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Kansas US Sen. Milton Wolf running against 47 year incumbent Pat Roberts in Republican Primary 08/05
Senate Conservatives ^ | July 20, 2014 | Steelers6

Posted on 07/20/2014 7:04:41 PM PDT by Steelers6

A new poll shows conservative Dr. Milton Wolf (R-KS) surging in the Republican primary against incumbent Senator Pat Roberts.

The survey shows Roberts with only a 42-30 lead over Wolf, which is a stunning 21-point drop since the last poll taken three weeks ago!

Dr. Milton Wolf's message of limited government, personal freedom, economic liberty, and respect for the Constitution is resonating with voters.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: august5; primary; roberts; wolf
Roberts hasn't been as bad as McCain, Graham, and Cochran but we need to start replacing these guys in their 70's with good solid conservatives like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee instead of them picking their successors.
1 posted on 07/20/2014 7:04:41 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Steelers6

Roberts is like the rest of those who have spent their entire adult lives in Washington. He doesn’t pay much attention to anyone without a lot of money in their pockets. He is quite shocked to have opposition and is running the same type of ads that Cochran used against McDaniel in Mississippi. He thinks that we are all a bunch of stupid hayseeds.


2 posted on 07/20/2014 7:09:27 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Steelers6

Roberts has been in the Senate since 1997, not 1967.


3 posted on 07/20/2014 7:24:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Steelers6
"Dr. Milton Wolf's message of limited government, personal freedom, economic liberty, and respect for the Constitution is resonating with voters." Sounds like the basic principles of the Tea Party Patriots.
4 posted on 07/20/2014 7:29:14 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: Steelers6
start replacing these guys in their 70's

Why should these guys use the Senate our House as a nursing home? I.E., Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmond.

5 posted on 07/20/2014 7:39:07 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"Roberts has been in the Senate since 1997, not 1967."

True enough, and in that regard the headline is misleading. However, he truth of the matter is that Roberts first went to DC as a Senate staffer in 1967, and has been an inside-the-beltway creature/fedgov titsucker since.

6 posted on 07/20/2014 7:45:49 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Steelers6

I have voted for and supported Senator Roberts for years. I am not happy with him refusing to debate Dr. Wolf. Also, I have had the opportunity to meet Dr. Wolf and though he’s not held elective office, I believe him to be a good candidate. I am also unhappy with Senator Roberts that he does not reside in Kansas (big negative). I will vote for Dr. Wolf. The Great OZ has spoken.


7 posted on 07/20/2014 7:46:47 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: Joe 6-pack; Impy; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy

Not just misleading, it’s demonstrably false. The big problem I have with Wolf is exactly, “Who is this guy ?” He seems to be running on the “disgruntled cousin of Zero’s” schtick. That’s not enough for me. If we’re going to replace Roberts, do it with someone we know with some sort of public record or contribution to the cause. Kris Kobach, for example.

In any event, Roberts may have flaws, but he is not in the pantheon of premier RINO traitors (Cochran, Graham, McConnell, Lamar!) up this year that needed to be taken down at all costs.


8 posted on 07/20/2014 7:54:30 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Roberts has been in the Senate since 1997, not 1967.”

He became a Member of Congress in 1981 (KS-01). He moved from the House to the Senate in 1997. This hog never left the trough, he just moved from the House Trough to the Senate Trough.


9 posted on 07/20/2014 7:59:22 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"The big problem I have with Wolf is exactly, “Who is this guy ?”

Perhaps if Roberts would debate Wolf, people would be able to compare and contrast their views a bit better.

10 posted on 07/20/2014 7:59:45 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: vette6387

I know that. But the headline is still a falsehood.


11 posted on 07/20/2014 8:02:26 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“In any event, Roberts may have flaws, but he is not in the pantheon of premier RINO traitors (Cochran, Graham, McConnell, Lamar!) up this year that needed to be taken down at all costs.”

So in the “Land of the Blind, The One-Eyed Man is King,” is that what you are saying? Kansas needs to sweep this turd out too. Just because he isn’t as big a POS as those you mention, doesn’t mean he should stay on. Turnover is healthy. At least we know that Wolf won’t be a “connected statist” coming out of the box. And if he turns out to not be as advertised, you need to get rid of him too, but at the earliest point that you can, not after allowing him to screw his constituents for half a lifetime! The time for “lifetime service” needs to be over immediately.


