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McCaul raises specter of 'submarine warfare'
thehill.com ^ | July 20, 2014 | Elise Viebeck

Posted on 07/20/2014 1:15:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas) raised the specter of "submarine warfare" from Russia while making comments on the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

McCaul, speaking on CNN, said an impending threat from the Kremlin "could involve submarine warfare" as Russian President Vladimir Putin seeks to regain global power. "Mr. Putin is returning to a Cold War mentality," McCaul said. "You said this nationalistic pride [in Russia], a resurgence to regain the glory of the old days … It's not the Al-Qaeda threat, but it's the threat of brute force."

Russia's role in destabilizing eastern Ukraine appeared to culminate last week when Flight 17 went down in territory controlled by separatists with ties to the Kremlin.

Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday it was "pretty clear" the separatists were responsible with Russian help but he declined to blame the Kremlin for the tragedy.

President Obama has also indirectly tied the crash to Russia.

In contrast, McCaul and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) both squarely blamed Putin on Sunday.

"I think Putin is responsible and complicit for what happened," McCaul said.

Lawmakers' growing candor is likely to put pressure on the Obama administration to give more detail on how it plans to counter Russia's actions in the region.


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1 posted on 07/20/2014 1:15:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sounds so 1930’s doesn’t it?


2 posted on 07/20/2014 1:17:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Don’t worry. We have women and gays on our submarines now. What could possibly go wrong.


3 posted on 07/20/2014 1:17:55 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: GeronL

Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it. This time there are nuclear weapons a-plenty so if someone does something stupid, many will get to pay.


4 posted on 07/20/2014 1:24:12 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.q)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Whose interests does it most serve for the USA to be in conflict with Russia again? I suspect it’s neither Russia nor the USA.


5 posted on 07/20/2014 1:25:57 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Bryanw92

Gays in the navy? Say it ain’t so!


6 posted on 07/20/2014 1:26:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If Putin had any balls he would just roll his army into East Ukraine and take it.


7 posted on 07/20/2014 1:26:52 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Bryanw92

> Don’t worry. We have women and gays on our submarines now. What could possibly go wrong.

At least there won’t be any sexual tension in the air...


8 posted on 07/20/2014 1:33:07 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Trod Upon

If the free world keeps showing weakness to Putin, then we will be in conflict with Russia, in time.


9 posted on 07/20/2014 1:35:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We’d better not go back to the Cold War against the Soviets and Red China. We are no way prepared to defend against them now. LePunk in the Hood in DC has destroyed our military and financial status. We don’t have the money and he is cutting back to pre-WWII military status. The Reds will more than have us out numbered. The thing is, neither of them worry about the number of dead troops like we do. They lose thousands and don’t care. We lose 100 and the press and Congress lose their minds. We don’t have the leadership now to defend the nation. Either on the Hill, in the White House or in the Pentagon.


10 posted on 07/20/2014 1:36:54 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: jsanders2001

Actually if they kept the straight men on base
and just sent the gays and women we would have the
best decorated submarines in the world, and they’d
be clean and fresh smelling too.


11 posted on 07/20/2014 1:37:03 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I don’t think there’s any evidence that Putin was deliberately responsible. It seems very doubtful to me. I think this guys is just talking off the top of his head.


12 posted on 07/20/2014 1:37:21 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Trod Upon

Agree - At this point talking about war with Russia is beyond idiotic.


13 posted on 07/20/2014 1:37:44 PM PDT by QuisCustodiet1776 (Live free or die.)
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To: Bryanw92

“We have women and gays on our submarines now. What could possibly go wrong.”

Bunk the women with the gays! Nothing could go wrong...go wrong...go wrong...


14 posted on 07/20/2014 1:40:40 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Cicero

“I don’t think there’s any evidence that Putin was deliberately responsible.”

‘Ras’Putin is deliberately responsible for the cover-up at the crash sight! He is evil, whether he ordered it shot down or not!

I do believe that a Russian ‘military advisor’ in that part of the Ukraine was directly responsible for downing that airliner. I also believe that Putin was directly responsible for that mobile rocket launcher and rockets to be there in the hands of the Ukraine opposition (they are actually Russians posing as ‘opposition’ in my opinion).


15 posted on 07/20/2014 1:48:20 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

No question that Putin took advantage of the turmoil in the Ukraine (started by Ukrainian activists funded by Soros) to grab Crimea. Crimea used to be Russian until it was given to Ukraine at a time with Russia was too weak to object, and it’s their only direct access to southern waters). But I don’t see any reason whatever why Putin would have engineered shooting down this plane.


