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Question for Boehner: Will you use the power of the purse to stop Obama’s executive power grabs?
Hotair ^ | 07/19/2014 | AllahPundit

Posted on 07/20/2014 5:52:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A leftover from yesterday via CNS but a fine note on which to end the week. There are three ways the House could punish Obama the next time he decides he wants to rewrite a statutory deadline for ObamaCare or unilaterally declare war in the Middle East or amnestize a few million illegals.

They could impeach him, of course, but that’ll go nowhere in the Senate and will provoke a nasty public backlash against the GOP. That option is too hot. They could do what Boehner’s actually doing right now, suing Obama on separation-of-powers grounds, but most legal experts think the lawsuit is doomed either because the House lacks standing or because courts don’t want to meddle in an executive/legislative scrap. That option is too cold. The third option is to simply cut off his funding.

If he wants to continue making law via executive edict, that’s fine; next time he comes looking for appropriations to run the government, Boehner can laugh in his face and tell him to get the money from Harry Reid. Under the circumstances, the power of the purse would operate as the impeachment process in reverse: Reid and the Senate could do whatever they like on funding, but their bills would be DOA in the House. No money for Uncle Sugar until Obama agrees to follow the law as written.

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1 posted on 07/20/2014 5:52:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Weepy tears up at the thought of being able to carry the purse of POSOTUS


2 posted on 07/20/2014 5:54:47 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: SeekAndFind

Q2 Why should We the People be expected to pay for an Illegal Alien and his tranny’s lavish lifestyle? Why haven’t you ganked his credit card yet?


3 posted on 07/20/2014 5:55:22 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: SeekAndFind

This would just be the ‘shut down the government’ strategy again.

I believe almost all department funding is written into law for multiple years. House can’t repeal existing funding by itself; the Senate would have to go along.


4 posted on 07/20/2014 5:57:24 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SeekAndFind
"Power of the purse? What's he talking about?"


5 posted on 07/20/2014 5:58:45 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: SeekAndFind

EXEMPT Boehner had no interest in stopping Obama this week,
or last week, or the week before.
Or next week.


6 posted on 07/20/2014 5:59:50 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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7 posted on 07/20/2014 6:06:00 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Diogenesis
Boehner is elected by the Republican members of the House. He's apparently doing what they want him to do. What else do you need to know about the Republican Party. Let's see, weak, impotent, stupid, cowardly, timid, oh did I say that they're cowards?

Democrats are evil. Republlicans pretend not to be evil. Which is worse?

8 posted on 07/20/2014 6:12:27 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Boenher, who was preparing for a GOPe surrender conference, could not offer a response...


9 posted on 07/20/2014 6:17:32 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Vichy Republicans attack their base more than the Democrats, sorta like the Vichy French who attacked fellow Frenchmen and Jews rather than the Nazis.


10 posted on 07/20/2014 6:24:43 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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To: SeekAndFind

No. That is what the TEA Party would do.


11 posted on 07/20/2014 6:24:52 AM PDT by jch10 (WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THE COYOTE IN CHIEF?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Democrats are evil. Republlicans pretend not to be evil. Which is worse?

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You could easily make a case that Republicans are more deceptive than Democrats. They tell their base one thing and then do another. They complain about liberal policies but do little if anything to stop them. They claim to be conservative but continue to support the growth of big government and massive spending.

The Republicans are sheep in wolves clothing.


12 posted on 07/20/2014 6:28:23 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Caipirabob

Boenher, who was preparing for a GOPe surrender conference...

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GOP = White Flag Party


13 posted on 07/20/2014 6:29:38 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: rawcatslyentist

Is there anyone left who thinks Obama would respect a LEGAL limitation on his spending priorities?

No?

So, do you expect the House to send its Master-at-Arms to seize the Treasury Department? And just padlock Obama’s favorite “lockboxes”?

No?

So, what makes you think a sitting president, who thinks he is above the Law, will be POWERLESS when he is challenged by “the power of the purse”?

Let’s work to get a veto-proof Congress. IMHO, that is more likely to work.


