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13 soldiers killed overnight in fierce Gaza fighting [Israel and Hamas]
The Times of Israel ^ | Sunday, July 20, 2014 | Mitch Gimsburg

Posted on 07/20/2014 9:48:59 AM PDT by Star Traveler

Thirteen soldiers were killed overnight when they encountered fierce resistance fighting in the dense urban environment of Gaza City, the IDF announced Sunday evening.

The central battle began when an anti-tank missile fired from within a Gaza building struck an Israeli armored personnel carrier, killing seven soldiers from the 13th battalion of the Golani Brigade, the army said.

The ambush, supported by machine gun fire, took place in the Shejaiya neighborhood of Gaza City, in the northern part of the 40-kilometer-long Strip.

In the ensuing fighting, an unspecified number of soldiers were wounded, including Col. Ghassan Elian, the commander of the Golani Brigade, whose wound was deemed light to moderate.

The army did not immediately release for publication the names of the soldiers who were killed. The families were informed earlier on Sunday. At least two of the Israeli soldiers killed were dual US-Israel nationals, according to IDF officials. All the 13 fatalities were from the Golani Brigade, the army said.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; starisrael
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It's starting to cost Israel some soldier's lives, now!
1 posted on 07/20/2014 9:48:59 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Wonder what kind of weapon?


2 posted on 07/20/2014 9:53:30 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

RPG.


3 posted on 07/20/2014 9:54:11 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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itz time to take the gloves off....


4 posted on 07/20/2014 9:54:37 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Star Traveler
Wonder how many Hamas being introduced to their 72 virgins.
5 posted on 07/20/2014 9:54:44 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Not enough.


6 posted on 07/20/2014 10:03:19 AM PDT by dontBSme
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To: dontBSme

Agreed!


7 posted on 07/20/2014 10:04:28 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Star Traveler

I get the feeling they are really going to be cleaning house over there. Looks like they found the anthill and are going to kick some major a$$ the likes of which we have not seen in decades.


8 posted on 07/20/2014 10:05:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: dhs12345

There have been more than the number of Israeli soldiers, at least.


9 posted on 07/20/2014 10:07:08 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: cuban leaf

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that they’re going after the tunnels.


10 posted on 07/20/2014 10:09:04 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Just an RPG? I could see that if the shooter hung out a window and shot the top of the vehicle.


11 posted on 07/20/2014 10:10:17 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Star Traveler

The IDF says two of the soldiers were US citizens!


12 posted on 07/20/2014 10:11:55 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Israel doesn’t like having that many of its people killed. Per capita, it’s like us losing 650 people in a single day of combat.

They will now fight a bit less “carefully”.


13 posted on 07/20/2014 10:17:20 AM PDT by BobL
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To: USNBandit

Yup, That the way it’s done in urban warfare. UW is the pure Hell of this mess usually lots of KIA and WIA’s and little gained.


14 posted on 07/20/2014 10:17:59 AM PDT by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2014!)
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To: Star Traveler

Pull back and Vaporize the lot of them, and be done with it.


15 posted on 07/20/2014 10:20:33 AM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: Star Traveler

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that they’re going after the tunnels.


Yes. Yes he does.


16 posted on 07/20/2014 10:28:34 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: JamesA

Israel doesn’t commit war crimes, despite the lies that Hamas says (in that Israel does).

PM: Fewer Gaza deaths had citizens heeded IDF call [Israel and Hamas]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3182762/posts


17 posted on 07/20/2014 10:31:04 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

I know this sounds bad, but I am glad. It means the IDF have found the fighters and can start really killing people responsible, not just the bystanders who Hamas tries to use as human shields. The closer you get to the real center, the harder are going to be the winds that buffet. Keep going and get them. God is for you, who can be against you.


18 posted on 07/20/2014 10:38:43 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: USNBandit
Best attack point is an urban environment. Probably not enough room to touch off a more exotic system like a an AT variant. Modern RPG’s are very accurate in trained hands. many Abrams were damaged in Iraq (no main hull penetrations) by RPG’s. An APC with little top protection is very vulnerable from above attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams#Iraq_War

19 posted on 07/20/2014 10:45:09 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: BobL

We have been praying for the brave young Israeli soldiers and for the people of Israel. This is not a six day war, but I hope their triumphant can come quickly.


20 posted on 07/20/2014 10:46:18 AM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: Star Traveler

Killing terrorists is a war crime?


21 posted on 07/20/2014 11:05:36 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Star Traveler

Level it —


22 posted on 07/20/2014 11:07:58 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Star Traveler

Prayers to the brave IDF soldiers who pay the ultimate sacrifice, give them strength to demolish the terrorist’s tunnels and the vermin which inhabit them, Amen...


23 posted on 07/20/2014 11:15:52 AM PDT by Geronimo
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To: lulu16

Amen.


24 posted on 07/20/2014 11:20:28 AM PDT by BobL
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To: TigersEye

Israel makes a distinction between killing Hamas and any other Islamic terrorist operatives, versus killing Palestinian civilians. In fact the IDF even posts videos showing where they stop an action based on seeing a Palestinian civilian who got in the way. Israel ADVERTISES to the entire world that they should NOT BELIEVE THE LIES that Hamas propagates that the IDF indiscriminately kills Palestinian civilians and doesn’t care about them.


25 posted on 07/20/2014 11:23:44 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Uncle Chip

Israel doesn’t commit war crimes, despite the lies that Hamas says (in that Israel does).

