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Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East
zerohedge ^ | 07/21/2014 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 07/21/2014 4:22:57 PM PDT by The Bat Ladys Husband

Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US 'snap judgment') to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:

RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mh17; ukraine
Who are you going to believe-Obama and Kerry or your lying eyes?
1 posted on 07/21/2014 4:22:57 PM PDT by The Bat Ladys Husband
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

1939: Germany Says Has Photos of Poland Attacking Gleiwitz Radio Station


2 posted on 07/21/2014 4:24:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Putin isn’t Hitler. Come on.

I am not more prone to believe Obama than Putin. Are you?


3 posted on 07/21/2014 4:29:48 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST
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...and then the Ukrainians hot footed out of Ukrain into Russia?

Yeah, that’s the ticket.


4 posted on 07/21/2014 4:30:50 PM PDT by RetSignman (obama: "For the love of Alinsky, how much more do I have to do to get them to impeach me"?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

No but numerous other sources put the responsibility on Russia.


5 posted on 07/21/2014 4:31:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband
Zerohedge is just vomiting up Russian propaganda uncritically. Case in point:

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated."

The Russkie shamelessly claims the SU-25 can reach 10KM. It does not. That's why there is a Wikipedia war going on right now with the Russkies trying to upgrade the SU-25, at least online, for a gullible public:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3183152/posts

One can tell that they aren't trying to fool any governments here. They are going after the public, since they know the public isn't likely to know things like what an SU-25 can or can't do, or what the maximum range of a Buk is.

Zerohedge also is reporting on the Russkies "debunking" the photographs of the Buks returning to Russia. Which is also BS:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3183175/posts

Fact of the matter is, these stupid Russkies already admitted to shooting it down and to having the weapons necessary to do it, even while these losers shamelessly put forward all kinds of conspiracy theories to cover it up.

6 posted on 07/21/2014 4:36:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry,

First to know a plane was down was Strelkov, who reported on twitter that they had shut down a Ukrainian AN26. It was immediately followed by Russian TV Life News who also reported shooting a Ukrainian plane. Both instances are documented.

7 posted on 07/21/2014 4:37:35 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

I can make them, too. How about all the nations who lost citizens in the crash get all their intel together, not on an IRS hard drive, keep the originals and have a forum. One nation who did not lose a citizen and can be trusted as arbitrator. Good luck with that.


8 posted on 07/21/2014 4:39:06 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband
I'd believe this before I would believe Lerners e-mails were stored on her hard drive.

The Russian propaganda is at least plausible.

9 posted on 07/21/2014 4:42:13 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

Hey, Russia got the evidence from Dan Rather who picked it up at Kinko’s. What more do you need?!?


10 posted on 07/21/2014 4:48:12 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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“Ukraine has missiles too.”

Those pesky facts again. Dayum!


11 posted on 07/21/2014 5:05:01 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"The Russkie shamelessly claims the SU-25 can reach 10KM. It does not."

The service ceiling of the Frogfoot is 7km but the maximum ceiling is 10km. The "Russkie" is correct. Use a reliable source like Global Security instead of Wikipedia. The fact is right now we have no idea who shot the plane down because the Ukrainians, Russians, and separatists are all liars.

12 posted on 07/21/2014 5:16:08 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband
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Amazing what computers can do these days.

13 posted on 07/21/2014 5:17:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Ivan Mazepa
I saw a video yesterday which featured the plane as it fell before it hit the ground. The one enflamed wing was clearly seen as if the person holding the camera knew exactly where to point his camera. All of the other videos only showed the smoke erupting from the crash site.

Something doesn't smell right.

14 posted on 07/21/2014 5:19:08 PM PDT by Slyfox (When progressives ignore moral parameters, they also lose the natural gift of common sense.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

And I’m an idiot that can’t read...

Global Security says the Ukranians have the 7km max ceiling version.

But I still stand by that everyone in that region is lying about their roles in the event.


15 posted on 07/21/2014 5:20:31 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Azeem
the Ukrainians, Russians, and separatists are all liars.
The difference is frequency: while Ukrainians lie some times, terrorists often, Russians lie always.
16 posted on 07/21/2014 5:26:10 PM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

this and the missing MH370 conspiracy theory together, are thought provoking at least.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/20/wrong-aircraft-identified-as-malaysia-flt-mh-17-fuels-doubts/


17 posted on 07/21/2014 5:26:12 PM PDT by Hypo2
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband
Who are you going to believe-Obama and Kerry or your lying eyes?

Obama/Kerry aren't exactly known for being honest... about anything.

18 posted on 07/21/2014 5:28:34 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

Looks like we’re finally getting to the bottom of this.

I figured the “blame Putin” push was just to get those Central American kids out of the news...and it worked GREAT.


19 posted on 07/21/2014 5:28:57 PM PDT by BobL
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband
re: believing Obama

Remember back at the beginning of Obama's first administration, the "beer summit" because Obama assumed his black friend was correct and the Cambridge MA policemen were in error? Remember Obama's response to Treyvon's death before he had any facts? Didn't Obama ignore warnings about the Tsarnov maniacs? Remember labeling Snowden as a traitor?

My point is that Obama has a sorry history of drawing conclusions based on who he likes and who he doesn't like. And Obama does not like Putin. And Obama jumped to conclusions in this situation based on some strangely perfect "evidence" from Kiev.

20 posted on 07/21/2014 5:39:17 PM PDT by grania (t)
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To: grania

Barry is also deceptive, and I’m not convinced he doesn’t like Putin. He sure doesn’t have much problem with whatever Putin does.