16 posted on 07/20/2014 1:53:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I guess we need a beer & wuudka summit.

Angela can provide the bier..
I’m sure Putie has some special reserve stashed away.

Moochelle can cater the event.


17 posted on 07/20/2014 1:53:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Cicero

Putin is a victim of the shortage of good little militants that obey orders and call first before blowing things out not the sky.

OH vell.


18 posted on 07/20/2014 1:54:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Cicero

I agree that Putin likely did not order THAT plane shot down. I stand by everything I said in my post to you.


19 posted on 07/20/2014 2:07:04 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: jsanders2001

>>At least there won’t be any sexual tension in the air...

That would be true except they still need straight men to keep the ship running, and kill spiders.


20 posted on 07/20/2014 2:10:21 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: tet68

And our torpedoes would always hit the Russian submarines in the stern.


21 posted on 07/20/2014 2:18:15 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Uhm, nope.

They haven’t the numbers nor sufficiently fielded numbers of subs to make a dent in us and they are way behind us technologically.


22 posted on 07/20/2014 2:30:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Again, McCaul would be better off doing is sworn duty to his constituents and concentrating on the problems on this side of the ocean.
23 posted on 07/20/2014 2:31:34 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Cicero
During the Khrushchev era (I think around 1955) The Crimea was just another part of the Soviet Union. Khrushchev transferred the administration to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic at that time.

Previously, it had been a part of the Russian Soviet Republic. During the 1930's, Stalin had the ethnic Turks and Tatars from the Crimea exiled to central Asia and they were replaced by ethnic Russians. The Crimea had been conquered by Czarist Russia in the early eighteenth century.

24 posted on 07/20/2014 2:39:20 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: bgill

McCaul is adressing both our foreign enemies and our domestic illegal alien invasion. He is smart enough to know the problems are not mutually exclusive.


25 posted on 07/20/2014 2:47:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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a resurgence to regain the glory of the old days

Sure, why not? Who's to stop him, Obama?

26 posted on 07/20/2014 2:58:25 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There are far too many warship submarines in the world, and with some countries being belligerent, it will not be long before somebody decides to “cull the herd”.

It won’t be very obvious because “plausible deniability” will be the name of the game. So the effort will be to conceal evidence by using depth, so that a target submarine will first be severely damaged at crush depth, and then be at too great a depth to recover or even investigate.


27 posted on 07/20/2014 3:19:46 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: RetiredArmy
We’d better not go back to the Cold War against the Soviets and Red China.

All we can do is delay it as long as possible. That is the best course. Would give us time to ramp back up. The UniParty however wants a cold war ASAP. They just want to be able to exercise the means and could care less about the ends. Means would include justification for US ground forces in many hotspots, persecution of internal dissidents, shutting down alternative media, etc.. We would go back to the days when all we had was one view point presented to us. Remember when all Russian woman were fat and ugly ?

28 posted on 07/20/2014 4:10:57 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Oh, yeah. Russia needs more submarines. That’s funny.


29 posted on 07/20/2014 4:12:01 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: RetiredArmy

not really, the Red team is just as bad of shape, they have some good units, but most divisions are conscript units with old equipment. We really need to put two brigades of heavy armor back in Europe, one in Germany and one in Poland, then the bluster of Putin would die down. We have a crap-load of armor sitting in storage that could easily be dusted off and shipped over and you can make decent privates in 6 months to a year to fill out the TOE.


30 posted on 07/20/2014 4:24:33 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Cicero

The whole thing may have been a “whoops”” moment, same as our Navy perhaps shooting down flight 800.


31 posted on 07/20/2014 4:55:56 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Mogger

It’s pretty impressive that we never had an accidental exchange of the big stuff. Yet.


32 posted on 07/20/2014 5:27:51 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Cicero

In the state I live in if you give a gun to a gang banger and he kills someone you can be charged as an accessory to murder. Please explain his this situation is different.


33 posted on 07/20/2014 5:31:51 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: ClayinVA

But they have more troops than we do and do not care how many of them die to accomplish what they want to accomplish. Plus, the Red Chinese own most of America. They can simply call in the debt or refuse to buy any more of it. That will really put us in a mess. All created by LePunk Obama and his spending. The RINOpublicans are not much better.


34 posted on 07/21/2014 4:50:20 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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