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Dinesh D'Souza's 'America' Will Have Some Conservatives Yearning For Michael Moore's
Forbes ^ | 07/21/2014 | John Tamny

Posted on 07/21/2014 5:24:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Back in 2010, and amid some of the worst economic times of Barack Obama’s failed presidency, I lunched with an entrepreneur whose signage business was booming both domestically and globally. I asked this person how he thrived despite all the political barriers to growth, and he said “I’m way too smart for Obama, and I’ll always work around him.”

The entrepreneur’s confident response came to mind as I watched Dinesh D’Souza’s latest documentary, America: Imagine the World Without Her. D’Souza properly loves the U.S., as does this writer, but his documentaries (the other was 2016: Obama’s America, released to much fanfare in 2012) pander to the desire among some in the conservative movement to play hapless victim to the all-powerful Barack.

To believe D’Souza and others who are helping define this ascendant strain of victim conservatism, a man they deem aloof, unfocused and not terribly competent has somehow managed in six short years to transform a nation once defined by staggering individual initiative and entrepreneurial abundance into a land of indolent takers. Victimhood has a new red-state address, and Obama must be flattered to know that for being Barack, he’s sapped the vitality of the most productive people on earth. All of this would be scary if D’Souza’s documentary were at all grounded in reality.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: america; dineshdsouza; documentary; dsouza; michaelmoore; movies
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1 posted on 07/21/2014 5:24:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

We still couldn’t have a president like Obama if we didn’t have the electorate to put him there.


2 posted on 07/21/2014 5:31:02 AM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seeds turn into forests.


3 posted on 07/21/2014 5:31:09 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SeekAndFind

But we are “helpless” as long as congress lets bartack and holder have their way with pens and papers.


4 posted on 07/21/2014 5:31:50 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can see why Steve Forbes sold the Forbes magazine.
This article is total crap.


5 posted on 07/21/2014 5:33:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This article is a pile of horse manure. I’ve been thinking for quite a while that too many hired hacks employed by Forbes have gone over to the dark side in their commentary and editorials. One too many articles with an outright Dem slant, even though business oriented. This is one of those articles.


6 posted on 07/21/2014 5:38:03 AM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: flaglady47
It would be hard to name a business magazine that has been more consistently wrong in its predictions, outlook, etc.
7 posted on 07/21/2014 5:39:43 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Summary: a disguised attempt to portray D’Souza as being wrong about his facts in his films, that Obama inherited Bush’s problems, and that the Republicans are really the ones to blame. There saved you 15 mins of reading...


9 posted on 07/21/2014 5:41:30 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001
I'm chewing through D’souza’s book “America.”
it's a compelling read.
10 posted on 07/21/2014 5:42:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

> I’m chewing through D’souza’s book “America.”
it’s a compelling read.

The books are always better than the movie. He made some good points in the movie, particularly in reference to slavery.


11 posted on 07/21/2014 5:46:08 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind
It is easy to see why this author has such a dark view of things.


12 posted on 07/21/2014 5:47:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: flaglady47

Yeah, remember Nina no brains Easton….big time Forbes “economic” reporter. Yeah, right…..she’s a total maroon.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 5:53:58 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: SeekAndFind

This writer is laughably wrong. If pointing out that Obama is killing America is adopting the victim mentality what are we left to say/feel as he destroys our country and makes us fund it? This guy is a moron.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 5:56:32 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Uh huh. The old trick of finding one guy at the top to “prove” to the rest of us how easy it is.


15 posted on 07/21/2014 5:58:31 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: Catmom
“We still couldn’t have a president like Obama if we didn’t have the electorate to put him there.”

We couldn't have a president like Obama if we did not have the institutionalized voter fraud that put him there.

16 posted on 07/21/2014 6:04:23 AM PDT by detective
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To: SeekAndFind

Dinesh d’Souza is telling the unvarnished truth about our current plight and what has brought it about. If he succeeds and our country is saved, we will surely establish a real press that tells what’s actually going on in our country, and publications like Forbes Magazine will disappear. That’s the basis for this rant.


17 posted on 07/21/2014 6:06:59 AM PDT by Puzzleman ("Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government. " -- Edmund Burke)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ping


18 posted on 07/21/2014 6:08:01 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Catmom

Obama would be nearly powerless if it weren’t for decades of leftists building up white guilt and political correctness to the level that it is anathema to voice any criticism of black culture or a black person.


19 posted on 07/21/2014 6:09:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama didn’t make the movement; the movement made Obama.


20 posted on 07/21/2014 6:10:56 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: jsanders2001

Thank you!!!


21 posted on 07/21/2014 6:18:10 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: flaglady47
This article is a pile of horse manure.

So is the Saturday show, "Forbes on Fox". There's a couple of people I like, but each segment has six people/analysts in addition to the moderator.

IMO, it's unfair to the analysts to try and condense their thoughts to 15-30 seconds. It's also unfair to the viewer, because issues aren't discussed in depth.

