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Russians Oblivious To Growing Anger Over MH17
sky.com ^ | July 20, 2014 | Katie Stallard

Posted on 07/20/2014 12:05:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

On a busy street in central Moscow, a well-dressed man stands yelling at the crowd: "Don't you understand? There will be a war!"

All around him, people walk by, wholly uninterested. It's a hot summer's day, they're enjoying the sun.

Save for a couple of tourists taking pictures, no-one pays much attention at all.

The friend of a friend who saw this, posted the news on Facebook.

Someone responded with a cartoon of Homer Simpson holding a sign that says "The End is Near".

There are people here who are genuinely concerned about the direction Russia is heading under Vladimir Putin, but they are very much in the minority.

Anyone watching Russian state TV (from which, according to a Levada Centre poll, an estimated 94% of population get their news) would have little idea of the weight of the international outrage building against their leader and the threat of serious sanctions to come.

Instead, they will be treated to a rundown of the "10 questions Ukraine's government must answer", and clips of Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, insisting that any accusation of Russian involvement is "unfounded" and that he "hasn't heard anything truthful from Kiev for months".

This will not surprise viewers who have spent those months listening to condemnation of the "junta" in Kiev, which they have regularly been told is controlled by fascists.

The morning after the crash, some Russian newspapers didn't even cover it.

The official state newspaper, Rossiskaya Gazeta, decided the loss of 298 lives was not its top story, leading instead with an "exclusive investigation" into what Russians eat and drink, the fate of flight MH17 relegated to the bottom of the page.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: globalistagenda; mh17; nwomedia
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1 posted on 07/20/2014 12:05:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

OBLIVIOUS to wrongdoing? That describes team Obama well.


2 posted on 07/20/2014 12:11:20 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sounds exactly like the coverage the NY Times and CNN give Obama.’s failures. Instead of covering the news, they cover up the news.


3 posted on 07/20/2014 12:12:47 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia is basically self-sufficient in resources and can blow any country (including ours) off the map if they need to.

They’ll be fine. They’ll wait out the little temper tantrum from the West and things will return to normal.


4 posted on 07/20/2014 12:14:00 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“The official state newspaper, Rossiskaya Gazeta, decided the loss of 298 lives was not its top story, leading instead with an “exclusive investigation” into what Russians eat and drink.”

Happens EVERY DAY in our media too. Scandals, what scandals? Look at NYT headlines some time. I don’t know about Sky News, but I do know that US news outlets have NOTHING to be proud of in this regard.


5 posted on 07/20/2014 12:16:29 PM PDT by BobL
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To: CivilWarBrewing
OBLIVIOUS to wrongdoing? That describes team Obama well.

Yep.

One team has a strong leader, and wants to expand, one team has a weak leader, and wants to submit.

Classic recipe for war.

6 posted on 07/20/2014 12:16:57 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: BobL

If Russia wants to disappear, the can take on NATO in a war, you seem to forget that we can nuke them back to the stone age.


7 posted on 07/20/2014 12:19:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I doubt Russians think the shooting down of a civilian airliner was intentional.

Very few in the west believe that. What would be the motivation? How would it benefit them?
No way.

Ukraine accidentally shot down a passenger plane in 2001, with little international outrage.

So I imagine the West reaction now seems totally unjust to them.

The warzone over Donetsk/Luhansk is a really tiny portion of Ukraine. It would have been so easy and common sense to direct traffic around the warzone. Instead, Ukraine raised the no-go ceiling to 31,000 feet.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/07/MH%2017%20flight%20paths.png


8 posted on 07/20/2014 12:22:07 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: ansel12

If that happens we also get nuked into the stone age. Mutually assured destruction.


9 posted on 07/20/2014 12:22:39 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: ansel12

“If Russia wants to disappear, the can take on NATO in a war, you seem to forget that we can nuke them back to the stone age.”

Likely true before Obama became president, but we don’t have much left now, and we have NO CLUE as to whether what we’re left with even works anymore.

So I don’t think we want to find out, which makes them useless and Putin knows that.


10 posted on 07/20/2014 12:23:05 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Even if it does work perfectly, does obama have the will to use it?


11 posted on 07/20/2014 12:25:11 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Mount Athos

Certainly looks avoidable to me. But don’t push too hard in that direction, the Cold Warriors here are fired up to blame Putin for a flat tire, much less this downing.


12 posted on 07/20/2014 12:26:00 PM PDT by BobL
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To: null and void

“Even if it does work perfectly, does obama have the will to use it?”

I certainly hope he doesn’t try using them on Russia - we might not like the return volley very much.

Iran, though...that would be fun.


13 posted on 07/20/2014 12:27:10 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Get off it, Obama isn’t president for life and the United States is not the only nation in NATO, and Russia is but a shadow of what it was at it’s peak, before Reagan brought down their empire.


14 posted on 07/20/2014 12:27:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

You certainly have a LOT OF CONFIDENCE in Obama’s military.

I sure don’t, but if it helps you sleep better...


