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Sowell: Bordering on Madness (Good Read)
Creators Syndicate ^ | July 22, 2014 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 07/21/2014 12:11:02 PM PDT by jazusamo

In a recent confrontation between protesters against the illegal flood of unaccompanied children into the United States and counter-protests by some Hispanic group, one man from the latter group said angrily, "We are as good as you are!"

One of the things that make the history of clashes over race or ethnicity such a history of tragedies around the world is that — regardless of whatever particular issue sets off these clashes — many people see the ultimate stakes as their worth as human beings. On that, there is no room for compromise, but only polarization. That is why playing "the race card" is such an irresponsible and dangerous political game.

The real issue when it comes to immigration is not simply what particular immigration policy America should have, but whether America can have any immigration policy at all.

A country that does not control its own borders does not have any immigration policy. There may be laws on the books, but such laws are just meaningless words if people from other countries can cross the borders whenever they choose.

One of the reasons why many Americans are reluctant to keep out illegal immigrants — or even to call them "illegal immigrants," instead of using the mealy-mouthed word "undocumented" — is that most Hispanics they encounter seem to be decent, hard-working people.

This column has pointed out, more than once, that I have never seen Mexicans standing on a street corner begging, though I have seen both whites and blacks doing so.

But such impressions are no basis for deciding serious issues about immigration and citizenship. When we do not control our own borders, we have no way of knowing how many of those coming across those borders are criminals or even terrorists.

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1 posted on 07/21/2014 12:11:02 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: All; george76

Hat Tip to george76 for linking this video earlier this morning.

It is an excellent and most interesting 14 ½ minute video interview of a retired Border Patrol officer, Zach Taylor, that addresses some points in detail that Thomas Sowell brings up in his article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZnkSXosZhic


2 posted on 07/21/2014 12:12:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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3 posted on 07/21/2014 12:13:36 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
...one man from the latter group said angrily, "We are as good as you are!"

As good as they think they are, they weren't a part of the heritage that built and sustained the United States. They should be taking their goodness and change their own country.

It's not right for outsiders to demand entry into the United States so they could plunder the bounty that our own citizens created for themselves.

-PJ

4 posted on 07/21/2014 12:15:14 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

You’re absolutely right.


5 posted on 07/21/2014 12:21:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“It’s not right for outsiders to demand entry into the United States so they could plunder the bounty that our own citizens created for themselves.”

I don’t blame the people that live in those miserable places to want to come here. I know I would do the same thing if I was in their shoes. And I would bet you would do the same, especially when you’re treated as a national treasure when you get here!

No, the invasion problem we have is not the fault of the invaders, it is OUR fault for allowing them to invade and to actually have a welcome mat waiting for them. It is up to us to keep them out, but obviously the powers that be not only are not interested in doing that, they’re against it.

To take it out on the illegals is to focus on the wrong problem. The problem is American politicians, bureaucrats, corporations and regular people who see a benefit for them to let those people in. That’s where the focus ought to be.

This is no different than you leaving spilled sugar and syrup on the counter and floor and blaming the ants for coming into the house.


6 posted on 07/21/2014 12:31:20 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

They come here and the government spends enough on them to make them the top 1%


7 posted on 07/21/2014 12:32:20 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: jazusamo

“This column has pointed out, more than once, that I have never seen Mexicans standing on a street corner begging, though I have seen both whites and blacks doing so.”

This is a completely irrelevant point.

When DOCUMENTED citizens DO work, they are taxed and pay into the system. They pay their way.

When UNDOCUMENTED people work...they are just THAT ...UN documented... and are NOT paying taxes.

However, they will get to use parks, schools, roads, police services, fire dept services, etc.... all of which are funded by TAXES.

How is it possible to ignore that these services, this infrastructure can serve just SO MANY on the tax revenue which that community produces... others (UNDOCUMENTED’S) who HELP THEMSELVES these services and benefits, use this infrastructure, demand befits, etc. do so as a BURDEN to the system, to which they contribute NOTHING!


8 posted on 07/21/2014 12:41:37 PM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Political Junkie Too

The unstated, but obvious gist to begin with; is that somehow they are entitled to be placed on the same field as American citizens, which in that vein would mean they think they are better than us (having not contributed one whit, but are entitled to all of America’s promises).

That is the implied meaning of “you’re no better than me”.


9 posted on 07/21/2014 12:45:09 PM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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To: aquila48
This is no different than you leaving spilled sugar and syrup on the counter and floor and blaming the ants for coming into the house.