22 posted on 07/21/2014 6:26:05 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Family and I saw America and I certainly think this author not only missed many of the points but he is lacking in knowledge and historical background. I was impressed with America and made a point of buying a copy of the book at Costco to show my support and get access to footnotes for many of the references in the movie.


23 posted on 07/21/2014 6:28:46 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: SeekAndFind

I think this review is a little heavy handed and reveals a bit about the author of the review more than it does D’Souza who I’ve never been a big fan though I do appreciate his sentiments and love of America. I did a quick check of John Tamny and he seems solid enough though he clearly is someone who has bought into leftist dogma on gay marriage.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2013/03/28/supreme-court-must-protect-the-individual-right-to-marry-not-limit-individual-rights/

His trivializing of “conservative victimhood” betrays his own lack of grounding in a reality where leftists deal a heavy hand in academia, media, and are now not in small part because of misguided conservatives in the military. Tamny says that his feelings of expanded rights should not be interpreted as “positive rights” but that is exactly what he is supporting. Gay marriage was not banned in any way by DOMA nor do any of the stats constitutional “bans”. It merely bans the government getting involved in the business of gay marriage which is the opposite of what twisted thinkers that often call themselves “libertarians”(incorrectly) proclaim. They are like schizophrenics who claim to oppose centralization of government and positive rights all the while blithely supporting or accommodating through silence tyranny when it is something they personally agree with.

I got a bit off track here and while I believe that D’Souza and “conservative film makers” need to do a bit less navel gazing and make larger narratives in a Reaganesque way rather than just constantly beating a drum of negatives which go without saying since most Americans believe America is indeed broken. What they want to hear is how to fix it. They deep down want to believe in America again not simply look back as if attending a death watch their great country. Reagan even with his flaws knew how to make Americans see a brighter future and that his ability to do so was founded in articulating of longstanding truths did not inhibit this. He did not refer to the founders and founding principles as if they were dusty documents and long dead men he made them real again in the hearts and minds of the citizenry. He made the American dream feel real again and that is why he is still loved and still popular long past his death.


24 posted on 07/21/2014 6:32:15 AM PDT by Maelstorm (America wasn't founded with the battle cry of "Give me Liberty or cut me a government check!".)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
D'Souza's commercial for the movie, which I have not yet seen, clearly states that it is the progressive movement that created Obama, implying it is the progressive movement that is disassembling the USA, not Obama specifically.

Is this not the premise for the movie?

25 posted on 07/21/2014 6:37:28 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Important note...Forbes Magazine sold to CHINESE. Article making more sense now....


26 posted on 07/21/2014 6:39:58 AM PDT by codder too
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To: jsanders2001

Thanks...


27 posted on 07/21/2014 6:43:36 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
hmm..tremendous jealousy abounds @ Forbes.

28 posted on 07/21/2014 6:45:19 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

What a fool! No one leaves “America” feeling like a “victim”, except maybe some fools who voted for Obama and his ilk. How does one tell the truth about how the left hates and diminishes America better than D’Souza. Bob


29 posted on 07/21/2014 6:53:09 AM PDT by alstewartfan (Army trucks have hauled away the newly slain, Angry crowds retreat, but they'll be back again. Al S)
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To: codder too
"sold to Chinese."
OH! Thanks, explains much, article's author is such a loser.

Rem: Tzu Sun's "Art of War"


30 posted on 07/21/2014 6:55:13 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: skeeter

D Souza explains how Hillary was introduced by a pastor to Saul Alinski and his Rules for Radicals. What Hillary did with that is explained and makes seeing the movie or purchasing the book, worth while.


31 posted on 07/21/2014 6:59:31 AM PDT by codder too
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To: skeeter
I'm pretty sure the book reflects the movie and vice versa...
32 posted on 07/21/2014 7:18:35 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In that case, wouldn’t a fair and balanced D’Souza at least have pointed out the Party controlling spending since 2016 came out?

He lost me there. The House sets the budget, then the demonrats in the Senate vote against it. What ignorance.

33 posted on 07/21/2014 7:30:28 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: SoothingDave
Obama didn’t make the movement; the movement made Obama.

He's a movement, that's for sure.

34 posted on 07/21/2014 7:47:02 AM PDT by Gosh I love this neighborhood
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To: detective

BINGO!

It does not require massive vote fraud to affect an election, just well placed fraud, which is exactly what occurred in both 2008 and 2012.


35 posted on 07/21/2014 7:54:56 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: SeekAndFind
America is nt so much a documentary as a thought provoking movie. I think D'Sousa's aim is to cause the viewers to think more broadly about America's impact on the world and to address the liberal myths about American being a force of evil in the world.
36 posted on 07/21/2014 8:00:17 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: jsanders2001

That’s about right

I quit after it became apparent I’d have to slog through a whole lot more drivel to discredit this myopic and illogical piece in order to prove its falsehood

35 paragraphs

Of nothing


37 posted on 07/21/2014 8:11:24 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Gosh I love this neighborhood

A MASSIVE.


