Skip to comments.Federal Judge: Forget Lethal Injections, Use Firing Squads
Posted on 07/22/2014 3:00:08 AM PDT by Enterprise
Killing people is a brutal and messy business and if Americans can't deal with that, they shouldn't be condemning people to death, a top federal judge says. In a strongly worded dissent in an Arizona lethal-injection case, Alex Kozinski, chief judge of the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals, calls the current system "inherently flawed" and says states that want to execute inmates should return to more "primitiveand foolproofmethods" of execution, NBC reports. "The guillotine is probably best but seems inconsistent with our national ethos. And the electric chair, hanging and the gas chamber are each subject to occasional mishaps," he writes. "The firing squad strikes me as the most promising. Eight or ten large-caliber rifle bullets fired at close range can inflict massive damage, causing instant death every time.
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I have a Marlin 45-70 Government Guide Scout I’m itching to try out.
This judge “gets it”.
...and policing up spent brass aids in job creation. Then there’s that punishment fitting the crime thingy.
THANK YOU!!!!!! I feel like this is the most common sense I’ve heard from a judge in 5 years.
Good as anything else. A cup of Hemlock, a dagger in the chest—anything that will do the job. For some crimes—burial alive would be justice.
Future headline: VOLUNTEERS WANTED FOR FIRING SQUAD. BRING YOUR OWN PISTOL OR RIFLE AND AMMUNITION. HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES ARE ACCEPTABLE.
He understands completely. Quit pussyfooting around and just get it done.
It is common sense at its best.
Actually, there are simple and apparently painless methods of causing instant loss of conciousness and quick death.
For example, quickly replace the air in the death chamber with nitrogen or another inert gas. Out like a light very quickly. Death in a few minutes. Let the chamber sit at 100% nitrogen for half hour, pump in air to replace, go in, certify death, go home.
Or why not use some of that confiscated heroin to induce a massive overdose? Presumably the killee will go out not only painlessly, but with a big smile on his face.
This whole mess is emblematic of an American attitude that causes a whole bunch of similar problems. We prefer to have things appear to be neat, tidy and painless, even if they cause a great deal more actual damage.
A few examples:
The logical approach to dealing with non-violent (and possibly even mildly violent) first offenders is a good flogging. Humans have a mental mechanism whereby pain induces a desire to avoid whatever caused the pain. So why not use it? Instead, we lock young guys up in prison, pretending that’s more humane, where they run immense risk of sexual or physical assault much more damaging than a reasonable flogging. I know that given the choice I’d take a flogging followed by a week facedown in the hospital over a month in the slammer with hardened criminals.
Boxing. Old-time bare-knuckle boxing was bloody and brutal, no doubt about it. So we add pillowy gloves to minimize the cutting of the skin that causes the blood to flow. Result: less blood and boxers develop brain damage that makes them “punchy” from the brain bouncing off the walls of the skull repeatedly. Without gloves, that just didn’t happen. A person simply cannot hit somebody hard enough in the head to do that kind of damage without breaking his hands. No gloves, lots of blood, little longterm damage to the fighters. Gloves, little blood, fighters usually brain damaged.
Football: This one is similar to boxing. Rugby is played quite roughly, yet the brain damage common in American football players is seldom seen. The “armor” worn by American footballers allows and encourages them to hit much harder than Rugbyists can without seriously injuring themselves. So the padding encourages more severe injuries, it doesn’t prevent them.
There are multiple other examples of our national tendency to trade the appearance of nonviolence for a reality of worse damage. Very sad.
It can’t be cruel or unusual if the right guns are used. Blindfold, bammmmm! Over.
Perhaps that is why the feds bought all those .40 cal rounds. Might be planning a BIG TIME firing squad.
Televised every Friday.
So. Use the guillotine for wogs and the firing squad for civilized monsters. The last person France executed (1977) was a wog from North Africa who killed his girlfriend.
I don’t know, I always thought a quick death really isn’t punishment. I mean you feel pain for a few seconds then it is all over. What kind of punishment is that?
Instead what I propose is the “Sick and tired” method of execution. What you do is take the criminal, tie him in a straight jacket, place him a cement cell (no pads on the walls) and on the ceiling of these cells out of reach are giant 1000 watt speakers capable of reaching the decibel levels of jet engines.
Then once you lock the door, you play this tape over and over until the criminals head explodes or he smashes his brains out on the wall...........
Shoot straight, you bastards Don't make a mess of it!
BTW, in traditional firing squads the person being executed very frequently was still alive when the shooting stopped. Which led to the tradition of the officer in charge finishing the guy off with one or more pistol shots to the head.
Which of course brings up the fairly obvious question of why not skip the preliminaries and go straight to the finale, as the Chinese do.
Hmmmm....... Hanging was not mentioned. It is cheap and Saddam Hussein taught us , quite effective.
I’m all for hosting executions at the stadium.
My complaint is that the electric chair is a single seater...I think we need to wire up the bleachers and eliminate the backlog (since waiting 20-30 years is now, “cruel and unusual”).
Firing squads with today’s ammo prices??? Why not just feed them Michelle Obama’s school lunches and be done with it?
I vote for the guillotine!!!