12 posted on 07/20/2014 8:05:05 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Joe 6-pack

It’s not unusual for incumbents not to debate. Sometimes they’re not good at it. Again, with Wolf, he can make any claim to being to the right of Roberts, but what is his record ? I never heard of this guy before he decided to run. What has he done for the Conservative cause in Kansas (or anywhere else for that matter) ?


13 posted on 07/20/2014 8:05:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“I know that. But the headline is still a falsehood.”

And just how is that? Are you quibbling because part of the time was served in the House? Do you really think that that should make any difference? Or is it the fact that there isn’t a comma after Sen.? What’s your point?


14 posted on 07/20/2014 8:08:21 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

It’s a valid point. I personally wish Roberts had hung it up this year. Unfortunately, Wolf remains too much an unknown. If Kobach or one of the House members (such as Pompeo) had stepped up to run, I’d have been a lot more enthusiastic for the challenger.


15 posted on 07/20/2014 8:08:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"It’s not unusual for incumbents not to debate. Sometimes they’re not good at it. Again, with Wolf, he can make any claim to being to the right of Roberts, but what is his record ? I never heard of this guy before he decided to run. What has he done for the Conservative cause in Kansas (or anywhere else for that matter) ?"

By your logic, I should just ignore your post, since I've been on FR longer, and everybody should just accept that my reply is better.

16 posted on 07/20/2014 8:15:29 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: vette6387

The quibble is that the headline states he has been in the U.S. Senate since 1967 (”47-year incumbent”), when he has only been in that body since 1997 as an incumbent. It’s a falsehood.

However, a change of a few words would make the headline true, as such:

“Kansas US Sen. Milton Wolf running against 47 year DC insider Pat Roberts in Republican Primary 08/05”

14 years as assistant to Sen. Frank Carlson & Rep. Keith Sebelius (1967-1980)
16 years in the U.S. House (1981-1997)
17+ years in the U.S. Senate (1997-


17 posted on 07/20/2014 8:17:22 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Steelers6

New Blood, bump.


18 posted on 07/20/2014 8:21:14 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

It’s a simple question. As a supporter of his, you should be able to answer it. My whole point is you’re putting your faith in an unknown quantity with the hope that he MIGHT be better than Roberts. Again, we don’t know much of anything about this guy other than he’s NOT Roberts. For some folks, that’s enough. Not for me.


19 posted on 07/20/2014 8:21:43 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Unfortunately, Wolf remains too much an unknown.”

But so was Roberts back when he ran for Congress. To be sure, there may well have been better vetted options for Kansas, but when the race starts, you run what you brung! Roberts is comfortable with the GOPe Senate “leadership.” We need, by every means possible, to chip away at the GOPe, or there is no reason to think that we can win against the RATs ultimately. These men do not have anything approaching any morals. They are not there to help the vast majority of their constituents. Undoubtedly, with time, Wolf may well fall into that category as well and it is then he should be sent on his way.


20 posted on 07/20/2014 8:22:11 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Steelers6

Roberts is endorsed by Kansans for Life. I’ll vote for him. For some reason I don’t trust Wolf.


21 posted on 07/20/2014 8:26:53 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"My whole point is you’re putting your faith in an unknown quantity with the hope that he MIGHT be better than Roberts. Again, we don’t know much of anything about this guy other than he’s NOT Roberts. For some folks, that’s enough. Not for me."

My whole point is that you're expecting a healthy defense of ideas and vigorous debate from other FReepers, but you don't expect the same from your candidate. If Roberts has so much going for him, he ought to stand up and defend his record. His failure to do so makes for very poor optics in a time when people are getting fed up with insiders with a sense of entitlement to the seats they've been elected to fill.

22 posted on 07/20/2014 8:27:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Steelers6

Agree 100%. Time for the old guard to go.


23 posted on 07/20/2014 8:30:19 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: vette6387

Actually, Roberts wasn’t an unknown when he ran in 1980 for the House. He was the leading candidate and heir apparent to the retiring incumbent, Keith Sebelius. I’d dare say folks knew well about Roberts more so than Wolf now.

You’re not going to catch me disagreeing with you on dumping the party establishment, but I want something assuring me we’re going to have a reliable foot soldier for the cause.


24 posted on 07/20/2014 8:36:39 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Remember, Wolf is the challenger. Roberts’ record is on the record. He’s playing it the same way many incumbents do, not wanting to give more exposure to the challenger (yes, it’s frustrating, but he’s not the only one to do it. Many good members and bad members alike often refuse to debate).

