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Putin lashes out at criticism over plane crash as more bodies found
FoxNews.com ^ | July 21, 2014 | FoxNews.Com

Posted on 07/21/2014 5:32:43 AM PDT by Biggirl

Russian President Vladimir Putin lashed out against a chorus of international condemnation Monday over Moscow's role in training and arming the rebels believed to have shot down a Malaysia Airlines passenger plane Thursday, killing all 298 on board.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: eunwo; kiev; mh17; msmblamerussia; putin; ukraine
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1 posted on 07/21/2014 5:32:43 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

It’s the coverup that will get Putin.


2 posted on 07/21/2014 5:35:41 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Biggirl

Same country that gave the order to shoot down the Korean airliner KAL-007. Horrible story. Google it.


3 posted on 07/21/2014 5:38:01 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: Rapscallion

I had bookmarked a YT video of the Rep. that was on that ill-fated KAL-007 flight this past weekend.

It does not surprise me. The “new” Russia is the same as the “old” Russia.


4 posted on 07/21/2014 5:41:03 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
The “new” Russia is the same as the “old” Russia.
I wish it was true. Modern Russia is a lot worse: they stopped pretending to have a world-saving mission, now it's just a plain old Mordor, pure evil in hearts and minds.
5 posted on 07/21/2014 6:06:52 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Biggirl
The plane didn't crash, it was shot down. Hell, even wikipedia of all places is saying it was shot down.

CC

6 posted on 07/21/2014 6:16:23 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Biggirl

And the Vincennes/Airbus shootdown never happened...


7 posted on 07/21/2014 6:29:41 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Biggirl
The fall of American exceptionalism and the rise of this obamanation has left a testosteronic void in world politics that needed to be filled.

And, ta da!, it's been bare chested coverboy Vlad photo-oped and photo-shopped to the rescue!

Putin's had a fairly good run of popularity on the world stage and a real chance to be a different, non-Soviet sort of Russian and lead a new and improved, non-Soviet sort of Russia.

Instead, he's officially gone back to the old playbook, rolling tanks onto the neighbors' yards and shooting down passenger planes full of tourists.

There'll be no "I'll see your testosterone and raise" in response from the one known as "obama" like we used to do in the old days, but you can bet the obama administration's hash tag counter attack will be withering and unrelenting.

8 posted on 07/21/2014 6:30:19 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Samogon

Rather Putin is the new Gullum and looks like him too. He wants the gold ring.


9 posted on 07/21/2014 6:32:54 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Lying lessons from soebarkah?

They won’t work.


10 posted on 07/21/2014 6:37:35 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Travis McGee

I got a lot of heck for mentioning that a few days ago. Free advise: Batten down the hatches!


11 posted on 07/21/2014 6:38:26 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Biggirl

He looks like a grown up McCauley Caulkin. Vlad Putin in “Home alone in the Kremlin”


12 posted on 07/21/2014 6:38:46 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: null and void

advice. darned speil Czech


13 posted on 07/21/2014 6:39:39 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Cvengr

Who is going to do anything about it? Obama? Yeah, right.

Face it, the West is impotent and Putin knows it.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 6:42:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: null and void

Moral equivalency is a tool of the left. Whose side are you on?


15 posted on 07/21/2014 6:43:59 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Travis McGee

Moral equivalency is the opposite of morality.


16 posted on 07/21/2014 6:45:33 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Cvengr
LOL! Who will "get" him? He is a Czar...

BTW Joe Biden once told Putin 'Mr. Prime Minister, I’m looking into your eyes, and I don’t think you have a soul.'

Joe finally did something right! http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-putin-soul-2014-7

17 posted on 07/21/2014 6:47:48 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Travis McGee

And the Vincennes/Airbus shootdown never happened...

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Please compare the response of Reagan, US president at the time of the shootdown, to Putin’s response to MH17.

Are you seeing additional equivalency there, Travis?


18 posted on 07/21/2014 6:52:25 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Parmenio; Travis McGee

I rest my case...


19 posted on 07/21/2014 6:55:16 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Bush said his famous soul phrase in 2001. Oil prices had been low for decades, Putin was new to power, very humble and acted his little heart out to appeal to Bush.

Now Putin has had high oil prices and power for more than a decade. High oil prices have given him arrogance to show his true self. Add to that the corruption that comes with having that much power for such a long time.


20 posted on 07/21/2014 6:56:17 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Krosan

If our own mismanagement would allow us to drill here, drill now, approve the Kestone pipeline, and ease the controls on exporting NatGas, Putin would be vastly diminished.

