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MH17 crash: Rebels load bodies onto refrigerated trains
The Times of India ^ | July 20, 2014 | AP

Posted on 07/20/2014 6:49:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

HRABOVE: Armed rebels forced emergency workers to hand over all 196 bodies recovered from the Malaysia Airlines crash site and then had them loaded onto refrigerated train cars bound for a rebel-held city, Ukrainian officials and monitors said on Sunday....

Nataliya Khuruzhaya, a duty officer at the train station in Torez, 15 kilometers (9 miles) from the crash site, said she saw emergency workers loading plane victims' bodies on Sunday morning into five sealed, refrigerated train cars.

She said the train was scheduled to head to the town of Ilovaysk, 35 kilometers (22 miles) further east toward the Russian border, but no instructions had been given about when it would leave or any possible destinations beyond Ilovaysk.

Russian news agencies said the bodies were heading to the rebel stronghold of Donetsk.

Ukrainian officials say they expect to have the bodies eventually delivered to government-held city of Kharkiv, but it's unclear if the rebels will agree to do so.

Earlier, Ukrainian emergency ministry spokeswoman Nataliya Bystro said recovery workers in the rebel-held territory were forced to give the bodies to the armed gunmen and didn't know where they were going....

The US state department described the rebels' refusal to give monitors a full access to the site "an affront to all those who lost loved ones and to the dignity the victims deserve."

Despite the restrictions seen by journalists and observers at the crash site, separatist leader Alexander Borodai insisted Saturday the rebels have not in any way interfered with the work of observers....

Putin and Merkel agreed on Saturday in a phone call that an independent commission led by the International Civil Aviation Organization should be granted swift access to the crash site.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofindia.indiatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; malaysia; mh17; netherlands; ukraaine; ukraine
So the Russian rebels, leaders, and collaborators claim that everything will be turned over to the ICAO --
1 posted on 07/20/2014 6:49:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Why the big rush? They didn’t allow them to be completely turned into dust yet.


2 posted on 07/20/2014 6:51:12 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Uncle Chip
"an affront to all those who lost loved ones and to the dignity the victims deserve."

So, uh...what do the governments of the Oh So Powerful West plan to do about it?

A bunch of thugs just shot down a passenger airliner - a terrorist act - and are now hijacking the bodies of their victims - while the pathetic globs of jelly in Europe and the U.S. wring their hands and weep.

They act, we hide.

3 posted on 07/20/2014 6:57:33 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator

It’s tough to do anything when Angela Merkel sides with Putin —


4 posted on 07/20/2014 7:05:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Regulator

Point of order. European leaders wring their hands and weep. Our ruler simply doesn’t care enough to do so.


5 posted on 07/20/2014 7:07:24 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Uncle Chip

I didn’t realize that to be a Russian separatist you had to be a necrophiliac.


6 posted on 07/20/2014 7:07:30 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Uncle Chip

My response to Merkel would be a simple ultimatum. Live with our troops and funding or live with the Russian oil. make your choice and you only have two minutes to get back to me with an answer.


7 posted on 07/20/2014 7:08:54 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: ConservativeMind

Just doing what they do best — taking hostages.


8 posted on 07/20/2014 7:15:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
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"196" bodies ?

I thought there were 295 aboard the aircraft.


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9 posted on 07/20/2014 7:16:15 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: mazda77
How does the us get to be "holier than thou"? We created ISIS by arming rebels and thinking they'd do what the US told them to do. Boka Haran most likely got weapons from destilized Libya and Egypt. Why aren't we condemning Goodluck Johnson, that excuse for a President. And oh, yeay, then tere's the Saudi Arabia situation. Did the US strongly condemn them because the 911 terrorist were all from there?

I hdespise selective rage.

10 posted on 07/20/2014 7:18:08 AM PDT by grania
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Recovered so far.


11 posted on 07/20/2014 7:21:22 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: mazda77

This optics here don’t look good for her — immediately after sanctions are levelled against Russia, she is seen sitting next Putin at the World Cup, and then this.


12 posted on 07/20/2014 7:21:32 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

SO what are the odds that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
was shot down and covered up?
Haven’t seen any speculation of this nature, but it would explain a lot.


13 posted on 07/20/2014 7:24:43 AM PDT by jonose
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To: jonose
SO what are the odds

None -- unless they make floatable BUK launchers.

14 posted on 07/20/2014 7:28:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Patton@Bastogne

298 is latest I’ve seen as an onboard number. Bodies are scattered over
a wide area so it will take time to find/gather them all.

This body came through the roof of a house:

http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/ukraine-plane-crash/mh17-victims-body-crashed-through-roof-ukraine-village-n159386


15 posted on 07/20/2014 7:30:09 AM PDT by deport
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To: Uncle Chip
immediately after sanctions are levelled against Russia, she is seen sitting next Putin at the World Cup, and then this.

Frau Merkel grew up with the Stasi - I would think Putin probably knows more about her than her husband does...

