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Ukraine Rebels Claim To Have Black Boxes, Have Moved Bodies To Trains [West Paralyzed!]
CBSNews ^ | July 20, 2014

Posted on 07/20/2014 10:16:51 AM PDT by Steelfish

July 20, 2014 Ukraine Rebels Claim To Have Black Boxes, Have Moved Bodies To Trains

DONETSK, Ukraine - Rebels have recovered the black boxes from downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 and will hand them over to the International Civil Aviation Organization, a rebel leader said Sunday.

This still, taken from a Reuters video shot Friday, July 18, apparently shows emergency workers locating one of the black boxes. REUTERS Alexander Borodai also said the bodies recovered from the crash site in eastern Ukraine would remain in refrigerated train cars at a station in the rebel-held town of Torez until the arrival of an international aviation delegation.

Ukraine and the separatists accuse each other of firing a surface-to-air missile Thursday at Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 as it flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur some 33,000 feet above the battlefields of eastern Ukraine. Both deny shooting down the plane. All those onboard the flight - 283 passengers and 15 crew - were killed.

In another sign pointing to rebel, and Russian, responsibility for the shoot down, U.S. intelligence has detected movement of SA-11 surface-to-air-missiles - the same type responsible for downing the airliner - from rebel-held areas of Ukraine into Russian territory, CBS News chief national security correspondent David Martin reports.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17

1 posted on 07/20/2014 10:16:51 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

This is not news. What matters is how much the One collected at the latest fundraiser.


2 posted on 07/20/2014 10:29:06 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98

Isn’t he on vacation?


3 posted on 07/20/2014 10:30:50 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Steelfish

A strong leader would have sent in special forces to secure the crash site, lock down the airspace, and find the black boxes... Oh wait, Vladimir Putin did just that!


4 posted on 07/20/2014 10:33:42 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: moovova

It’s depends on what the meaning of “vacation” is.

Using the official definition from the regime, it doesn’t start until Aug 9th.

Rama-lama-ding-dong-dam doesn’t end until July 28.


5 posted on 07/20/2014 10:34:28 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: madprof98

We,The United States of America,have as our”Leader”,a former”Community-Organizer”from the Filthy,Chicago Political Machine(otherwise known as The DemonRats)!I will never forget what one “movie-critic”said of Ryan O’Neill’s portrayal of”Jumpin’ Jim Gavin(82nd AirBorne Division C.O)”in the movie”A Bridge Too Far”:”I Wouldn’t Follow Him Into A Men’s Room”!!!Now that we (as Americans)have thoroughly”Assuaged”our collective”White Guilt”,here we are with Barack Hussein Obama as “Our Leader”!!!!Anybody ready to follow him into a”men’s Room”???As the Late,Great Sam Goldwyn used to say:”Include Me Out”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 07/20/2014 10:41:25 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Steelfish

I don’t know why anyone would think its a good idea to push Obama to “Do something”.

Every other time he’s done something its ended up with dead Americans, imprisoned Americans, or the loss of allies.


7 posted on 07/20/2014 10:42:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Thunder90

You want us to commit our forces in a sovereign nation for what purpose?


8 posted on 07/20/2014 10:57:28 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Steelfish

These 1196 are the chosen frozen staying in a refrigerated boxcar until Putin decides whether or not to allow the other 38 that the Russian rebels whisked away to join them.

This is Putin’s Green Giant moment —


9 posted on 07/20/2014 11:03:58 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: nascarnation

I was thinking Camp David.

But you are correct...the Obama’s don’t consider that vacationing because it doesn’t cost the taxpayers a quadzillion dollars.


10 posted on 07/20/2014 11:04:14 AM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova
Isn’t he on vacation?

He's at Camp David, presumably providing some special services for some key billionaire donors.

11 posted on 07/20/2014 11:07:29 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Steelfish

Not paralyzed — “flexible.”


12 posted on 07/20/2014 11:16:06 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Steelfish
It's clear that Obama simply does not care about this atrocity, but worse, Americans don't care. And it's not just the stupid lazy Americans who voted for Obama who don't care, but it's also many of those who oppose Obama that don't care. Just read the comments here. Every time an article is posted about the threat posed by the mass murderer KGB Putin, a gang of brainless knee jerk idiots pops up and says, “Obama is the real threat!,” as if the two threats are mutually exclusive. These idiots simply don't care how Obama’s weakness is endangering us all, because they are so paralyzed with fear by Obama himself.
13 posted on 07/20/2014 11:24:16 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: moovova
Isn’t he on vacation?

I certainly hope so.

14 posted on 07/20/2014 11:26:33 AM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Steelfish

Who cares? Obama's buddies on Wall Street and the 1% are doing just fine.

15 posted on 07/20/2014 11:40:36 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama and Putin are two peas in a pod (although the latter is a professional, and the former an amateur). People really need to understand that it’s not about one “over” the other.


16 posted on 07/20/2014 11:45:59 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Thunder90

In light of the recent Malaysia Airlines tragedies (one missing, one brought down by the Russians) I completed a project I began some time ago to remind us of an earlier Russian involved murder of hundreds of innocents. Will someone please remind obozo that it’s still a jungle out there!
(It’s a short 8 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTgCIrUeuh0&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw


17 posted on 07/20/2014 1:13:24 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Common sense. Not the fake kind.