According to this, thousands of guillotines have been purchased by the U.S. government, to be used in the future on resistors to the New World Order, i.e. people like us.
Indeed you just need one bullet that would blow the head clean off to quote Dirty Harry.
These punishments should be reserved for only the most heinous crimes, such as failure to use sarcasm tags.
Rope is a much more earth-friendly solution.
Low-tech, reusable, renewable resource, etc.
Even better, make the rope from hemp!
Why does your boy let his Mac speak for him? Whackjob nonsense!
Reusable? is that sanitary?
Just make them wear a plastic bag over their head. For their safety.
The problem “Progressives” have with the death penalty is that they (officially) don’t believe in life after death, heaven and hell, or the Final Judgement.
They do not believe in accountability (except for some of their enemies) and they do not believe in absolute truth.
Execution involves ALL of these factors. Death for a criminal from old age just involves “passing the buck” to subsequent generations until “Nature” takes her course.
Kinda like the National Debt, the Social Security “Lockbox” and the Highway Trust Fund.
Bovine excrement can at least be utilized to fertilize fields. Congress, Federal bureaucrats and liberal judges cannot be used for even that.
They are TOTALLY useless. (”Without redeeming social value?”)
I like the gravy/wolverine idea...
In the process of becoming two quarter brothers, Saddam's half-brother, Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti, managed to combine the best of the guillotine and the rope into one execution.
He's not the only one:
Nice thought, but the lawyers will probably sue due to the lead content of the bullets posing a cancer threat to the about-to-be-executed inmates.
...and they’ll probably win.
You can tell by the first line this is a UNIFORMED LIBERAL IDIOT!
The Death Penalty since they went to the injection method is more like going in for a operation and not waking up.
I just had my beloved Rocket put down when Doc found wide spread cancer while trying to remove a kidney stone. He just never woke up from the surgery. He never will suffer the slow painful death of wide spread cancer.
NOW that the subject is OPEN YOUR HELP IS NEEDED ASAP! WE HAVE THE WORST KIND OF KILLER STILL BREATHING AND A SPINELESS GOP RINO GOV.A CHILD RAPIST/KILLER, NIKKI WAS JUST 8 YEARS OLD. Her killer has been on death row longer than she lived on earth.
Ashley ‘Nikki’ Read, 2 juries decided that the Death Penalty was the correct punishment for the RAPE and MURDER of this 8 year old.. ALL APPEALS have run out. Justice delayed is Justice DENIED!
TN Gov email is email@example.com
This CHILD RAPIST HAS RUN OUT OF ALL 20 YRS OF APPEALS, TN GOV Halsam still has NOT SET AN EXECUTION DATE OR SIGNED A DEATH WARRANT, EMAIL HIM TO DO SO firstname.lastname@example.org 615 741-2001 Phone calls are more effective.
This is 20 years of appeals. 24 YRS SINCE THE CRIME. TOOK ONLY THE DNA TO PROVE WHO DID IT, #1 SUSPECT. DNA & confession proved he raped, strangled to death with her OWN SHOE LACES 8 year old Ashley ‘Nicki’ Read and then threw her body in the river. Even helped hunt for what was thought to be a missing child.
I worked with one of the victims of a man on Az Death Row. (A family member was brutally murdered). She told me how horrible it was when the time came (finally) for him to be executed and the MEDIA, et al, were pleading to spare this man the inhumane treatment of the Death Penalty. It’s as if the victim’s families were being victimized over again and NONE of the media et al, thought to ask her how she felt. It was as if the Murderer was the Victim. She would watch people protesting, pleading with signs to save this multi-murderer’s life, while ignoring her family member’s brutal murder and the other victims. It was as if the victims didn’t exist and if their names were mentioned, it was in passing, almost as if the media et al, wanted to make the victims inhuman.
Haha, imagine the outcry from the Hoplophobes.
Personally I’d opt for the old west method, Hanging, in front of the jail, where other of that ilk are housed, so they can see what they face. Good example how to deter bad behavior and eliminate pond scum. And it is reusable.
It doesnt even need to be as expensive as that. 6 rifles, 22 caliber, all fired simultaneously into the heart would do the trick very well, at a cost of less than 50 cents for the shells. The rifles could be used time after time.
Instead he now walks free after 6 long hard fought parole hearings. And I pack heat because of it. LOUSY plea deals are as bad as not carrying out Justice that 2 juries have handed down in the Nikki Read case.
Victims are constantly re-victimized. Just turning on the nightly news triggers the flashbacks. It effects what you watch in movies or TV shows. NO crime shows are allowed in my house.
It controls our emotions when birthdays, Christmas, and death dates happens.
I’ve coined a term for it, since I live it. SEASONAL GRIEF DISORDER!
My friends and family know when those dates happen they have a different crying mom who can’t be comforted on their hands.
And all those MSM sticking their mics in your face, makes it worse! Because you are going to have those flashbacks.
I am so sorry. I can’t believe that murderous cretin walks among us. There are no words.
Imagine if the word got out across the land,
that EIGHT 45-70’s are looking at the criminal,
with, of course, the little history that the round
was good to put down a warring brave’s
I was thinking of something with Yoko Ono singing,...but I think this will do quite nicely.
I am so sorry.
Actually they’d be more humane than some of the botched injections I’ve read about.