PM: Fewer Gaza deaths had citizens heeded IDF call [Israel and Hamas]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3182762/posts


26 posted on 07/20/2014 11:24:16 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Levelling Gaza or parts thereof is not a war crime —


27 posted on 07/20/2014 11:26:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Star Traveler

Give me a break! The people of Gaza elected and re-elected terrorists to lead them. They are all terrorists.


28 posted on 07/20/2014 11:28:13 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Israel would consider it to be so, and others would consider it to be so. All you have to do is listen to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and you’ll see he argues VERY STRONGLY about how “MORAL” the IDF is, as an army, and rightfully so. Netanyahu uses EXAMPLES of what Israel does to avoid collateral damage to Palestinian civilians and so does the IDF too - to COUNTERACTS THE LIES that Israel indiscriminately allows Palestinian civilians to be killed.

Anyone who PROMOTES the exact same thing that Hamas says that Israel is doing, is helping Hamas in their propaganda lies against Israel.


29 posted on 07/20/2014 11:31:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: TigersEye

You better talk to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, all the Israeli Ambassadors around the world in other countries and to the IDF and it’s generals - because they ALL very strongly argue AGAINST THE PROPAGANDA LIES that Israel does target or even should target Palestinian civilians.

You’re talking to the wrong person here ... you’ll have to talk to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, all the Israeli Ambassadors around the world, the IDF and its general and officers, because THEY are the ones you have an argument with.

As for me, I fully support Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the IDF - fully!


30 posted on 07/20/2014 11:36:40 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

You can promote that mush-headed nonsense until the cows come home and lace it with implied insults based on straw men but it doesn’t change the fact that they are all terrorists.


31 posted on 07/20/2014 11:38:03 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Star Traveler

That’s not true — Israel engages in needed urban renewal all the time.

The only reason they don’t do it here is that most of the insurgents and missiles are underground.

But when my soldiers are dying in door to door fighting, then prudence says LEVEL IT and bury the rats.


32 posted on 07/20/2014 11:38:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

There’s a difference between leveling Gaza (as you said) versus, going into a neighborhood, where the IDF has identified to the Palestinian civilians and told them to move out of that neighborhood for their safety.

The goal here, for the IDF, as said by Prime Minister Benjamin over the last few days is for the IDF to find the tunnels and then to thoroughly destroy them. That’s what they are doing right now in their operation.


33 posted on 07/20/2014 11:44:41 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: TigersEye

And it doesn’t change the fact that Israel rejects LIES like that which are leveled upon Israel.

I’ll go with what Israel says - and DOES - and not with the lies that Hamas promotes.


34 posted on 07/20/2014 11:47:33 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

What lies are you talking about?


35 posted on 07/20/2014 11:50:50 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Star Traveler

It has already been done for all of northern Gaza — they sent leaflets around in northern Gaza and told everyone to get out for their own safety. Northern Gaza is a ghost town right now except for tunnel rats.


36 posted on 07/20/2014 11:51:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

And that’s fine, as Israel did give warning for the Palestinian civilians to leave for their safety. However, that’s not “leveling Gaza” ... :-) ...


37 posted on 07/20/2014 11:53:05 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: TigersEye

The lies that Israel targets ALL PEOPLE in these areas, and that Israel does not care or take measures to avoid Palestinian civilian casualties, and that Israel treats EVERYONE there as terrorists. Those are the lies that Israel refutes and refutes very strongly.


38 posted on 07/20/2014 11:55:44 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

It = northern Gaza


39 posted on 07/20/2014 11:55:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Star Traveler

It = northern Gaza


40 posted on 07/20/2014 11:55:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Star Traveler

They better go after the people who did this AND the tunnels now


41 posted on 07/20/2014 11:56:05 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Star Traveler
The lies that Israel targets ALL PEOPLE in these areas, ...

I didn't say that they did I said that they should so that's just another straw man you're throwing out there.

42 posted on 07/20/2014 11:57:25 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: TaMoDee

It’s much better to shower the urban area with 155 mm howitzer rounds from several miles away.


43 posted on 07/20/2014 11:59:35 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: TigersEye

Anyone who says Israel SHOULD DO what Israel DENIES it does, and that they SHOULD DO what the Islamic Terrorists lie about and say that Israel does — is doing nothing but working against Israel and it telling the truth and helping the Islamic Terrorist propaganda!


44 posted on 07/20/2014 12:15:25 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Uncle Chip

Post #27 ... “leveling Gaza” ...


45 posted on 07/20/2014 12:17:39 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Uncle Chip

When Hitlerjugende took potshots at GIs from homes, the Army leveled the building. No [fornicating] questions asked. If the IDF fought like the Americans in Normandy, not one building in Gaza would be standing today.


46 posted on 07/20/2014 12:22:02 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I don’t think the Geneva Convection precludes counterbattery fire, and if Israel employed from day one, this would have been over long ago.


47 posted on 07/20/2014 12:23:55 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Star Traveler

Mush-headed nonsense.


48 posted on 07/20/2014 12:35:41 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Star Traveler

You must be awfully bored and lonely to argue such nonsense —


49 posted on 07/20/2014 1:28:50 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: TigersEye
Very true. There is nothing peaceful about a city full of Muslims, they all
worship their God of death the same. The peaceful ones are just soldiers lying
in wait for their Jihad orders. History proves it.
50 posted on 07/20/2014 1:34:20 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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