14 posted on 07/20/2014 6:31:29 AM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Is there anyone left who thinks Obama would respect a LEGAL limitation on his spending priorities?

No?

So, do you expect the House to send its Master-at-Arms to seize the Treasury Department? And just padlock Obama’s favorite “lockboxes”?

No?

So, what makes you think a sitting president, who thinks he is above the Law, will be POWERLESS when he is challenged by “the power of the purse”?

Let’s work to get a veto-proof Congress. IMHO, that is more likely to work.


15 posted on 07/20/2014 6:32:16 AM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, he won’t.


16 posted on 07/20/2014 6:32:20 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

“Foregettaboutit!”


17 posted on 07/20/2014 6:39:56 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: jjotto

RE: I believe almost all department funding is written into law for multiple years.

But what if Obama runs out of money for this or that program and asks for more Billions?

And oh BTW, if Obamacare is written into law for multiple years, how long will the money last since it was passed in 2010?


18 posted on 07/20/2014 6:43:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That would be a Negative.


19 posted on 07/20/2014 6:45:10 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama leaves office before any of this could come down.

Don’t forget the courts: They’re the real legislature these days. They can mandate spending, and the executive will go along. That means the House must take a positive action to stop spending. That means the Senate will have to go along. Good luck.


20 posted on 07/20/2014 6:48:34 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

They just did it to the IRS.


21 posted on 07/20/2014 6:50:15 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage

Yes, the House did, but only for ‘enforcement’.

Now the Senate has to go along and it has to survive a Presidential veto. Good luck.


22 posted on 07/20/2014 6:54:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Hostage; jjotto

I did hear something about the Senate having input on said purse, because I was surprised to learn it, but the point you made on the HOR passing a partial cut to the IRS is a good one.

I’m confused about what the defunding abilities really are as to and where they apply.


23 posted on 07/20/2014 7:01:48 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: jjotto

I see your reply at 22.

Pretty amazing Allahpundit doesn’t seem any more aware than I was, that “power” is not given to the HOR over the dang purse.


24 posted on 07/20/2014 7:06:55 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Check the Constitution carefully. The House unilateral power of the purse is *raising revenue*, not spending.


25 posted on 07/20/2014 7:09:32 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: RitaOK; jjotto

> “Pretty amazing Allahpundit doesn’t seem any more aware than I was, that “power” is not given to the HOR over the dang purse.”

Power is and isn’t. Congress funds government these days by ‘Continuing Resolution’. These CRs need to be renewed. If the House agrees too renew some funding but refuses to renew other, that is power of the purse. The problem is that Boehner never follows through in using this power.

What jjotto said is that once funded, it cannot be defunded until the CR is up for renewal. Boehner made sure the current CR is not up for renewal until after the elections this Fall.


26 posted on 07/20/2014 7:15:16 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: jjotto

—yep—many posters seem to have forgotten what they should have learned in high school “Civics”—that Congress consists of two houses and there is a president with a veto power-—


27 posted on 07/20/2014 7:15:27 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: SeekAndFind

The oompah-loompah would rather cry.


28 posted on 07/20/2014 7:24:32 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: jjotto
To paraphrase Dean Wormer from Animal House: “Tan, drunk and stupid is no way to govern Mr. Speaker”
29 posted on 07/20/2014 7:30:39 AM PDT by slapshot
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To: Starboard

Republicans are wimps in sheeps clothing.


30 posted on 07/20/2014 7:34:10 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Short answer: NO.

Slightly longer answer: Are you kidding?

Long answer: This is spineless Boehner we’re talking about, right?


31 posted on 07/20/2014 7:44:41 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NTHockey

Impeachment should go straight from the House to the Supremes. Is that political? Just make sure the V.P. is qualified.


32 posted on 07/20/2014 8:04:37 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Obama got what he wanted from th ussc with obmamacare. He could dodge conviction in the ussc as well.