I again find it odd that no one here yet can outline anything substantive about Wolf, and this has been a problem for months since he declared. I do give a lot of attention to challengers (especially in these times when so many need to be ousted from power), but there’s nothing that stands out about him that says “this is the guy that MUST be elected.” Many of the challengers to the worst offending RINO incumbents DID have something that spelled it out, but Wolf just doesn’t seem to (and playing up his relations to Zero is simply bizarre).


25 posted on 07/20/2014 8:45:57 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“You’re not going to catch me disagreeing with you on dumping the party establishment, but I want something assuring me we’re going to have a reliable foot soldier for the cause.”

At this point in time, I’m fresh out of “assurances” about anyone! I’ve been disappointed by the best of them. When Arnold the Awful ran for governor here in California when we recalled Gray Davis, I wanted to have Tom McClintock replace him. But when Arnold walked in and stole the show, I was pragmatic and voted for him. Talk about a dumb SOB. The only thing he did was knock out a kid with his maid!


26 posted on 07/20/2014 8:58:39 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: centurion316

All Roberts needs is an ad with Bob Dole endorsing him, and all he can expect is victory. KS people are incumbency-friendly too.


27 posted on 07/20/2014 9:04:54 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: vette6387; Kansas58; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj

He’s not a turd, AT ALL, he’s a conservative Senator. WOLF, may be a turd, can’t know for sure because he’s a nobody with no record.

These are not the droids you’re looking for. I suggest you turn you attention to the race is in Tennessee.


28 posted on 07/20/2014 9:29:00 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: vette6387

Hey, I was right here on FR 11 years ago warning the alarm bells on that fiasco known as the Austrian Socialist. I knew he would be dreadful, only that he exceeded my expectations in execrableness. I said if McClintock wasn’t to be elected, better just to keep Off-White Davis, since Ah-nold would end up making Davis look like a Conservative.

That’s why I’m always warning folks that when you’re wanting to replace somebody with someone else, NEVER say the phrase, “ANYONE but...” because you’re likely to be in for a shock. There’s always someone worse than the incumbent, especially if you don’t know much about the challenger.


29 posted on 07/20/2014 9:37:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Theodore R.

Try telling that to Sheila Frahm.


30 posted on 07/20/2014 9:38:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“That’s why I’m always warning folks that when you’re wanting to replace somebody with someone else, NEVER say the phrase, “ANYONE but...” because you’re likely to be in for a shock. There’s always someone worse than the incumbent, especially if you don’t know much about the challenger.”

So just what is it about Wolf that puts a burr under your saddle? That seems to be where you are with this issue. You know what you will get with Roberts. He doesn’t give a $hit about Kansas, other than kissing your butts right now so he can keep his seat. As you say, with Wolf, there is no demonstrable track record, but are there issues on which you disagree with his stated positions? And if so, what are the specifics?


31 posted on 07/20/2014 9:43:59 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Well, I’m not in Kansas, so it’s not like I have a say... I’ve basically said repeatedly that Wolf simply hasn’t met the threshold to support him beyond “I’m not Roberts.” I don’t much care what they say, people will say anything to get elected, I want to know what this guy has done. Nobody has ever answered that question here.


32 posted on 07/20/2014 10:04:59 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Impy

“WOLF, may be a turd, can’t know for sure because he’s a nobody with no record.”

So does that make him “ineligible” for public office in your view?


33 posted on 07/20/2014 10:06:20 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Well, I’m not in Kansas, so it’s not like I have a say...”

Me neither. I’m just interested is seeing what it takes to get people to vote for new blood when it’s so obvious that a change is long overdue. It’s either that, or the “interested parties” here on FR who seemingly do live in KS, for whatever reason, still “love” Pat Roberts. Here we are, part of a blog that is supposed to be in favor of Constitutional Government, and yet there are many who are unwilling to part with “political leadership” that by it’s very existence, mocks the intent of the founding fathers. Thus far, all I’ve heard from them is that “Pat deserves our continued loyalty.” I guess it makes the case for the notion that all those in congress deserve replacement except my guy, he’s the lone member who should stay on.


34 posted on 07/20/2014 10:14:10 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Like I said, I tend to lean more towards dumping incumbents, but not just for dumping’s sake. If someone known in Conservative circles or with an established reputation, something, anything, or even friends of those folks who could vouch for the challenger... it’s not happening in this particular contest.