All without firing a shot, and at vast enhancement to the US economy.


21 posted on 07/21/2014 7:02:14 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Travis McGee

The US admitted that they shot it down immediately and they paid reparations.

Does anyone expect that from Putin???


22 posted on 07/21/2014 7:05:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Travis McGee; Biggirl

Just to throw this into the pot, when KAL 007 was shot down, and everyone’s eyes were on the USSR, Mexico shot down a small US civilian airplane claiming it was hauling drugs. No drugs were found in the crash site.

I read about it in an obscure newspaper, now out of business, at the time.


23 posted on 07/21/2014 7:12:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Biggirl

Man up, Vlad. This one’s on you.


24 posted on 07/21/2014 7:29:40 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Uncle Chip

Obviously there were differences in immediate responses by the govts. My point is only to add the Iranian airbus to the repeated mentioning of KAL. We had our own accidental military/civilian shoot down. It’s an historical fact.


25 posted on 07/21/2014 7:35:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Biggirl

Where’s the chorus of international condemnation over all of King Obama’s aid to terrorists?


26 posted on 07/21/2014 7:36:13 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Parmenio; null and void

I’m on the side of historical accuracy over pure propaganda.


27 posted on 07/21/2014 7:36:50 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Uncle Chip

Time will tell.

My only point is to point out that KAL and MH-17 were NOT the only civilian passenger jets shot down by military missiles.

Reading these stories, it’s all too easy to overlook the Vincennes shoot down.


28 posted on 07/21/2014 7:38:28 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

During the case with Iranian plane the sailors thought they are in immediate danger and thus had to act quick. Russian trigger happy terrorists just shot down a plane they saw flying by at high altitude.


29 posted on 07/21/2014 7:41:32 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Travis McGee

and that helps the investigation of this shootdown and the return of the bodies of the dead how???


30 posted on 07/21/2014 7:44:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Historical context.


31 posted on 07/21/2014 8:03:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Parmenio

Willful historical blindness is counter productive to finding truth.


32 posted on 07/21/2014 8:04:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Krosan

Probably true. It’s still worthwhile to gain the historical context and perspective of noting all THREE shoot downs of large passenger jets by military missiles.


33 posted on 07/21/2014 8:05:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I’m quite aware that the U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian airliner. How does that justify the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner?


34 posted on 07/21/2014 8:20:24 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Cvengr; All

What about the REAL coverup?
WHY was this plane on the course is was over a war zone where they knew planes were being shot down?
WHY did originally assigned flight crew opt OUT of fyling that flight -
WHY was it, additionally, reported to’ve been 300 miles off course - you can’t do that by ‘mistake’
WERE they a Judas Goat - set up for a hopeful shoot-down - a wag-the-dog incident?

copy/paste this in GOOGLE

crashed MH17 300 miles off course

oh he*l - for you natterers who are too lazy to do any research

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975524/Crashed-MH17-flight-was-300-miles-off-typical-course.html


35 posted on 07/21/2014 8:27:35 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7

It seems you are too eager to find a conspiracy. Over 50 airliners flew over this area during the past 24 hours. Flying there (above 33,000 feet) was not something unordinary and allowed by Eurocontrol air traffic management.


36 posted on 07/21/2014 8:32:41 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Biggirl
Putin says the plane would not have been shot down if Ukraine had not ended their unilateral cease-fire, but that is false, because the terrorists never agreed to or abided by the cease-fire in any way. They even shot down a helicopter the day after the cease-fire began.
37 posted on 07/21/2014 8:57:24 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Biggirl

America doesn’t have a dog in this fight with no Americans on board. That said, send the identified remains home to their families and worry about politics later.


38 posted on 07/21/2014 9:26:04 AM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: Biggirl

Well the mischief maker has now stepped in a pile of dog doo. He is going to be hard pressed to get himself out of this one. Those 40 or so oligarchs Putey works for are going to be royally PO’d at European sanctions.


39 posted on 07/21/2014 9:50:51 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: informavoracious

That was not what the rush was about. Bodies needed to be examined before they were tampered with. The seating arrangement in the plane is known so examining the shrapnel fragments in bodies and angles of entry wounds was important in obtaining the evidence.

Russians took the bodies and kept them under their control for extended time without anyone observing that the evidence is not tampered with or destroyed.


40 posted on 07/21/2014 9:51:32 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Krosan

What’s not what the rush was about?


