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1 posted on 07/19/2014 9:56:10 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Okay now the media including Drudge has successfully kicked the U.S.border hemorrhage off the front page, and nobody on cable or satellite is talking anymore about the fed’s criminal germ-warfare relocation strategy. The more the U.S.border patrol gets shot at from the Mexican side, the more the stupid American news audience gets glutted with wall to wall eyewitness reports and commentary on the Downed Malaysian Airliner, the Ukraine, Crash Site Security, Body Bags, Separatists, Rebels, Russia, Body Bags, Putin, SAM Missiles, and more Body Bags. U.S. state-run media. Gotta love it.


2 posted on 07/19/2014 10:19:42 PM PDT by 4Runner
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Of course most people are sure that Russian associated rebels are responsible for the bringing down of the plane. Ukraine is desperately trying to link it directly to Russian troops under orders from the Russian Army. To do so would be a great propaganda win for them. Indeed it is quite possible that they are right - I wouldn’t be taking their word on too much though until we see a full investigation.

I wonder if ISIS brings down a Jet Airliner if we will be looking at Obama and Cameron for supplying them with similar weapons.


5 posted on 07/20/2014 12:00:00 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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"‘They [the rebels] could not have used this system without direct Russian involvement.’ 

Given the source, that's a deliberate propagada lie, not ignorance like a lot of comments by people who just assume it's difficult and don't know any better.

In standalone mode any reasonably literate individual with the manuals can acquire, lock onto, and fire on a target. It's identifying the target, working as part of an integrated air defense, receiving the target information from a remote systems instead of the site radar, identifying false data being fed to you, dealing with ECM and ARM threats, etc., etc., that makes operation of them complex.

Recent and/or retrofitted systems even have modes specifically for leading operators through dry runs. This drills operators for high threat environments so they learn to go through the short sequence of operator intervention required as fast as possible in order deal with ARM threats by keeping the local radar on for the bare minimum amount of time required to pass information to the weapon when standalone mode is used.

8 posted on 07/20/2014 12:08:46 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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‘They [the rebels] could not have used this system without direct Russian involvement.’

Obviously false.

The Buk system dates back to the USSR days, when Ukraine was part of the USSR. After the breakup, Ukraine retained some Buks, and Ukrainian personnel had obviously been trained on them. It has been reported that the separatist rebels captured some Ukrainian Buks when the overran government outposts in their area.

It is thus entirely possible that the rebels managed to accomplish this atrocity pretty much on their own.

Of course, it's also possible, they were supplied over the border with missiles and/or missilemen. Vlad would have been pleased if they had bagged yet another of Kiev's air transports.

It is suspicious that the rebels were seen trundling their partially expended missile battery across the Russian border hours after the main event.

13 posted on 07/20/2014 12:37:28 AM PDT by cynwoody
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Vapor Trail
19 posted on 07/20/2014 2:41:15 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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The tractor pulling this trailer

Appears to match the one in this Video.

20 posted on 07/20/2014 3:00:52 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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This video has emerged:

Moment black box recorder from flight MH17 is recovered

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1106477/Moment-black-box-recorder-flight-MH17-recovered.html


23 posted on 07/20/2014 5:26:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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