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Jerry Brown signs gun control bill
Sacramento Bee ^ | July 18, 2014 1:20pm PST | David Siders

Posted on 07/21/2014 9:20:03 PM PDT by blueplum

Gov. Jerry Brown has signed a gun control measure eliminating an exemption for certain semiautomatic pistols from California’s unsafe handgun law, Brown’s office announced Friday.

Assembly Bill 1964, by Assemblyman Roger Dickinson, D-Sacramento, is designed to limit the exemption for single-shot pistols from the state’s unsafe handgun roster, excluding semiautomatic pistols altered to not fire in semiautomatic mode.

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The measure was one of 15 bills Brown announced signing Friday. In another gun measure, Brown signed legislation requiring local courts to notify the Department of Justice more quickly when actions are taken that would result in a person being prohibited from owning guns, such as being found mentally incompetent to stand trial.

Assembly Bill 1591, by Assemblyman Katcho Achadjian, R-San Luis Obispo, shortens from two court days to one the time in which courts must make such a notification.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1591; ab1964; banglist; gunrights; nra
I'm not very clear on what this bill means? Are semi-autos factory modified to single shot now banned?
1 posted on 07/21/2014 9:20:03 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

I think it’s purposely written that way so nobody can understand it.


2 posted on 07/21/2014 9:24:48 PM PDT by wastedyears (Everything Obama does wrong is Bush's fault.)
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To: blueplum
Drip by drip. Bit by bit.

Your freedoms, and your ability to preserve your freedoms, are slowly slipping away.

3 posted on 07/21/2014 9:26:47 PM PDT by Washi
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To: blueplum
"Assembly Bill 1964, by Assemblyman Roger Dickinson, D-Sacramento, is designed to limit the exemption for single-shot pistols from the state’s unsafe handgun roster, excluding semiautomatic pistols altered to not fire in semiautomatic mode. "

Can someone word this in plain English? That sounds like at least three negatives and I am wound into a pretzel trying to sort that one out. Lawyers - sheesh
4 posted on 07/21/2014 9:31:14 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: blueplum

I find it difficult to believe now but when I lived in California it was a gun owners paradise. Almost everything was available and you could just drive out on any rural road, pull over, and shoot about anywhere you wanted.


5 posted on 07/21/2014 9:32:19 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: Washi

Good ole moonbeam, fornicating Californians in one way or another since 1969!


6 posted on 07/21/2014 9:32:49 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: blueplum

Sheesh! It’s quite obviously written by a Democrat.


7 posted on 07/21/2014 9:34:29 PM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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To: blueplum

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1964


8 posted on 07/21/2014 9:38:10 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: blueplum

California has a safe gun roster and if the new gun you want to buy isn’t on it, tough titty unless you are a LEO.

Single shots were eventually exempted for the Thompson Conteder crowd, but everybody figured out off-roster semi-autos could be modified and sold as single shots. The buyer just mods them back to semi-auto after purchase.

This law is meant close this workaround, but I suspect it won’t completely close the loophole.


9 posted on 07/21/2014 9:43:10 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Cheerio

Thank goodness. I’m happy to see I’m not the only one who read that five times and said, what in the blazes did they just say?!


10 posted on 07/21/2014 9:43:16 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

“Semi-auto pistols altered to not fire in semi-auto mode”

Why in the name of John Browning would any red-blooded American do such a thing, mutilate a pistol so?

Something affixed over the mag well? Magazines rigged to accept only one round?
This is crazy talk.