38 posted on 07/21/2014 8:13:13 AM PDT by White Bear ("Una salus victus nullam sperare salutem" - The one hope of the doomed is not to hope for safety.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Saw the movie and wished he would have nailed the anti-American people he interviewed by asking:

Hispanic “You stole out land”: What did you do with the land we let you keep? In 1847 the land on each side of the border looked exactly the same. Today, our side is a generator of wealth while your side generates crime cartels and desperate people risking their lives to get out. (Maybe I read too much into the border fence scene where a road was on our side, but their side was still unimproved, but I thought it a subtle commentary.)

Black “You enslaved us”: In what battle did the blacks overthrow the whites and gain their freedom? It was other whites who said it was wrong and spilled their blood to end it. (He touched on this with the Union casualties, but I would have shown the actual daguerreotypes and not the “clean dead” re-enactors.

American Indian “You stole our land”: “Your race was a Stone Age culture and were ripe for exploitation by ANY technologically superior race. Which race would you have preferred to come here? (I have used this statement against all the whiners of this type: “You ought to get down on your knees and thank God the Americans screwed you over. At least you can make them feel guilty. Any other race or nationality would have kept their foot on your neck and given you the obama excuse: ‘We won. Deal with it.’ “)

I thought the smallpox-Black Plague was a good comeback on the “Genocide” B/S - Remember how skitzy the govt was about bringing back the moon rocks for fear of a pandemic?

I had to laugh at my wife, who was getting pist at the anti-American slant as Denish outlined the charges in the beginning (she calmed down later :-) ). I would have liked for him to point out that what he just outlined is taught at most colleges today - by people who have never been outside of academia and thus have no real world experience.


39 posted on 07/21/2014 8:49:43 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: stanne

I quit after he blamed Bush for the entire sub-prime meltdown without mentioning the Clinton admin which was the prime (no pun intended) architect of the whole disaster. I didn’t see the movie as yet (but I will), however it seems that Tamny has missed the gist of the movie from reviews I’ve read. D’Souza is implicating the bacterial growth of liberalism and leftism in the country as much as slamming Obama. How Tamny could have missed that I don’t know.


40 posted on 07/21/2014 8:53:35 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Oatka

Denish = Dinesh


41 posted on 07/21/2014 8:54:31 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Catmom
Among other bad comments, Tamny omits the fact that a leftist like Obama was elected in the first place. He is eager to dismiss ideas that the electorate has taken a decidedly leftist turn. If all the leftist profs. and teachers in academia have had no effect on the thinking of students, how did someone like Comrade Barack ever get elected?

He wouldn't have had a chance fifty years ago. George McGovern was a WWII war hero and against an unpopular war, and he got stomped in 1972. Because forty years ago the American electorate knew a leftist when they saw one, and most adult Americans didn't like leftists. Now they see a leftist like Obama, and they elect him president.

42 posted on 07/21/2014 9:03:18 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: detective
“We still couldn’t have a president like Obama if we didn’t have the electorate to put him there.”

We couldn't have a president like Obama if we did not have the institutionalized voter fraud that put him there.

One of those two statements is absolutely true, is it also possible that both are true?

43 posted on 07/21/2014 9:10:05 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: driftless2

She is talking economics in her critique and without mentioning that the movie is not about economics

Also, d’Souza provides expert arguments using logic and also reliable sources in interviews

The movie is good because it is intelligent regardless of the cheesy acting jobs. It’s good because it is is reasonable

It drives the libs crazy

The response is long articles with big words which say nothing


44 posted on 07/21/2014 9:10:22 AM PDT by stanne
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To: SoothingDave
Obama didn’t make the movement; the movement made Obama.

My movement makes an Obama everyday!

45 posted on 07/21/2014 9:28:16 AM PDT by Balata (Obama's Executive Branch = Low Information Executive Service = LIES)
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To: stanne

If you look at the author’s history I’d say he leans left towards being Democrat but with just a touch of the right to confuse the issue; probably intentionally:

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/authors/john_tamny/


46 posted on 07/21/2014 9:32:47 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: stanne

On another note I didn’t know Kendall was a female name:

https://www.zola.com/registry/kendallandjohn

Wedding Registry for a Kendall Brodarick and John Tamny. Might explain much if Kendall is male...


47 posted on 07/21/2014 9:43:59 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: stanne

The point is: despite being wrong on some past predictions, is D’Souza’s movie mostly an honest depiction of the current state of affairs, or is it wrong? I’m sixty-four years old. The country has taken a decidedly leftist turn in the last fifty years. This reflected in the election of the most leftist president ever. Tamny, for some strange reason, by the tone of his article seems to be not too concerned with this. Every patriotic American who believes in the principles that made this country great should be highly concerned.


49 posted on 07/21/2014 11:09:13 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The author is correct, there is no longer a two-Party system.


50 posted on 07/21/2014 11:38:50 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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