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Jeff Sessions criticizes Bill Gates's call for STEM worker visas amid Microsoft layoffs
The Hill ^ | 07/21/2014 | Ramsey Cox

Posted on 07/21/2014 7:07:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) criticized Microsoft founder Bill Gates for calling on Congress to increase STEM worker visas while the company plans to cut 18,000 jobs next year.

“Super billionaires aren’t happy apparently. … They declare we need to import more foreign workers,” Sessions said on the Senate floor Thursday. “Mr. Gates says we need to let more and more people into our country to take those kinds of jobs.”

Sessions was referring to an op-ed in which Gates called on the House to pass the bipartisan Senate immigration reform bill. That legislation would increase the number of worker visas for immigrants in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) fields.

Sessions pointed out that Microsoft announced Thursday that it plans to layoff nearly 20,000 workers in an effort to streamline. He said those workers should take priority over immigrants.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; billgates; jeffsessions; microsoft; stem

1 posted on 07/21/2014 7:07:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Bill Gates is no different than the slave owners of two centuries ago who wanted to keep importing other people to work their fields.

Just as he justifies it by saying it improves the lives and gives opportunities to the people of the third world, the slave traders of two centuries earlier claimed also that their dirty business spared the lives of their captive slaves from the violence in their countries of origin.

2 posted on 07/21/2014 7:15:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

What a putz. Gates lays off American workers and replaces them with immigrants. What’s the matter Bill, aren’t all your billions enough for you?


3 posted on 07/21/2014 7:16:33 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If these people were being admitted to the EXCLUSION of poorly educated, low-potential future Democrat low-information voters, then I would say, I am all for it.

But what we are doing, with this importation of the best and brightest from foreign sources, we are starving these other countries, essentially subjecting them to a “brain drain”. While there may be greater economic opportunities in the US, or at least in the past there used to be, the free market exchange of ideas and technology benefits everybody, no matter where it evolves in the world.


4 posted on 07/21/2014 7:20:26 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people become who they promised they would never be.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jeff Sessions is my #1 choice for president.


5 posted on 07/21/2014 7:22:35 AM PDT by blam
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To: SeekAndFind

Hold the phone.

I do not know the.particulars here.

But what jobs in the US are being lost? I seriously doubt 18k ENGINEERS are losing jobs. If so, calling out about STEM is moot.

If Americans cannot or will not take these jobs, then so be it. The companies are looking for some design talent.

Again, we’re not talking about assembly workers.


6 posted on 07/21/2014 7:24:35 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gates is a lying hypocrite. Lay off Americans and demand that the Kenyan import more foreign workers. I don’t get it. OR MAYBE I DO.


7 posted on 07/21/2014 7:26:07 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Bill Gates is no different than the slave owners of two centuries ago who wanted to keep importing other people to work their fields.

Well said.

8 posted on 07/21/2014 7:26:58 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: blam

A better man you will not discover in this age ... but he is too smart to even want to do that to himself and his family.


9 posted on 07/21/2014 7:27:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: SeekAndFind

Jeff Sessions - one of the few leaders on Capital Hill
(either party).


10 posted on 07/21/2014 7:29:00 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: blam

Well, Bill, I’m proud he’s our senator! I wish he would run for President, too.


11 posted on 07/21/2014 7:31:40 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SeekAndFind

Bill Gates is the founder of Microsoft, but he no longer runs the company. This is like blaming George Bush for all of the problems that the Administration is having.


12 posted on 07/21/2014 7:32:12 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: blam

Absolutely! Sessions is the best there is.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 7:36:31 AM PDT by Himyar
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To: centurion316
RE: Bill Gates is the founder of Microsoft, but he no longer runs the company

I think the title of the thread is : "Jeff Sessions criticizes Bill Gates's call for STEM worker visas amid Microsoft layoffs"

Even if Bill Gates does not run the company, he still is a Technology Adviser of Microsoft, which has the ear of the CEO, and has a huge stake in the company (due to his stock ownership ). The fact that he is PUBLICLY CALLING for Congress to increase STEM worker visa is relevant regardless of whether or not he runs the company.
14 posted on 07/21/2014 7:38:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Its actually worse.
MS is going to lay off 18k Americans, then hire 18k in India to replace them.

USA won’t even get income taxes or trickle down jobs out of it.
MS will get a jump in stock price and internal bonus $$$


15 posted on 07/21/2014 7:47:32 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: alloysteel
But what we are doing, with this importation of the best and brightest from foreign sources, we are starving these other countries, essentially subjecting them to a “brain drain”.

Exactly the point to these 'open border' types and especially the politicians who make dumb-assed statements like "We should staple a green card to the diploma of every foreigner who graduates from an American University". Yes, a prominent GOP Senator actually said this. I won't name the Senator because all but a relative handful of them agree with the statement.