11 posted on 07/21/2014 9:43:34 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: blueplum

“I’m not very clear on what this bill means? Are semi-autos factory modified to single shot now banned? “

Just picked up two Glock 42’s today here in CA. Because they do no have “certain required safety features” ( ie. mag disconnect, loaded cartridge indicator, and they don’t have the gun’s serial number microetched into the firing pin) they are not on the CADOJ list of “Approved Handguns.” But they are not illegal to own and possess, they are just illegal to sell. A cop can buy one for you (that is, if he’s a friend and he’s careful not to do it for too many people), because all handguns are considered “safe” for LEOs here. The single-shot exemption says that so long as the “unsafe semi-automatic handgun” is converted to single-shot, it is legal to be sold. Once the buyer has purchased it, he is free to return it to it’s factory configuration. The SSE rules show you what a $hit state CA is. My Glocks had to be “fitted with a barrel that makes the whole gun 10 inches in overall length (it looked like it had and erection with that barrel installed). Also the mag follower has to be replaced with a fixed shoe so that you can only load one round at a time. So the seller installs this crap, you demonstrate to his satisfaction that you can load the damned thing, and you walk out of the store, then walk back in ( that makes you the owner), and proceed to replace the long barrel and the mag block with the original parts and you are good to go ( only now, only until January of next year).
Only having some of the pending lawsuits regarding our gun laws settled in the favor of the 2A will stop the idiocy here in our legislature. Pretty soon, all you will be able to buy here will be wheel guns.


12 posted on 07/21/2014 9:46:16 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Cheerio

I read it to mean that they were “tightening up” on the category: ‘Single shot pistols’ and placing more of them in (or, these particular guns no longer fall outside) the ‘Dangerous Pistols’ (did I read that right?) category, which I suppose makes them Unclean in Californastan.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 9:48:33 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: blueplum

Isn’t this guy dead yet? He was a bad governor decades ago when I lived there, he must be truly terrible now.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 9:51:03 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: tumblindice

My bad:
‘Dangerous handgun”= ‘Unsafe handguns’
Whatever. Safe and unsafe handguns.
Heh


15 posted on 07/21/2014 9:51:16 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: blueplum

In CA, you can only buy a gun that is on the “not unsafe” list. My understanding is that single-shot pistols are exempted. So some people would get around this by converting a gun not on this list to fire only single-shot, but by doing a little gunsmithing, you could later convert it back to semi and thus bypass the law.


16 posted on 07/21/2014 9:53:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: blueplum

What this means, in simple language, is that honest citizens assaulted by thugs and would-be robbers, murderers and rapists are now restricted to spitting orange seeds at their attackers.

The attckers, of course, respecting neither laws nor restrictions, will be armed with the very latest in weaponry.


17 posted on 07/21/2014 10:00:16 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: umgud

I took it as a matter of pride that when I bought my first pistol it had a big warning label on the box. This Firearm is Not Legal in the State of California.


18 posted on 07/21/2014 10:01:17 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: smokingfrog

“So some people would get around this by converting a gun not on this list to fire only single-shot, but by doing a little gunsmithing, you could later convert it back to semi and thus bypass the law.”

Gunsmithing is not required. Read #12 above


19 posted on 07/21/2014 11:18:21 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Jack Hammer

“What this means, in simple language, is that honest citizens assaulted by thugs and would-be robbers, murderers and rapists are now restricted to spitting orange seeds at their attackers.”

Well, not yet! Here is what you can buy new in CA legally today.

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov

And as it states, person-to-person resales are exempt, and so are interfamilial transfers. And FWIW, Californians purchased 600,000 new guns of all types last year, and the build your own folks are very active.


20 posted on 07/21/2014 11:26:22 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: BBell
The endless spew of gun control laws made it easy to sell my house in San Diego and move to Idaho. I could never move back...and have no desire to do so.
21 posted on 07/21/2014 11:29:32 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: vette6387

Excellent - The State dictates what you can and cannot buy.

Sorta like Mommy when we were kids.


22 posted on 07/21/2014 11:49:20 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Myrddin
When I was last in California the Camino Real in Carlsbad had a Woolworth that had an awesome selection of firearms and lots of cases of ammunition. It sold all kinds of military surplus as well as Ak 74,Ak 47,ar 15, mac 10, and all kinds of other stuff, in a MALL!!

The guy that ran the sporting goods department was a gun enthusiast and he knew all about the weapons. He sold me a Swedish Mauser with all matching serial numbers. When the shipment came in he had set it aside from the others because of it's condition. I was there once and I guess he decided he was not going to purchase it for himself so he asked me if I wanted it. I think it was $69.95 and I still have it. Very nice guy who always remembered his customers.