16 posted on 07/20/2014 7:39:13 AM PDT by eldoradude (How many republicrats/demoblicans does it take to change a light bulb?)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

A number were blown to bits


17 posted on 07/20/2014 7:40:21 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: jonose

370 was deliberately set off course and altitude. What happened after the transponder was turned off is pretty much a guess

Since not a single piece of floating wreckage was found, IMO it crashed on land in a remote area, landed somewhere or sank intact


18 posted on 07/20/2014 8:12:26 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Uncle Chip

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/live-ukraine-rebels-to-give-mh17-black-boxes-to-international-civil-aviation-organisation_948717.html


19 posted on 07/20/2014 8:15:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Chip

this incident is one big pile of festering doodoo! stories from all sides have changed multiple times, you see a completely obliterated pile of jet parts and then toy see a pile of untouched MINT condition passports that come from the same pile?????? i don’t think so! news crews can go right to front lines and take pics and video but investigators can’t???? mmmhmmmm yea right! SOMEBODY WANTS A WAR WITH RUSSIA!

Mike


20 posted on 07/20/2014 8:24:20 AM PDT by MikeinMotley
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To: Sacajaweau
Ukraine rebels to give MH17 black boxes to International Civil Aviation Organisation

What's funny about this is that is that this was a decision that Putin and Merkel worked out and as of the day of the shootdown the ICAO was still recognizing that area over Donetsk as a safe fly zone.

This is curious --

21 posted on 07/20/2014 8:26:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MikeinMotley

It just got worse:

There was no immediate word on the bodies of the 102 other plane victims, but Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, said some bodies have likely been incinerated without a trace.

http://news.yahoo.com/rebels-mh17-black-boxes-aviation-group-122858886—finance.html


22 posted on 07/20/2014 9:05:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: grania

People are upset that their loved ones are being treated like an animal corpse on its way to a taxidermy.
This has nothing to do with ISIS, or any other groups or nations on your list of western wrongs.
Try to stay focused


23 posted on 07/20/2014 9:41:00 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Uncle Chip

~It’s tough to do anything when Angela Merkel sides with Putin —~

Merkel spent some time in Moscow when she was a teen. She won some grant from them at the time as a Communist Youth member who was really good in Russian language and Soviet cultural studies.


24 posted on 07/20/2014 9:50:16 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: nuconvert

A number were blown to bits

but a pile of PAPER passports, untouched, not burnt, not charred, all intact, mint condition, like brand new, emerges from the rubble... :/ the needle on my BS meter is about off the gauge!

Mike


25 posted on 07/20/2014 9:54:50 AM PDT by MikeinMotley
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To: Uncle Chip

The US and NATO should have secured the crash site with special forces and imposed a no-fly-zone over the immediate area. But, our leadership is too feckless to do this.


26 posted on 07/20/2014 9:56:13 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: reefdiver
I am focused. As I focus, what I'm hearing is selective outrage. I'm focused on military weapons ending up with those who are irresponsible with them. Like the Ukranian "special troops" slaughtering civilians at an unarmed checkpoint Easter eve. Where was the rage when people were burned alive in a building or when Pali children were slaughtered playing on a beach? I haven't hear ONE WORD about ISIS this week. And yeah, that is part of being focused.....those ISIS maniacs have weapons the US provided to them.

Everything about the situation is horrible.

I'm focused on the very bad and perhaps irreversible path global domination forces are on.

27 posted on 07/20/2014 10:10:10 AM PDT by grania
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To: jonose
So what are the odds that MA 370 was shot down and then covered up?

Increased, I'd say. We've learned that MA has been willing to fly in dangerous areas to save some fuel.

28 posted on 07/20/2014 10:12:33 AM PDT by grania
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To: MikeinMotley

Adjust your bs meter......

If the missile(s) struck the plane where people were sitting, they were blown to bits.

The fire seemed to occur afer impact with the ground. That’s why there were parts of the plane that didn’t burn. The unburned parts blew off the plane as it was intially blown apart & as it was descending.

btw - though there are passengers who contacted the ground in one piece, people on the ground reported body parts all over.


29 posted on 07/20/2014 10:27:50 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Uncle Chip

Russia, the last defender of Christendom. Onward Christian Rebels!


30 posted on 07/20/2014 10:42:16 AM PDT by sagar
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To: grania
We've learned that MA has been willing to fly in dangerous areas to save some fuel.

like 15+ other airlines and their 300 airliners whose routes were approved by the ICAO and Eurocontrol.

Any airspace is dangerous if the people below you have SAMs and that then means the entire nation of Russia is dangerous.

31 posted on 07/20/2014 10:50:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: grania

I suppose situational awareness and strategy are a new concept to you or is it just that you have this issue about chewing bubble gum and walking at the same time.


32 posted on 07/20/2014 11:19:05 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Uncle Chip

You seem to infer that I am defensing her. Just the opposite, make your choice of one side or the other and she has very little time to make that decision. One way she pisses off the German people, the other way she pisses off the German people.

My Uncle who lives in Wolfrathausen who is a German citizen flew the American flag during the World Cup. Does that give you a small indication?


33 posted on 07/20/2014 11:22:29 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Uncle Chip
None -- unless they make floatable BUK launchers.

They are called ships.

34 posted on 07/20/2014 11:32:01 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: mazda77

I didn’t infer that at all —


35 posted on 07/20/2014 11:33:01 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: varyouga

>370 was deliberately set off course and altitude
Really? and the center fuel tank just exploded?


36 posted on 07/20/2014 6:31:49 PM PDT by jonose
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