It is a stupid idea for at least three reasons:

  1. Not every college degree is identical. We may have a shortage of nurses (and even that's arguable), but we certainly have a surplus of activist lawyers.
  2. Many of these foreign students were financed by their own governments or other such entities with the express understanding that they would come home and utilize their education to develop their own country. While the temptation of continuing life in America is strong, we should not be encouraging them to abrogate their original agreement and purpose they were given the opportunity to study here.
  3. Immigration policy should be based, first and foremost, on what type of people America needs; not on what would be desirable to a particular individual. Roughly 80% of the world's population would like to come here if they could. We have only 4% of the world's land area and 4% of the world's population. The problem is best solved by inspiring individuals to create a traditional American economic opportunity model in the home countries. Such model has been wildly successful everywhere it has been tried-- Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Chile, Panama, Columbia and, more recently, even some of the countries in the former Soviet satellite states.

16 posted on 07/21/2014 7:48:21 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Senator Sessions is implying that Gates support for STEM visas is connected to Microsoft’s plan to lay off a significant chunk of their workforce. I am asserting that there is no connection.

The wisdom of increased STEM visas is an entirely different issue. I have no problem hiring engineers and scientists, and in our case, they must have U.S. citizenship and a valid security clearance. More applicants than there are jobs. Lots of the software sweat shops like to hire aliens because they are cheaper and put up with more nonsense from their employer because of their native culture and their fear of losing their visa. That’s the problem that Sessions ought to be advancing.


17 posted on 07/21/2014 7:50:51 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Vigilanteman; SeekAndFind

Bill-front & back-Gates can afford to educating those workers himself from bottom up!!!


18 posted on 07/21/2014 7:53:55 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: SeekAndFind

Steve Balmer is running Microsoft and he has 2 billion dollars of walking around money he’s willing to pay the Sterlings for the LA Clippers.


19 posted on 07/21/2014 7:57:09 AM PDT by AU72
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To: centurion316
"More applicants than there are jobs"

Pure BS.

If that was true, there would be a spike in the wage rates for engineers, scientists, and other STEM workers.

The truth is that those wage rates have been flat for well over a decade according to the majority of reputable studies of the subject, including organizations such as the IEEE.
20 posted on 07/21/2014 7:58:38 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: AU72

RE: Steve Balmer is running Microsoft and he has 2 billion dollars of walking around money

Steve Ballmer WAS running Microsoft. But NOT ANY MORE. It is now Satya Nadella and he was the one who announced the 18,000 layoffs last week.

But yes, Ballmer still has over $20 Billion to play with.


21 posted on 07/21/2014 8:01:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: centurion316

We don’t need any more foreign workers, period.


22 posted on 07/21/2014 8:01:31 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Engineers are losing jobs. Hubby lost his last fall. Large defense contractor. He’d worked for them for over 25 years. They’ve had 4 layoffs in the last 18 months, and laid off more than a thousand workers at all levels. In the round that caught Hubby, more than 95% of those laid off were part of the old company-funded pension program. Company was just cutting overhead, not getting rid of workers it didn’t need. At the time he was laid off, Hubby was working on a program that was fully funded and had funds for the foreseeable future. Company just didn’t want to keep contributing to his pension plan.


23 posted on 07/21/2014 8:04:06 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: Vigilanteman

“Bill Gates is no different than the slave owners of two centuries ago who wanted to keep importing other people to work their fields.”

Bill, and every business owner, seems to demand cheaper wages, cheaper people, but they have more and more money. I don’t begrudge anyone making a buck, but they must do it fairly. They demand to sell their products in the US but they don’t want to hire US citizens. I say let them go sell their products in the countries they hire they workers.


24 posted on 07/21/2014 8:21:33 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: indthkr

“If that was true, there would be a spike in the wage rates for engineers, scientists, and other STEM workers. The truth is that those wage rates have been flat for well over a decade “

I work in engineering. I know for a fact that there are more applicants than openings.


25 posted on 07/21/2014 8:23:00 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: CodeToad

Agreed - I thought he said more openings than apps., which
is the standard refrain of the H1B promoters. My mistake...


26 posted on 07/21/2014 8:25:37 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: SeekAndFind

I had a well thought out response for this, and then decided to distill it down to this: expect microsoft to buy out a software company somewhere in India or Asia, and use that to re-incorporate in that country. Expect all of the
other major software companies to follow suit, if they want to compete, or even survive for that matter. Asia, china, and India are now the top producers of the world, and the US has been relegated to second-world status, like europe, the UK, and other former superpowers of their time.


27 posted on 07/21/2014 8:30:10 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Vigilanteman

No nursing shortage.

Hospitals are not hiring new nurses, don’t want the cost of training them.


28 posted on 07/21/2014 8:31:26 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: indthkr

No problem. I have been in engineering for 30+ years. I have seen every excuse the invader supporters use. We’ve all seen American train their H1B replacements; H1B replacements that were supposed to be hired if and only if there were no Americans to do the job.