15 posted on 07/20/2014 12:29:34 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

obama will never initiate a war with a muslim country.


16 posted on 07/20/2014 12:29:58 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: null and void

“obama will never initiate a war with a muslim country.”

I will say in his defense that those drone strikes in and around Pakistan are not firecrackers - you don’t want to be on the receiving end. And those are Muslims being blasted.


17 posted on 07/20/2014 12:31:41 PM PDT by BobL
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To: FreedomStar3028

Do you think Putin wants to commit suicide now that their military and empire has been dismantled, their population cut in half, and is ready to take on NATO in the third world war that the Soviet Empire, with it’s massive military might and attack forces like at least 6 Airborne Divisions, it’s great number of Helicopter Assault Brigades and it’s massive number of Assault bridge building units, was afraid to do?


18 posted on 07/20/2014 12:35:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: BobL
Yeah. I saw the photo.

He sure looks in charge, the only thing the cornered fool is missing is a dunce cap.

19 posted on 07/20/2014 12:35:34 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: ansel12
Also NATO is the most powerful military force the world has ever seen. That's why it terrifies Putin. NATO spends more on it's military than the rest of the world put together, over ten times as much as Russia. NATO could squash Russia like a bug.
20 posted on 07/20/2014 12:36:29 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: BobL

Yeah, NATO, which includes the American military.

Your side isn’t as strong as you like to pretend, Reagan defeated you guys when you were at your peak, and you are a long, long, long, way from those days.

Your man has seen how well we deal with Russian weapons and tactics on the battlefield and he has no desire to face that.


21 posted on 07/20/2014 12:38:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Also NATO is the most powerful military force the world has ever seen.

It sure is, and today it includes past enslaved nations and territory and populations of young men, and technological know how that the Russians depended, on as a part of their military might.

22 posted on 07/20/2014 12:42:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Also NATO is the most powerful military force the world has ever seen...NATO spends more on it’s military than the rest of the world put together, over ten times as much as Russia.”

Sure be nice if we got the same bang for the buck...looks pretty close to me.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Military


23 posted on 07/20/2014 12:44:17 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Let’s see how self sufficient they are without access to the international banking system.


24 posted on 07/20/2014 12:44:42 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: BobL

Now compare Russia to the whole 28 nation NATO alliance.


25 posted on 07/20/2014 12:46:49 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Lurker

“Let’s see how self sufficient they are without access to the international banking system.”

Let’s see how self sufficient Europe is without access to Russian oil. Checkmate.


26 posted on 07/20/2014 12:47:31 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Do you know what NATO is?

You linked to a comparison between Russia and a single NATO country, one in which that NATO country massively outclassed Russia.

What is your deal about Russia?


27 posted on 07/20/2014 12:48:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Now compare Russia to the whole 28 nation NATO alliance.”

TOO FUNNY!!!!

Europe couldn’t even hold a candle to Yugoslavia and was forced to come BEGGING to us to bomb the Christians into submission...and that was just after the Cold War ended.


28 posted on 07/20/2014 12:49:37 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

You aren’t serious, you are just trolling and posting whatever nonsense you think of to keep your game going.


29 posted on 07/20/2014 12:52:28 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Anyone familiar with NATO these days realizes that there is only a SINGLE military power in NATO, and I linked to it. The other countries, particularly Britain, France, and to a lesser extent West Germany had some reasonable military capability during the Cold War, but they disarmed as fast as they could afterwards.

Their militaries are nothing more than glorified Peace Corps now.

“What is your deal about Russia?”
I follow their military advancements. You might want to read up on their SA-400 before running off and starting World War 3.


30 posted on 07/20/2014 12:53:25 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Slobodan Milosevic a Christian? No, he was a genocidal mass murdering socialist dictator, and we squashed him like a bug.


31 posted on 07/20/2014 12:54:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ansel12

“You aren’t serious, you are just trolling and posting whatever nonsense you think of to keep your game going.”

Like I say, if it helps you sleep at night...


32 posted on 07/20/2014 12:54:30 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Slobodan Milosevic a Christian? No, he was a genocidal mass murdering socialist dictator, and we squashed him like a bug.”

True, and if I only read what the US media fed me, I’d agree.


33 posted on 07/20/2014 12:55:11 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL
You apparently believe whatever the Russian KGB run media tells you.

You are no different than any other bootlicking Putinista scum.

If you love Russia so much, go there. Stop stinking America up comrade.

34 posted on 07/20/2014 12:58:17 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: BobL

Your pro-Russian nonsense and loyalties are just that, nonsense.

Russia is no match for the NATO, you may want to look at reality before you try to convince us all that Putin is willing to start WWIII for,,,,,what reason was that again?

What is it that you think Putin wants to start WWIII for?

Because their military aggression runs into resistance and world condemnation?