But you don't continue to let the ants into the house while you argue over who spilled the sugar, how to clean up the sugar, who will clean up the sugar, how you are going to prevent the sugar from spilling again, all the while letting the ants continue to eat your other foods.

-PJ

10 posted on 07/21/2014 12:46:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: jurroppi1
That is the implied meaning of “you’re no better than me”.

That's also because they heard that "you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

To foreigners, that was meant to diminish American citizens' claims on America.

-PJ

11 posted on 07/21/2014 12:48:51 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: jazusamo
"We are as good as you are!"

You abandoned your own country like rats deserting a sinking ship, sneaked into our country like thieves in the night, and are now making demands of us. We never left our country or sneaked in anywhere. That, right there, pretty much proves that no, you're not as good as we are.

12 posted on 07/21/2014 12:49:25 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: aquila48

>> This is no different than you leaving spilled sugar and syrup on the counter and floor and blaming the ants for coming into the house.<<

Horsesh*t

These people are thieves. They come here wanting that which they did not earn.

The correct analogy would be me coming to your house and demanding one of your automobiles because I don’t have one. Then one of your neighbors taking it from you and giving it to me.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 12:51:35 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: jazusamo

There are smarter men than Dr. Sowell, and there are wiser men than Dr. Sowell, but darn few of either, and even fewer of those that are both.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 12:58:37 PM PDT by chesley
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To: SMARTY
“This column has pointed out, more than once, that I have never seen Mexicans standing on a street corner begging, though I have seen both whites and blacks doing so.”

The only inference I can draw is that Dr. Sowell has never been to El Paso, TX.

15 posted on 07/21/2014 12:58:44 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: GeronL

“They come here and the government spends enough on them to make them the top 1%”

So who’s fault is that, the immigrants?


16 posted on 07/21/2014 1:00:42 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: jazusamo
When Obammy and Reid look at the flood of illegal Hispanics pouring over our southern border like water over Niagara Falls all they see is multiplied millions of new Dimocrat votes. IIRC Obammy got about 70% of the Hispanic vote last time around, and I'm sure the Dims would like to see that % go even higher when Mrs. Clinton runs against the next-in-line GOP burnt offering.
17 posted on 07/21/2014 1:01:10 PM PDT by epow (We will all reap what we sow, what's growing in your garden?)
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To: jazusamo

A small percentage of the illegal aliens are young children. The enemedia created lie makes a nice cover story for the low information fools.

The Russian Mafia / drug cartels are paying many of the coyotes / rapists to flood the border and beyond with gang bangers / Muslim terrorists. Even the Mexican military provides cover for the drug dealers .

The Russians, Mexicans, elites around the world , our border patrol, etc. know this.

The enemedia has their back.


18 posted on 07/21/2014 1:01:17 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“But you don’t continue to let the ants into the house while you argue over who spilled the sugar, how to clean up the sugar, who will clean up the sugar, how you are going to prevent the sugar from spilling again, all the while letting the ants continue to eat your other foods.”

Yeah, but the ants will if you, the owner of the house, don’t do something about it. Again the ants are not to blame if you have holes in the house and you leave them goodies on the table.


19 posted on 07/21/2014 1:04:43 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Lil Flower

“The correct analogy would be me coming to your house and demanding one of your automobiles because I don’t have one. Then one of your neighbors taking it from you and giving it to me.”

No the correct analogy is you leaving the door open, food on the table, a welcome mat at the door, them coming in eating the food and you letting them do it and asking them if they want a second.

YOU are letting them do that.

And it is US citizens (owners) of the US who are allowing immigrants to do what they are doing.


20 posted on 07/21/2014 1:08:43 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: george76

Bump.


21 posted on 07/21/2014 1:12:58 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Night Hides Not

Whether they pan handle or not isn’t the point. Maybe that can’t be helped.

BUT when you DO find employment ... DO YOU PAY YOUR SHARE of taxes?

THAT’S the issue.

Show me the place where I can go and work without ever paying taxes and I’ll go home now and START PACKING!!!


22 posted on 07/21/2014 1:16:13 PM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: jazusamo
I have never seen Mexicans standing on a street corner begging, though I have seen both whites and blacks doing so.

It's true. Mexicans work - they don't beg. But Mexicans also create countries heavy with worthless elites.. Mexican liberal elites don't do crap beyond oppress their hard working citizens - and fight to abolish any middle class... which is why hard working Mexicans want to escape to here.

23 posted on 07/21/2014 1:17:00 PM PDT by GOPJ (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize-Voltaire)
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To: Night Hides Not
. . . or Tijuana.