29 posted on 07/21/2014 8:50:45 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: heartwood

“No nursing shortage. Hospitals are not hiring new nurses, don’t want the cost of training them.”

There is in Denver. Hospitals can’t get enough good nurses. There are all kinds of terrible nurses, but the good ones are probably 1 in 20.


30 posted on 07/21/2014 8:51:41 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Hoffer Rand

The Microsoft company was the subject. Sessions says they are losing 18k jobs, but doubtful MS even has that many engineers, researchers, etc.

I am an engineer, or at least trying to get a job again now that our son is in school. Keeping tabs on my last company, indeed they have had professional layoffs about every year since I left. But still sometimes hire a few.

So indeed, maybe there are many qualified Americans, but that doesn’t apply to MS necessarily.

Even if they are, no one can force those people into jobs they don’t want. Some are qualified but have moved on, others don’t want to work (me until now), and others will only work nearby, cannot move (me).

Bottom line, staying relevant to the thread, comparing line jobs to pro STEM is apples and oranges. If he wants to criticize, he better make sure he is making direct comparisons.


31 posted on 07/21/2014 8:56:38 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: indthkr

I live in the world of the defense industry. The industry has seen a price adjustment driven by two factors: the government overpaid during the expansion of defense spending during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and defense spending has seen significant cuts in existing and new contracts over the past three years. A massive correction has been the result and wage rates are lower in most defense markets, especially engineering services. This trend will continue according to DoD’s budget estimates.

That is a fact well understood by everyone in this industry. Pure BS would be a term most likely to be used by someone not familiar with this particular piece of the economy.


32 posted on 07/21/2014 9:08:40 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: SeekAndFind

Bill Gates is LYING to Congress about a lack of skilled workers.

And he’s p!ssing in my cornflakes when he does so by lowering the wages for the entire industry.

Another Billion Dollar Marxist who can never have too much.

Crony Communism works for the Politburo. Orwell knew this.


33 posted on 07/21/2014 9:16:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Bill Gates will not hire western Europeans.
He is behind the common core dumb down of education as well.


34 posted on 07/21/2014 9:51:16 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: heartwood
Hospitals are not hiring new nurses, don’t want the cost of training them.

You state the facts. Another fact is that most places which use nurses are understaffed everywhere.

The same can be said for scores of other professions. I am one person in a 1.6 person department. During the "horrible Bush economy" we had four people doing approximately the same work that 1.6 of us are doing now.

As more illegals, druggies, winos and derelicts flood the health care system demanding their "rights" under ObaMaoCare, the nursing shortage is only going to get worse even if it doesn't mean more nursing hires.

35 posted on 07/21/2014 9:51:46 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: minnesota_bound

Bill Gates huge home: http://seattle.curbed.com/archives/2013/01/bill-gates-medina-mansion.php


36 posted on 07/21/2014 9:52:10 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Vigilanteman

The local dialysis has an “on-call” doctor who visits once a month for a few hours and his office is about 50 miles away. I have been told the nurses who work there are not terribly competent and that it is quite unusual when a patient or two doesn’t drop dead every month or so.

Kind of a strange definition of “on-call”.


37 posted on 07/21/2014 9:54:31 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: centurion316
"someone not familiar with this particular piece of the economy.

Well, that someone certainly wouldn't be me considering that I've worked in and around Gov. and DoD procurement my entire life, including systems going back to the height of the Cold War.

And even in spite of the government "overpaying" during the Iraq and Afgan wars, wage rates for engineering remained flat. Why? Because that "overpayment" invariably goes to the corporate bottom line, senior management, and the program offices (sales). In the majority of shops, not to the engineering staff that actually does the work.
38 posted on 07/21/2014 9:59:28 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: GeronL

Sort of like the big city cops— on-call to come and draw a chalk line around murder victims, not to check the culture which spawns them . . .


39 posted on 07/21/2014 10:01:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: indthkr

We have a different set of experiences.


40 posted on 07/21/2014 10:44:44 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: factoryrat
I had a well thought out response for this, and then decided to distill it down to this: expect microsoft to buy out a software company somewhere in India or Asia, and use that to re-incorporate in that country.

As it currently stands, don't Apple and the other big tech companies buy a number of foreign businesses as it is to keep their global earnings from returning into the US?

41 posted on 07/21/2014 4:31:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: blam

bttt


42 posted on 07/21/2014 10:35:55 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Zathras

Not all of the 18kjob cuts are Americans:

“Microsoft will make the deepest cuts from the businesses it acquired from the Finnish phone maker Nokia. About 12,500 of the jobs being eliminated will come from the Nokia groups, resulting from the closing of a factory in Hungary and other changes.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3181448/posts


43 posted on 07/22/2014 8:40:37 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops)
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