18 posted on 07/20/2014 1:14:53 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Thunder90

Hey, Obama was being flexible. He really doesn’t want to do much anyway other than getting those Europeans to go for stronger sanctions. After all, i am sure he promising them what they will lose when they sanction Putin.Problem probably is that they don’t believe him. Who does? Truth is, they just might get it. But Americans can’t.


19 posted on 07/20/2014 1:18:13 PM PDT by dforest
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To: 1rudeboy
Obama and Putin are two peas in a pod (although the latter is a professional, and the former an amateur). People really need to understand that it’s not about one “over” the other.

And some people fail to realize that because of that fact, MAD is no longer in play. Only we die if you mishandle confronting Putin now.

You need to go beyond knee jerk recognition of a situation and realize what that situation actually entails. How can you confront Putin when you are being led by a stooge of Putin ?

The future of the Free World belongs in the hands of Israel and Poland now. Unless of course you GOP-E's are gonna let someone Putin respects be President. And Putin wont respect Romney or Jeb or Christy or McCain.

20 posted on 07/20/2014 1:33:20 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Thunder90; Durus; Dick Bachert
"A strong leader would have sent in special forces to secure the crash site, lock down the airspace, and find the black boxes..."

The only nation in the area which had the capability of doing what you have suggested is Ukraine. Had Ukraine tried to secure the crash site, it would have suffered a lot of casualties and loss of equipment long before the crash site could have been considered secure. In the end, the crash site would have been blended in with the residue of military damage, with no guarantee that the black boxes would have been recovered, and with a certainty that the "crime scene" evidence which needed to be preserved would have been rendered useless. In short, a lot lives and equipment would have been expended to accomplish nothing.

21 posted on 07/20/2014 1:38:11 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: justa-hairyape
Unless of course you GOP-E's . . . .

Next time, place that part of your comment near the top so that I can ignore what follows.

22 posted on 07/20/2014 1:45:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Enterprise
At this point, the flight data recorders are really not necessary. It becomes more obvious with each passing day that the Russian backed separatists accidentally pulled the trigger on MH17. Their screw-up is Putin's worst nightmare and may — with some luck — bring the Europeans closer to penning him in.
23 posted on 07/20/2014 2:11:57 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: 1rudeboy

Post more Time articles and show everyone what great conservatives you are.


24 posted on 07/20/2014 2:33:01 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Dick Bachert
At this point, the flight data recorders are really not necessary. It becomes more obvious with each passing day that the Russian backed separatists accidentally pulled the trigger on MH17. Their screw-up is Putin's worst nightmare and may — with some luck — bring the Europeans closer to penning him in.

What is obvious does not matter. We must keep piling on the pressure. Everyone must hate Putin and be racist towards all Russians. How could we ever enter into another Cold War, if we were not ? And the sad part is, Putin would love another cold war. In fact he is already laying the ground work within Russia. Denying press freedoms. Jailing activists. All coming to America thanks to Putin's pal Obama and the GOP-E.

25 posted on 07/20/2014 2:37:31 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Dick Bachert
I agree. While the black boxes might show the obvious, that the plane suffered catastrophic failures, they wouldn't show what type of missile was fired, where it was fired from, or who fired it. Crucial information would have to come from preserving the crime scene, and given the current situation, that would have been impossible.

Just musing here, but suppose ANWR, and many other oil exploration, development, and transportation projects like KEYSTONE had regularly been approved. Russia might threaten Europe with a cutoff of energy supplies, and Europe could immediately turn to the U.S. with no disruption to their needs. The impact on Russia would be severe, instead of being severe to Europe.

26 posted on 07/20/2014 2:39:05 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Steelfish
Slightly off-topic, but I've been wondering lately what could possibly explain Obama's actions on all fronts of late. The way I see it, it's one of the following:

1. Obama is a complete mediocrity - an empty suit. He's in way over his head and when he doesn't know what else to do, he goes into the only thing he does well - his campaign and fund-raise song and dance.

2. Obama is a deeply committed leftist who hates the United States and is using his power, gained through lies and media manipulation, to destroy the United States as the world's sole super power.

3. Obama is being blackmailed with kompromat, probably Russian, that probably involves deeply embarrassing personal foibles (homosexual escapades, if I were to guess) and probably even some felony political crimes AND/OR is being bribed with large sums of money deposited into foreign bank accounts, probably by Putin himself.

4. All of the above.

I think that the only thing that explains the surrender in Iraq and Afghanistan, the treason of Benghazi, the intentionally-created chaos in Syria and the rise of a new Islamic Caliphate, the humiliating retreat in Ukraine, the gutting of our manned space program, the denial of the Keystone pipeline and drill baby drill - is "D" - all of the above.

27 posted on 07/20/2014 4:55:21 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: justa-hairyape

Piss off. You probably never even paid attention to the articles I post until I posted something critical to your Hero of the Soviet Union.


28 posted on 07/20/2014 6:31:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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