33 posted on 07/20/2014 8:12:58 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: jjotto

>>I believe almost all department funding is written into law for multiple years. <<

No, Each year budgets are supposed to be presented and voted upon by both the Senate and the House. Some funding might be built in via directed taxes like the highway fund, for instance, but even that is usually spent as directed by annual budgets.

The problem is political. The reason we keep having Continuing Resolutions (CR) is that the Senate won’t take up individual spending bills. Unless they see a CR they like, i.e., one that continues current spending levels which were dramatically raised to get through the 2009 recession, they just shut down the government, knowing that the MSM and Obama will succeed in blaming the GOP for the shutdown.

Boehner does understand this, which is why he went for the sequester deal. Obama didn’t believe the GOP would stomach the military cuts included in the sequester, but he was outfoxed by the GOP and as a result he’s now taking credit for an improving budget, due to the sequester actually being implemented (against his wishes.) Such is politics.

But, if the Senate goes GOP the game changes dramatically. Then, individual departmental budgets can be passed, and within those departmental budgets, individual line items can be budgeted. Furthermore, the GOP can determine the order the departmental budgets are taken up and can even leave some line items for later.

For example, the budget for the Treasury Department could be taken up, but the IRS line items within Treasury could be left for later, except for essential tax collection efforts. The enforcement budget, which has been severely abused, could be left for later, and possibly severely curtailed, i.e., no more bonuses, and a lot of jobs curtailed. In other words, the GOP could use the budget to punish misbehavior, and encourage good behavior.

One obvious benefit of going line by line is that a lot of programs would be trashed since a GOP-led Congress wouldn’t fund them at all. Hopefully the federal Department of Education would be one of them. The power of the purse will only really come into play if the GOP takes the Senate, but then it could prove extremely useful, and powerful.

Of course, the wrinkle here is that Obama could just veto everything. But if he did the MSM would have a harder time painting the GOP as the reason the government is shut down, especially if they send him budgets for uncontroversial, and/or essential departments, and line items within those departments, first.

As an example of this, fund the forest service fire prevention services at normal levels. Let Obama take the heat for vetoing it as the west burns. The only reason there’d be no funding is because of his veto. Furthermore, Congress would almost certainly override such a veto, especially if fires were burning.

Incidentally, way, way, way, down the list would be funding for Valerie Jarrett’s secret service detail, or any other perks of her office.


34 posted on 07/20/2014 8:27:29 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Except the senate and the whitehouse would “insist” on an omnibus spending bill. No single appropriations are allowed.

Nothing will get done until after January. And even then Obama will just veto everything that comes his way.

Nothing will change until something changes.


35 posted on 07/20/2014 8:33:16 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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Thx, guys, very much.


36 posted on 07/20/2014 8:35:00 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: jjotto

Adding to what I said earlier, Harry Reid has not allowed the Senate to vote on hardly anything, to avoid letting the GOP bring up amendments that would pin down how individual Dem Senators voted.

That would end. As individual spending bills went through both the House and the Senate, Democrats would be forced to vote on many issues that they currently don’t want to vote on, putting them on the record as opposing issues that their constituents favor, or forcing them to align with their constituents.

This, alone, would illustrate the tremendous shift to the far left that the Democrat leadership, including most of its Senators, has undergone over the past decade or so. It’s my belief that the Democratic leadership is so far to the left of the average American that the party won’t survive such exposure unless it modifies many of its current stances.


37 posted on 07/20/2014 8:37:23 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He has shown his answer to this question many times. He has no intention of challenging Obama in any meaningful way.


38 posted on 07/20/2014 8:40:04 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Norseman

The question being clarified is whether the House can act unilaterally. It can’t as regards spending, which is contrary to what the author of the article seems to imply.


39 posted on 07/20/2014 8:42:34 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Jabba the Nutt

To paraphrase General Patton, I’d rather have the Democrats in front of us than the Republicans behind us. lol


40 posted on 07/20/2014 8:43:00 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Vermont Lt

>>Nothing will get done until after January. And even then Obama will just veto everything that comes his way.<<

I know people in here have a pretty low opinion of Representative Boehner and Senator McConnell, but one thing they do have is a good grasp of the mechanics of their offices.