It’s a perfectly simple question, “Who IS Milton Wolf ?” Some are satisfied with the answer, “He is not Pat Roberts.” I and many others aren’t. Milton’s cousin, Zero, ain’t Pat Roberts, either, and we ain’t gonna support him in a GOP primary.

I appreciate challengers to tired incumbents, I do, but I want to know who they are, what they’ve done, and have others (known individuals) who can vouch for their character, integrity, et al. Talk is cheap these days, anyone can say anything to get elected (look at the fools who bought the lie that Willard was a Conservative based on his rhetoric and promises, none of which ever matched his record of leftism in Massachusetts). If they don’t walk the walk, anything else doesn’t matter.


35 posted on 07/20/2014 10:28:25 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: vette6387
If you do not reside in Kansas, you probably do not receive the Roberts commercials detailing the sleazy info about Wolf posting the photos and x-rays of his patients on social media.

Would you vote for your doctor if he posted a video of your colon-oscopy on you-tube?

36 posted on 07/20/2014 10:58:42 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: vette6387; fieldmarshaldj

Not necessary, but it certainly doesn’t make him someone I’d back over a proven conservative Senator who doesn’t need to be removed at all.

Proven conservative incumbent > Cipher

I don’t care how long Roberts has been there, he’s no Thad Cochran, he’s in top third of Senate Republicans I’d say, that’s not something to throw away for some random guy who thinks Robert’s has been there too long.

OTOH, Lamar Alexander has been there only since 2003, and HE needs to GO.


37 posted on 07/20/2014 11:07:15 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: tdscpa
Oh, and did you know he is a cousin of brack owe-bama’s?
38 posted on 07/20/2014 11:18:34 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: tdscpa

Yes, he shares DNA with BHO!


39 posted on 07/20/2014 11:24:39 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Mercat
Roberts is endorsed by Kansans for Life. I’ll vote for him. For some reason I don’t trust Wolf.

And still we wonder why things never change. </sarcasm>

40 posted on 07/20/2014 11:57:37 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I again find it odd that no one here yet can outline anything substantive about Wolf

I again find it odd that no one here yet can outline anything substantive about Roberts.

41 posted on 07/20/2014 11:59:47 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: vette6387
I want something assuring me we’re going to have a reliable foot soldier for the cause.”

Well you know for a fact that Roberts does not meet your requirement, so what is your suggestion?

42 posted on 07/21/2014 12:01:03 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: itsahoot

Roberts’ record is there. What is Wolf’s ? Every response in support of Wolf is boiled down to, “He’s not Roberts.” Tell me what Wolf’s record is.


43 posted on 07/21/2014 12:18:20 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: itsahoot

That was my quote, not Vette’s.


44 posted on 07/21/2014 12:19:03 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
“He’s not Roberts.”

Works for me. You people could have learned something from your flirtation with Sibelius, but guess not.

45 posted on 07/21/2014 1:35:03 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: itsahoot

Voting for someone simply because they’re not someone else is naïve.


46 posted on 07/21/2014 1:41:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Voting for someone simply because they’re not someone else is naïve.

But effective.

Voting for someone in the hope that they will change for the better is naive.

47 posted on 07/21/2014 3:54:05 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: itsahoot

Effective, how ? You’re betting on an unknown quantity. It’s not logical, but reckless. Look at the country voting for Carter, Clinton & Zero because they weren’t the Republican incumbent (”hoping” things would “change” for the better). If Wolf had a record (a la McDaniel in MS), it would be a lot easier to support him.


48 posted on 07/21/2014 4:49:12 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: itsahoot; Impy
>> “He’s not Roberts.” Works for me. You people could have learned something from your flirtation with Sibelius, but guess not. <<

We already tried it your way when Reince Prebius became Chairman of the RNC because "he's not Michael Steele" and "Steele MUST go" so "anybody" would magically, somehow, be better.

Well, Prebius was NOT better once he got in. In fact, many conservatives now realize he's probably worse.

You people could have learned something about "anyone would be better" mentality from your flirtation with Prebius, but guess not.

49 posted on 08/07/2014 2:20:28 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: BillyBoy
You people could have learned something about "anyone would be better" mentality from your flirtation with Prebius, but guess not.

If the GOPe insists on palling around with the Amnesty pimps and Gay lobby then there is little hope. Prebius was a stick in the eye from the very people you seem to think we should hold on too.

Maybe you should start building a golden calf.

50 posted on 08/07/2014 9:48:09 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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