But I'll give him credit for this: If you go back even 40 years ago when there were actually some border controls, the slackards didn't even bother to sneak in because their was no bennies waiting for them.

That all changed when Libtard judges decreed that illegals had the same "rights" to freebies distributed by the state as do legals and citizens.

24 posted on 07/21/2014 1:20:26 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GOPJ

Agreed, and their governments are corrupt from the top down to the lowest bureaucratic official.


25 posted on 07/21/2014 1:28:45 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: aquila48
Again the ants are not to blame if you have holes in the house and you leave them goodies on the table.

This is where the analogy breaks down.

The ants are not to blame because they are instinct-driven insects.

The people from Central America who are coming here are not ants; they have free will and make choices. They are to blame for willfully breaking our laws. They know what they're doing. They are not refugees coming from violent certain death, as some Democrats have suggested.

Yes, they are pawns in a movement that was pre-planned six months ago between Obama and his like-minded counterparts in other countries, but they are definetly not blameless.

-PJ

26 posted on 07/21/2014 1:29:05 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: All

If we are no better, then why are there not equal numbers trying to move in each direction?

When you bring up such a concept, and facts or logic do not support the conclusion, it might be better to take a more truthful approach, such as this — we want to invade your country and take it over. Then see how many people support “immigration reform” or whatever this invasion is conveniently called.


27 posted on 07/21/2014 1:39:23 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Sectarian warfare -- no dog in that hunt)
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To: All; BuckeyeTexan

For Reference: BuckeyeTexan transcribed the video and posted a thread [Transcript: Retired Border Patrol Officer Zach Taylor explains surge of illegals on U.S. border].

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3183179/posts


28 posted on 07/21/2014 1:41:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

“We are asgo das you.”

Then no problem create a country like ours in your home nation.


29 posted on 07/21/2014 1:48:06 PM PDT by all the best
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To: aquila48

Am I to assume by your post that you are not an American citizen?


30 posted on 07/21/2014 1:56:49 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: jazusamo

MFLR.


31 posted on 07/21/2014 1:58:34 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Lil Flower

Your assumption is wrong and you’re avoiding answering the question.


32 posted on 07/21/2014 1:59:35 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

First of all, you didn’t ask me a question, therefore I’m avoiding nothing.

You said I am allowing invaders to illegally enter the country instead of we, so you make yourself sound like an outsider.

And as another poster commented, ants are instinct driven insects, not free-willed thinking human beings. Therefore your analogy doesn’t work.

From your posts you are blaming American citizens for a foreign invasion instead of the invaders. Which makes you sound like a liberal, or a proud member of the GOP.


33 posted on 07/21/2014 2:09:41 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: GeronL

Sometimes compassion gets out of hand. Such as when there is more concern for the well being of the fleas than the dog they infest.


34 posted on 07/21/2014 2:15:49 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

lol

Kill fleas or just inconvenience them so they move on??

lol


35 posted on 07/21/2014 2:17:15 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: jazusamo

This battle is lost when the left successfully convinces Hispanic this is a race issue. We can’t even talk about race unless you happen to be of the same race, otherwise they always presume(as racist themselves) that your trying to attack or devalue them personalty.

That is why the left is so fond of the race card, it gets them power and armies without question or other values. As long as they control the media and can maintain that narrative and teach it in the schools as they do. They have an entire race of hate driven political slaves.

This is how the black community are functional slaves of the Democratic party. At every level this is what theses people are taught to live and breave. Anyone who tries to focus on anything else is attacked and removed. In the name of political greed the Democratic party has destroyed the family and couture of African Americans by making them little more than dependent political slaves.

The DNC has robed them of their ambition with lessons of hopelessness, they have robed African Americans of their drive to succeed with easy handouts(which of course come with a political price). The DNC has robed African American’s of their independent mind with the hostile demands of a conformist culture to reinforce this notion and way of life Because its members feel they now depend upon it.

This will end in one of two ways:
1: African Americans will recognize the nature of their enslavement and split off from the Democratic party masters in rebellion.

2: The well will run dry and the welfare and education system that supports this couture will collapse thus forcing African Americans as a whole to start providing for themselves again independent of what they can uses the State to take from the rest of us.

If we can cut them off # 2 will be the forced result with a possibility of using a religious and historical carrot to inspire African American leaders to lead a Revolution in their own community. Thus #1 which is the only solution to #2 anyway.

Thus ultimately that is what we are talking about here. The African American community needs new revolutionary leader to teach them about self-reliance and responsibility again. Only leaders like that will ever liberate them from the effective slavery they now suffer from.


