moved to the Eastern Hemisphere. That’s just the reality of where things are happening.

Russia and China’s partnering in trade is simply “business”...not political so much, though it’s given some consideration regarding both those nations are ramping it up to be top dogs with International clout..and that in ‘all’ respects.......but neither Russia nor China are “friends”...they know it.


48 posted on 07/19/2014 10:20:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: Kennard

“Just a smaller version “


49 posted on 07/19/2014 10:26:35 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Putin’s regime will never be a restoration of the Russian Empire

Pffft. Geographic, not politica.
50 posted on 07/19/2014 10:36:34 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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