21 posted on 07/21/2014 5:42:57 PM PDT by Hypo2
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To: BobL

Riiight, and Chernobyl was an invention of the evil West, the Finns attacked Russia in 1939, the Germans killed all the Polish officers at Katyn, the South Korean plane had spy equipment on it, etc., etc. the only bottom you are getting to is Putin’s.
End BTW, In the 1930’s the Russians built the biggest public baths in the world, for the first time , individual towels were used. At least uncle Joseph Vissarionovich told me so.


22 posted on 07/21/2014 5:47:22 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: BobL

Agreed. I don’t see why people are wasting so much time worrying about what happens in Europe when we are in the process of being invaded and conquered without a shot fired. If this keeps up, we won’t have to worry about US foreign policy because there won’t be a US.


23 posted on 07/21/2014 5:50:37 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

Naa, I’m just skeptical of trusting President Obama.

But I realize I’m a minority now on this site.


24 posted on 07/21/2014 5:52:38 PM PDT by BobL
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

The whole MH17 story is as watertight as a screen door on a submarine. Evidence is going to pour in.


25 posted on 07/21/2014 5:53:28 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BobL
I figured the “blame Putin” push was just to get those Central American kids out of the news...and it worked GREAT.

That's right. The U.S. State Dept. shot down this jet.
/eyeroll

26 posted on 07/21/2014 5:55:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Samogon

“The difference is frequency: while Ukrainians lie some times, terrorists often, Russians lie always.”

It makes the Russians the most consistent and should be the easiest to deal with, if we had grownups in charge of the White House and State Dept.

It’s really sad they we can’t trust our government to do a thorough and complete investigation, but they have zero credibility like the Russians.

In the end, nothing will happen except the ban on Russian AKs will never go away.


27 posted on 07/21/2014 5:55:58 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: BobL

I don’t trust Hussein, either. Nor do I trust the Russians any more then the socialist radicals in the white mosque. Just like Stalin and Hitler, Hussein and Putin are very similar, but each one wants to be mr. Big. Ergo, the animosity between the two. Putin, though, appears to have much bigger huevos than the queer in chief, I’ll give him that.


28 posted on 07/21/2014 6:00:09 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: grania
Your unconditional love for Putin is admirable, but their evidence stinks. Ukrainian air defense launcher moved right smack into the viper nest of russian terrorists to shoot the Malaysian? Sure, why not. Su-25 was secretly equipped with warp drive just to confuse naive Americans? Of course, happens all the time.
29 posted on 07/21/2014 6:00:25 PM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: 1rudeboy

“That’s right. The U.S. State Dept. shot down this jet.”

No, but they seem to be a LOT MORE interested in it than would normally happen, considering it was a flight between Asia and EUROPE and only had one American on board. Heck, two Americans were killed in Israel yesterday, but no one screaming there.

...and it makes GREAT COVER for getting those pesky kids from Central America off the Sunday shows.

(sorry, that’s how politics works with this bunch)


30 posted on 07/21/2014 6:01:00 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Rome2000

Plausible to a child, communist sympathizer, or moron, maybe.


31 posted on 07/21/2014 6:12:55 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Samogon

I think that Star Trek the original series had an episode like that. Maybe that’s where the Russians got the idea for their weird stories (which keep changing and aren’t consistent with each other).


32 posted on 07/21/2014 6:13:22 PM PDT by Agog
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To: Slyfox

You saw a video, so have I. But it most certainly is NOT either a Boeing 777 or MH17.

The level of complete crap posted on this subject on Free Republic is appalling and embarrassing.


33 posted on 07/21/2014 6:15:24 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

Oh Yeh sure —

And this from the same looting prefabricators who played cat and mouse with the bodies of the victims as they rifled though the evidence disturbing the crime scene for the last 4 days.


34 posted on 07/21/2014 6:15:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

The Russians are playing it like your typical criminal defense attorney. It woulda, coulda, shoulda happened, so therefore it did, thus creating doubt. Beware the big lie, we are not alone when it comes to gullible people.


35 posted on 07/21/2014 6:36:52 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2016! Really??? That's Retarded Sir.)
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To: BobL

yep - Wag the Dog action

When are people going to learn that, when it comes to the boy king, you have to WATCH THE OTHER HAND


36 posted on 07/21/2014 8:53:39 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

Interesting. Finally someone is releasing actual sat images and radar derived info. Not youtube videos or twitter images. And the Russians do not seem to draw any conclusions here. They just draw questions and point out possibilities. Kinda hard to see a Ukraine jet shooting the flight down. Or a Ukraine missile shooting it down. That points to a false flag and crazy tinfoil territory. We do have confirmation however that a military jet was in the vicinity of the commercial flight. Will the Ukraine release their radar data on the flight ? Why hold it back ?


37 posted on 07/21/2014 10:51:05 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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Oops. Not confirmation. Just an accusation that a military jet was in the vicinity. Obviously it may not have been at the same altitude due to the reported attack planes capabilities.


38 posted on 07/21/2014 11:25:42 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: The Bat Ladys Husband

A couple of questions:

My understanding is that the Ukranians have large jet transport aircraft. My understanding is that the pro-Russian separatists do NOT have large jet transport aircraft.

Why wouldn’t the pro-Russian separatists shoot at a jet they knew was not their own? Why would the Ukranians shoot at it?


39 posted on 07/22/2014 6:10:25 AM PDT by jim_trent
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