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PM: Fewer Gaza deaths had citizens heeded IDF call [Israel and Hamas]
The Times of Israel ^ | Sunday, July 20, 2014 | Elhanan Miller

Posted on 07/20/2014 10:27:31 AM PDT by Star Traveler

The death toll in Gaza’s Shejaiya neighborhood could have been lower had Hamas allowed residents to leave when they were requested to do so by the IDF, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told BBC Arabic on Sunday.

Days ago, Israel distributed fliers and sent text messages calling on residents of Shejaiya to leave their homes. But Hamas, Netanyahu told the British news channel, forced them to stay home, effectively using them as human shields.

Hamas has displayed photos of mangled bodies lying on the streets of the neighborhood and of the injured being taken to the city’s Shifa hospital.

“I would use this opportunity to speak to the people of Gaza,” Netanyahu told the BBC. “Heed the warnings of the IDF. Leave your homes through the places where you’re told to go. Leave. Don’t stay there, because Hamas wants you to die and you shouldn’t die for Hamas. They don’t care about you, but we want you to be safe,” he said.

Meanwhile, the high death toll in Shejaiya has increased international and Arab calls for an immediate ceasefire and for an international investigation into the fighting.

Arab League Secretary General Nabil Elaraby said Israel had perpetrated “war crimes against civilians” in Gaza. That description was echoed by veteran Egyptian politician Amr Moussa, who called for an international investigation into the events.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; kenyanbornmuzzie; lurch; starisrael; wronginvirginia
Hamas loves getting Palestinian civilians killed because that gives them great PR. Israel, on the other hand, does all it can to avoid collateral damage to Palestinian civilians.
1 posted on 07/20/2014 10:27:31 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler
Israel, on the other hand, does all it can to avoid collateral damage to Palestinian civilians

Which is a formula for perpetual war and eventual defeat.

Israel is by no means alone in this post-1945 fantasy of war that doesn't hurt anybody, but Israel will be the first nation to die from adherence to this foolishness.

Hamas has declared war on Israel. Hamas has promised, in fact, to "open the gates of Hell".

OK. So Hamas has chosen the game, and Hamas has published the rules.

Either Israel takes them at their word, and allows Hell's opened gates to pour fire and brimstone onto Gaza, until Hamas (or it's successor) surrenders unconditionally, OR Israel faces eventual defeat.

2 posted on 07/20/2014 10:33:14 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: Star Traveler

I understand that Israel is giving as much warning as possible to Palestinian civilians. I applaud them for that.

But I have a question (of course) :-)

Where are the civilians to go? The borders are sealed, transportation is limited, and other “towns” are under attack too.

So where? The sea?


3 posted on 07/20/2014 10:37:14 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Star Traveler
Are you kidding?

Life is so horrid as a slave of satanallah, they actually prefer death.

4 posted on 07/20/2014 10:38:53 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Star Traveler



5 posted on 07/20/2014 10:40:00 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

The IDF is not telling the Palestinian civilians to leave the area of Gaza, but only a very small area, as compared to all of Gaza. All they have to do is move slightly out of the way.


6 posted on 07/20/2014 10:41:38 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Are they told where it’s safe to move to? Maybe this would help.

Just saying.


7 posted on 07/20/2014 10:45:06 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I believe they would know where to go to be safe. If allowed to flee.


8 posted on 07/20/2014 10:49:51 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Right_in_Virginia

You’re not serious... You forgot your /s tag maybe?


9 posted on 07/20/2014 10:53:38 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Right_in_Virginia

They’re told to move out of a particular area that the IDF has identified in their leaflets and also I’ve seen maps distributed. So, the IDF is telling the Palestinian civilians if they move out of that identified area, they won’t run into the IDF operation that is going on in that area.

In other words ANYWHERE BUT THERE ... LOL ...


10 posted on 07/20/2014 10:53:59 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Chode

exactly right


11 posted on 07/20/2014 10:54:32 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Jim Noble

I can assure you - without the LEAST DOUBT - of all the nations in the world, Israel won’t go away ... :-) ...


12 posted on 07/20/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

You can ‘fly’ over Gaza in Google maps. There are agricultural areas...its not one hundred percent urban, as John Stewart has led people to believe.

Also - how do Israelis escape rockets? Shelters.

Why doesn’t Hamas build shelters? They build alot of tunnels....but no shters. Odd isnt it.