36 posted on 07/21/2014 3:05:17 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Night Hides Not

I’ve been to the market in El Paso near the int. bridge, and I didn’t see any beggars. But when I crossed over into Juarez, I sure saw quite a few. I’ll bet those Juarez beggars made it across the border.


37 posted on 07/21/2014 3:46:57 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: aquila48
And it is US citizens (owners) of the US who are allowing immigrants to do what they are doing.

It's democrats who are putting out the welcome mat... because democrat's ideas are so 'anti-American' that if they don't import new democrats they won't get re-elected.

The problem is most Hispanics are hard working and thoughtful. In three generations they'll be Republicans... and we'll get the last laugh.

38 posted on 07/21/2014 3:59:54 PM PDT by GOPJ (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize-Voltaire)
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To: jazusamo

The voice of sanity.


39 posted on 07/21/2014 4:38:03 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: jazusamo

Border Invaders!!!

Freud said: Sometimes a cigar IS a cigar!

40 posted on 07/21/2014 4:51:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Political Junkie Too
As good as they think they are, they weren't a part of the heritage that built and sustained the United States.

You just alienated a WHOLE lot of folks who were IN the United States before it ever BECAME the United States!!!

41 posted on 07/21/2014 4:53:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jazusamo

I’d think that a couple of folks from the left coast would know the history a bit better.


42 posted on 07/21/2014 4:55:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: george76
The enemedia has their back.

Every day there is a new sob story in the Times.

Now they have advanced to instructing us that the problem is being solved: fewer coming over, freight trains going to be shut down, Mexico's southern border going to be closed, Central American governments trying to convince people not to come, and on and on.

How come I don't hear this anywhere else? (Except when the total prostitutes of the Democratic Party claim from their bully pulpit to the LIVs that the border is secure.)

43 posted on 07/21/2014 4:55:32 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: aquila48
...it is OUR fault for allowing them to invade...

INDEED!

Likewise;c it's OUR FUALT for subsidizing so much sloth, sin, bastardly and abortion.

Goodbye; America...


44 posted on 07/21/2014 4:56:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SMARTY
When UNDOCUMENTED people work...they are just THAT ...UN documented... and are NOT paying taxes.

They pay SALES tax and VEHICLE taxes.

Just no INCOME taxes (If the employer is a criminal; too)

Big deal; they can't vote.

45 posted on 07/21/2014 4:58:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
That all changed when Libtard judges decreed that illegals had the same "rights" to freebies distributed by the state as do legals and citizens.

It was BEFORE this.

It was when we decided to not require ANY work from our 'citizens' to receive money from gummint coffers. Money taken from workers by threat of force.

46 posted on 07/21/2014 5:01:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: firebrand
Wait, I forgot something: WSJ op-ed today says that it's our fault--not for letting it happen, but wait for it as they say--because of our unquenchable hunger for drugs.

Yes, the vast amounts of money destabilize the Central American countries and cause corruption and crime, and that's why the invaders can't help coming here.

Of course being the Libertarian Bible, they also sneak in a little hint that the baddy old war on drugs is also to blame.

Oh yes, and the obligatory gibe at conservatives going nutso on the issue.

Ask me why I even read these papers.

47 posted on 07/21/2014 5:04:32 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Elsie
You just alienated a WHOLE lot of folks who were IN the United States before it ever BECAME the United States!!!

Aren't those people dead?

-PJ

48 posted on 07/21/2014 5:33:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: aquila48

Don’t kid yourself. A significant percentage of those crossing the border illegally are criminals. They come here to commit more crime. There are some good people seeking a better life. They don’t outweigh the criminals. They need to apply legally like everyone else. We cannot take everyone.


49 posted on 07/21/2014 5:40:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

“Don’t kid yourself. A significant percentage of those crossing the border illegally are criminals. They come here to commit more crime. There are some good people seeking a better life. They don’t outweigh the criminals. They need to apply legally like everyone else. We cannot take everyone.”

I don’t disagree with any of that. The question (and my point) is, who’s responsible for letting them in by the hundreds of thousands and even millions?

That’s where our anger should be directed.

If you leave the door of your house wide open with a wallet on the entry floor in a neighborhood known to have thieves criminals and lowlifes and homeless and hungry people and they come in to your house and you’re in there and and they take your wallet and other stuff while you just watch them (maybe even offer them lunch), who do you blame for your loss?

I would say it’s 99.99% your fault. Do you disagree?

And isn’t that what we’re doing with our border and our immigration “policy”?


50 posted on 07/21/2014 6:13:36 PM PDT by aquila48
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