Those days will never come back.

23 posted on 07/22/2014 12:03:06 AM PDT by BBell (I'm cynical and sarcastic and therefore I love Ann Coulter)
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To: 21twelve

The “not legal in the state of California” disclaimer applies to almost anything you buy. It’s like “looking for the union label”. I buy the not legal in California products whenever I can (they tend to outlaw the products that actually work).


24 posted on 07/22/2014 12:18:43 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: tumblindice; All

Something affixed over the mag well? Magazines rigged to accept only one round?...This is crazy talk.
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Revolvers are semi-automatic; each trigger pull = one shot. How do they propose to make revolvers ‘single-shot’ guns?

In my eighth grade metal shop, several guys made zip guns. Some fired .22 shorts and other used high-powered firecrackers to fire ball bearings or marbles. Each was a ‘single-shot’ weapon, until reloaded.


25 posted on 07/22/2014 12:30:21 AM PDT by octex
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To: octex

I hope California becomes just like Chicago, a “gun free” state. Then watch their crime rate escalate out of control worse than it already is. They deserve it!


26 posted on 07/22/2014 4:37:47 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: blueplum

Multiculturalism at work here.

Making the streets safer for illegal alien gangs.


27 posted on 07/22/2014 4:58:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: vette6387

I showed that list to my Wife last night. She couldn’t believe it.

We have exactly ZERO guns that are, “California Safe.”


28 posted on 07/22/2014 5:15:57 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: blueplum

And to think, back in 1982, the voters of California defeated Prop 15 to ban the sale of handguns in that state.

Since that day the politicians have been finding ways around the will of the people one nibble at a time.


29 posted on 07/22/2014 6:33:16 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: BBell

T Rex was running wild in the streets when things were that good :-)


30 posted on 07/22/2014 7:18:47 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: j. earl carter
The “not legal in the state of California” disclaimer applies to almost anything you buy. It’s like “looking for the union label”. I buy the not legal in California products whenever I can (they tend to outlaw the products that actually work).
One of the California things that really (#@!*$${@$* me off is the CARB-compliant gas cans. Those things suck so bad that space is a vacuum because of them. I HATE THEM!

I just found at Tractor Supply (bless them) a replacement spout and vent combo to replace the ridiculous "vent in the spout" self-sealing crud that is all you can buy nowadays. Just replace the OEM spout, drill a 1/2-inch hole in the top rear of the gas can, and pop in the vent. I'm just surprised it took so long for someone to market something like that. (Of course it is sold for "water jugs", *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*...)

Calipoliticians suck moose *$#*&@(*&^

31 posted on 07/22/2014 10:33:20 AM PDT by Peet (Liberals are the feces that are created when shame eats too much stupid. -Dale Gribble)
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To: RandallFlagg

“I showed that list to my Wife last night. She couldn’t believe it.
We have exactly ZERO guns that are, “California Safe.””

Actually, thanks to SSE, so do we, except for the AR which has a “bullet button” mag release.
The other thing that’s inane, is the rules for the ten day waiting period for a handgun. It is ten days “to the minute.” Owing to the paperwork signing for each of the last two guns, We could pick up one at 1:31 p.m and the other I had to wait until 1:37! Our legislature is made up of: 1. ineffective and powerless RINOs, 2. Dumb Mexicans, 3. white loony liberals, 4. a few token Black morons. and 5. a small cadre of San Francisco-based queers.


32 posted on 07/22/2014 11:30:28 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Peet
RE: gas cans

I'm with you. I bought a couple of those spout/vent kits already. However, even those are illegal in Ohio (we have a Tractor Supply in town, they don't sell them), and I had to mail order them.

While the gas can thing may have started with CA Nazis, it's the federal Nazis that have forced this thing on the whole nation (law was passed before Obama even took office).

33 posted on 07/23/2014 10:56:25 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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