13 posted on 07/20/2014 11:12:20 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: Star Traveler
Israel did not start this fight; Hamas and militant Palestinians have brought death and destruction on themselves. They were warned. The issue for Israel is existential. When it comes to self-preservation it should set no limits on its options. All Israel's enemies have to do is leave Israel alone and recognize its right to exist.
14 posted on 07/20/2014 11:18:27 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Jim Noble

Basil Liddel Hart warned that no nation can win a war by hugging and cherishing the enemy. If the Hamas families care nothing for their offspring, then neither should the IDF!


15 posted on 07/20/2014 11:24:23 AM PDT by Stepan12
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To: windsorknot

Israel does not “set no limits”. Israel is VERY VOCAL about the extent to which it goes to protect Palestinian civilians against collateral damage.

See this thread for an example of what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says ...

PM: Fewer Gaza deaths had citizens heeded IDF call [Israel and Hamas]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3182762/posts


16 posted on 07/20/2014 11:27:03 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Stepan12
If the Hamas families care nothing for their offspring, then neither should the IDF!

Bad reasoning.

IT DOES NOT MATTER whether or not the Hamas families care about their children.

What matters is that Hamas has declared war, bragged about "opening the gates of Hell", and is quite vocal about their plans over the nation of Israel should they be granted victory in their war.

So...

Hamas has to be defeated. They have to be brought to unconditional surrender, where they VOLUNTARILY and WILLINGLY accept whatever terms Israel wishes to impose, permanently, or, eventually, they will win their war.

I'm quite sure that Japanese families cared about the infants and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki who vanished in the blink of an eye. Ditto the German families of Hamburg and Dresden for the children who vanished into the firestorms.

"War" is the game Hamas wants to play. By refusing, Israel has done nothing but guarantee Hamas' victory.

17 posted on 07/20/2014 11:39:15 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: Star Traveler

My British “friends” over at Facebook are having an orgy of hate over Gaza deaths. The hate is so very real it’s creepy. I don’t have any French or German friends but I’m sure it’s the same with them.


18 posted on 07/20/2014 11:39:30 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

The British and French are very Anti-Semitic and it shows through very clearly in situations like this.


19 posted on 07/20/2014 11:45:37 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

The surviving Palestinians must never forget this. Look at how your own government treats you! They are more interested in photo ops than saving people. They consider you to be plentiful in supply, and as disposable as a dirty Kleenex.
The Israelis tried to warn you, did warn you, but THE PEOPLE YOU VOTED TO LEAD YOU CONSIDER YOUR MANGLED CORPSE FAR MORE USEFUL THAN YOUR CONTINUED HEALTH. The Palestinians most likely cannot sue their government for civil damages the way Americans or Israelis would do.


20 posted on 07/20/2014 12:50:40 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Star Traveler
In other words ANYWHERE BUT THERE ... LOL ...

Sure...laugh out loud funny.

But for the civilians living in Gaza, where is "there"? Where is safe?

The borders are closed, bombs are erupting around them, homes are destroyed, travel is compromised....where is "there"?

21 posted on 07/20/2014 1:10:52 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: samtheman

I’m serious.

I applaud the IDF’s efforts to protect civilians.

Just asking how this realistically translates in real time for civilians.

Thanks.


22 posted on 07/20/2014 1:13:17 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Jim Noble

You are correct that Israel should do what America did in WWII; however, I am thinking of the media and a snappy answer when the enemedia comes calling. We need snappy answers to the smears of the Left until we can explain to people that a slogan is not an argument.


23 posted on 07/20/2014 3:39:44 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Others already answered your concerns. Gaza is bigger than it looks on a map. The strikes are targeted to specific areas and warnings are sent out in advance. If the civilians who have been warned would just leave their homes and walk down the street, they would probably be ok. Certainly the odds go up against just sitting in place reading the leaflets. The reality is, these people don’t move out of the way because they are not ALLOWED to move out of the way, because they are being forced to be sacrificial lambs on the altar of islamic/palestinian filth and degregation by the filthy and degraded islamic thugs who own them like slaves.


24 posted on 07/20/2014 6:09:21 PM PDT by samtheman
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Thanks Star Traveler.


25 posted on 07/21/2014 7:51:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: samtheman

50,000+ homes have been destroyed leaving at least that many to “roam” the streets and fill Red Cross humanitarian locations (ie: schools).

Although I thank you for the geography lesson, I still don’t have an answer to my question.

Where do people with limited resources, with no room at the humanitarian centers, and at least 50,000 people roaming aimlessly, some injured, through the streets GO??


26 posted on 07/21/2014 1:37:38 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I’m really sorry you don’t have an answer to your question. How about this: stop attacking Israel.


27 posted on 07/21/2014 4:40:29 PM PDT by samtheman
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