As I said in the extended post above, it will be possible to structure spending bills in such a way that it will put both President Obama and Congressional Democrats in a very uncomfortable position should he consider vetoing them. And with control of both the House and Senate, they could do it.

With one caveat: The Senate GOP should follow Reid’s lead and scrap the current filibuster rule altogether. Australia just dropped its carbon tax, a tremendous turnaround of policy, but only 55% of its Senate voted to do so. If they’d have had our Senate filibuster policy, the turnaround wouldn’t have been possible.


41 posted on 07/20/2014 8:45:55 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Mark Levin, among others, has been pounding on this point forever. But he knows that Boehner won't do anything, because he hasn't done anything. So he's been lambasting Boehner forever. And Boehner deserves it.

The only good to come from all of this is that the battle between the Tea Party and the GOP-e is now out in the open.

42 posted on 07/20/2014 8:47:33 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SeekAndFind

No way - all the Dims need to do is put $1 dollar of worthwhile/needed funding request into a $100 billion bill and the Repubs will wet all over themselves passing it instead of insisting that necessary spending be put in its own bill instead of riding a monstrosity to the taxpayers’ pockets.


43 posted on 07/20/2014 8:53:23 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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>>The question being clarified is whether the House can act unilaterally. It can’t as regards spending, which is contrary to what the author of the article seems to imply.<<

But the House can act unilaterally in the sense the author of the article proposes. If they don’t pass a spending bill, the government shuts down. However, the House did pass such a bill, and the current CR now extends past the election, so the only sensible discussion of his proposal would assume a post-election scenario, which is what I did.

He also stated: “Boehner seems … chilly to that idea. Any theories why? Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why, four months before an election, he doesn’t want to commit to a new, protracted government shutdown..”

In stating that, he was apparently unaware that a budget has already been passed. As for the guess on a theory as to why Boehner doesn’t want to risk a shutdown, the answer is two-part: 1) He can’t; the budget is already in effect, and 2) We’ve seen how the GOP gets beat up when they threaten a shutdown under current circumstances. At least the last time around they got the sequester, but only by being willing to temporarily gut the military budget. (At least I hope it’s temporary.)


44 posted on 07/20/2014 8:54:35 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Norseman

I think you have a correct take on the author’s proposal. Not everyone, including those supposedly in the know, does understand the situation.

Note my first comment in post #4.


45 posted on 07/20/2014 9:00:36 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Norseman

And with control of both the House and Senate, they [Republicans] could do it.

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They COULD, but will they? I’m not sure they have the resolve. The Republican “leadership” is long on talk but very short on action.


46 posted on 07/20/2014 9:11:07 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind
The third option is to simply cut off his funding.

I am assuming that means "all his funding" and an excellent idea....wonder if the is an Obama EO preventing that very act...

47 posted on 07/20/2014 9:26:00 AM PDT by yoe (Race.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Will you use the power of the purse to stop Obama’s executive power grabs?

This would be akin to asking a total PACIFIST if he were going to use an AK-47 to bring about peace.

Bonehead will do his usual posturing number then NOTHING.

48 posted on 07/20/2014 9:43:42 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
"The only good to come from all of this is that the battle between the Tea Party and the GOP-e is now out in the open."

To clarify your remark, do you mean the "Karl Roves" of the GOP? The Elitists and talking heads like O'Reilly or Bernie Goldberg? Many real conservatives belong to the Republican Party as well as supporters of the Tea Party....what makes you think all are in a battle? You sound like you believe all the MSM has been dishing out.

49 posted on 07/20/2014 9:44:04 AM PDT by yoe (Race.)
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To: yoe

-— To clarify your remark, do you mean the “Karl Roves” of the GOP? The Elitists and talking heads like O’Reilly or Bernie Goldberg? -—

Yes. Basically, I divide the Republicans into the Tea Party and the Establishment.


50 posted on 07/20/2014 9:58:27 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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