41 posted on 07/21/2014 9:59:33 AM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: informavoracious

Sorry. Meant to say that I am sure the families agree the bodies should be examined by international team of expert for evidence before they bury them.

Now it looks like Russians are going to destroy the evidence before they release the bodies. At least they made d*mn sure independent observers are not there to see what happens to the bodies.


42 posted on 07/21/2014 10:04:54 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Biggirl

43 posted on 07/21/2014 10:14:27 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Travis McGee

KAL was not an error. The Russians knew it was a passenger jet. They had visual confirmation.


44 posted on 07/21/2014 10:47:19 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Samogon

It is sickening seeing media calling “Ukrainian separatists” bunch of Russian masked military thugs executing Putin’s order to annex Ukrainian territory.

When Yanukovych “thing” did not work out, Ukrainians froze at Maidan to put end to “joining great mother Russia”, Putin mobilized his army at Ukrainian border, took over Crimea and now is biting more pieces of Ukraine.

Ukrainian people, even Russian speaking and especially Crimean Tatars do not want to be part of the Putin’s great Russian empire again or ever.

Masked spetznatz and military personnel with modern armaments, no markings, are not Ukrainian separatists!!!!!!

If Ukrainians were desperate to join Putin’s empire, they would peacefully demonstrate for split, just like they did at Maidan. Masked thugs are Putin’s occupying soldiers, terrorizing population and just demonstrated their “skills” by shooting down Malaysian Air. When they were shooting down Ukrainian planes, world was quiet, now they awaken and see the true face of Putin - Hitler.

So media: Please stop calling “Ukrainian Separatists” but use proper name “Putin’s masked occupants of Ukraine!”

Putin’s Russians shot down the plane not Ukrainians. Plane flew across whole Ukraine, until drunk Ivan saw another “Ukrainian” target entering airspace of “Donetsk Republic” and ordered fire, only to see foreign passports and bodies showering the fields.

With military like that Putin is hoping to conquer 40 million of pissed off Ukrainians, who fought Hitler and Stalin?

You screwed up Volodia, Ukraine is not Abchazia.
I hope Russians realize who is leading them and do to him what Ukrainians did to Yanukovych. Then the Slavs can work together to build better future without sick imperialistic gangsters.


45 posted on 07/21/2014 10:56:15 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: dmz

I never said they did not, did I?

I merely mention that there were THREE civilian jetliners shot down by military missiles, not TWO, which anybody reading these threads would assume.

Obviously, each situation was different. But there are lessons to gain from each of the prior TWO cases.


46 posted on 07/21/2014 12:13:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Parmenio

“I’m quite aware that the U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian airliner. How does that justify the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner?”

Please point out where I justified the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner. Sheesh. “When did you stop beating your wife?”


47 posted on 07/21/2014 12:14:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

You are fighting a losing battle. Any attempt to analyze this situation objectively, will result in a torrent of adolescent name calling, and non-nonsensical rejoinders. Whether it is due to a desire to return to the moral clarity of the Cold War, or due to finding ourselves in a situation where our own country is being destroyed from within (and thus are eager for a good guy/bad guy international distraction), or, in some cases, I even suspect resentment at latent homosexual tendencies arising from Putin (particularly on this site, with a free man, and an aptly named rude boy). The situation in Ukraine was never as cut and dry as people wanted to believe, and this situation makes it dramatically messier. My fear, all along, is that emotional sentiment is driving us to a point where we are doing significant long term damage, damage that we may pay for dearly, whether economically or otherwise. To let emotion trump reason is not a conservative trait. It is odd to find it so prevalent on a conservative website.


48 posted on 07/21/2014 12:32:42 PM PDT by jjsheridan5 (Remember Mississippi -- leave the GOP plantation)
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To: Travis McGee

That’s how moral equivalence works. It excuses one reprehensible act by equating it to another act that is essentially different. Maybe that’s not what you meant, but that’s how it sounded to me. One of the problems with opinion forums such as this one is that a single sentence comment can get misinterpreted. I’m sure that if we were able to sit down and chat face-to-face, we would agree on lots of things.


49 posted on 07/21/2014 12:32:43 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Travis McGee

There might be 4 cases...What brought down TWA 800?

(It was not a spontaneous short/explosion in the center fuel tank.)

Yes - Governments resort to all sorts of chicanery when something like this happens, and some are better at it than others. Travis is correct in pointing out the other cases.

Why ignore history?


50 posted on 07/21/2014 1:13:18 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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