To: Tailgunner Joe
Russia is basically self-sufficient in resources and can blow any country (including ours) off the map if they need to.
They’ll be fine. They’ll wait out the little temper tantrum from the West and things will return to normal.
4 posted on 07/20/2014 12:14:00 PM PDT by BobL


35 posted on 07/20/2014 12:58:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He isn’t serious, this is just his troll game.


36 posted on 07/20/2014 12:59:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

“What is it that you think Putin wants to start WWIII for?”

Where the HELL are you getting that from?

I simply said that Putin will sit back and wait for Obama (and you guys) to get over your tantrum about the plane being downed and things will get back to normal.

Do you REALLY think the outcome will be different?


37 posted on 07/20/2014 1:01:24 PM PDT by BobL
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To: ansel12

“He isn’t serious, this is just his troll game.”

I think that I backed up my points...do you just call everyone a troll when they disagree with you?


38 posted on 07/20/2014 1:02:19 PM PDT by BobL
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To: ansel12
If Russia wants to disappear, the can take on NATO in a war, you seem to forget that we can nuke them back to the stone age.

That is, if obama doesn't decide to go on another "apology tour".

39 posted on 07/20/2014 1:10:03 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

In light of the recent Malaysia Airlines tragedies (one missing, one brought down by the Russians) I completed a project I began some time ago to remind us of an earlier Russian involved murder of hundreds of innocents. Will someone please remind obozo that it’s still a jungle out there!
(It’s a short 8 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTgCIrUeuh0&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw


40 posted on 07/20/2014 1:10:26 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: BobL

“Actually you haven’t backed up anything, and since one of your bizarre troll claims is that the broken and shattered Russia is stronger militarily than the United States, Britain, France, Canada, Germany, and all of the rest of these nations listed.
Albania
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Turkey

Throw that in with your absurd claims that we mist submit to Putin because he might go nuclear, go nuclear over what???

What is bigger today, that is bigger than it was during the Cold War when many of us here were serving in NATO, that requires the free world to submit to this hollow shell of Russia?


41 posted on 07/20/2014 1:12:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: BobL

There is other oil in the world. It’ll be more expensive, but it does exist.


42 posted on 07/20/2014 1:14:05 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: BobL
They’ll be fine. They’ll wait out the little temper tantrum from the West and things will return to normal.

Little temper tantrum? Good grief BobL, is their no depths you will sink to in your support of Putin?

You underestimate how much the media loves these kinds of stories, heck they just barely stopped endless reporting on the other missing Malaysian jet. This is not going to be some "temper tantrum". Putin has blood all over his hands for this and the pressure will continue ratcheting up to finally get Europeans to agree to actual serious sanctions against Putin's Russia.

Russia is basically self-sufficient in resources and can blow any country (including ours) off the map if they need to.

Do you even know what your talking about here? Russia is largely a basketcase with declining populations, rampant alcoholism, sky high abortion rates, etc. They are not self sufficient and if real sanctions are imposed they'd do serious damage to Putin's economy.

As to their military prowess. Russia has lots of nukes, so sure, they could blow up any country just like we can - but that isn't a serious option no matter what the consequences of their role in killing 298 innocent people on a civilian airliner. There is going to be hell to pay for this in the end that will amount to much more than a "temper tantrum". Russian media and people like yourself may not realize the ground will shift around your hero's feet, but it will happen.

43 posted on 07/20/2014 1:16:51 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: ansel12

The sad thing is...you know I’m right.

We ARE NOT going to start WW3 precisely because we have NO IDEA how it will end. We could get our jollies bombing Kosovo and Bosnia into submission, but we’re not about to try our luck against this weapon. No way.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumble-Gargoyle.html

And again, you know the outcome of all this huffing and puffing...nothing changes.


44 posted on 07/20/2014 1:17:30 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Lurker

“There is other oil in the world. It’ll be more expensive, but it does exist.”

Sorry, meant to say natural gas. Importing it elsewhere takes some SERIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE and that takes years to build. They’re stuck.


45 posted on 07/20/2014 1:18:52 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Longbow1969

“Russian media and people like yourself may not realize the ground will shift around your hero’s feet, but it will happen.”

The Europeans couldn’t even hold sanctions on Iraq and Iran, I doubt they’re willing to freeze this winter because of the airplane going down.


46 posted on 07/20/2014 1:21:03 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Longbow1969

“Do you even know what your talking about here? Russia is largely a basketcase with declining populations, rampant alcoholism, sky high abortion rates, etc.”

Actually their social issues are getting much better under Putin, which is one of reasons he’s so popular there.


47 posted on 07/20/2014 1:22:19 PM PDT by BobL
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To: ansel12

Looks like one more hijacked account...


48 posted on 07/20/2014 1:24:07 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: BobL
The sad thing is...you know I’m right.

Yeah, you are a troll, just stirring things up and posting nonsense, there is no hiding it when you start posting like that, while ignoring the facts.

49 posted on 07/20/2014 1:24:46 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Grzegorz 246

He seems desperate for attention, he has been hitting thread after thread with this strange form of attracting attention and reactions.


50 posted on 07/20/2014 1:26:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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