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Federal Judge: Forget Lethal Injections, Use Firing Squads
Newser ^ | July 22, 2014 | Rob Quinn

Posted on 07/22/2014 3:00:08 AM PDT by Enterprise

Killing people is a brutal and messy business and if Americans can't deal with that, they shouldn't be condemning people to death, a top federal judge says. In a strongly worded dissent in an Arizona lethal-injection case, Alex Kozinski, chief judge of the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals, calls the current system "inherently flawed" and says states that want to execute inmates should return to more "primitive—and foolproof—methods" of execution, NBC reports. "The guillotine is probably best but seems inconsistent with our national ethos. And the electric chair, hanging and the gas chamber are each subject to occasional mishaps," he writes. "The firing squad strikes me as the most promising. Eight or ten large-caliber rifle bullets fired at close range can inflict massive damage, causing instant death every time.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bullets; executions; guns
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Ready on the right. Ready on the left. The firing squad is ready.
1 posted on 07/22/2014 3:00:08 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise

I have a Marlin 45-70 Government Guide Scout I’m itching to try out.


2 posted on 07/22/2014 3:01:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Enterprise

This judge “gets it”.


3 posted on 07/22/2014 3:04:54 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: Hugh the Scot

...and policing up spent brass aids in job creation. Then there’s that punishment fitting the crime thingy.


4 posted on 07/22/2014 3:12:29 AM PDT by Huaynero
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To: Enterprise

THANK YOU!!!!!! I feel like this is the most common sense I’ve heard from a judge in 5 years.


5 posted on 07/22/2014 3:13:25 AM PDT by Politicalkiddo (You cannot protect a child from child abuse by aborting it. Abortion *is* child abuse.)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Good as anything else. A cup of Hemlock, a dagger in the chest—anything that will do the job. For some crimes—burial alive would be justice.


6 posted on 07/22/2014 3:13:41 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Gaffer
The anti death penalty groups and gullible Federal Judges brought about the use of drugs to carry out a death sentence. And that brought out more problems. I agree with the Judge in this article, just go back to firing squads.

Future headline: VOLUNTEERS WANTED FOR FIRING SQUAD. BRING YOUR OWN PISTOL OR RIFLE AND AMMUNITION. HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES ARE ACCEPTABLE.

7 posted on 07/22/2014 3:14:49 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Hugh the Scot

He understands completely. Quit pussyfooting around and just get it done.


8 posted on 07/22/2014 3:15:34 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Politicalkiddo

It is common sense at its best.


9 posted on 07/22/2014 3:16:20 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

Actually, there are simple and apparently painless methods of causing instant loss of conciousness and quick death.

For example, quickly replace the air in the death chamber with nitrogen or another inert gas. Out like a light very quickly. Death in a few minutes. Let the chamber sit at 100% nitrogen for half hour, pump in air to replace, go in, certify death, go home.

Or why not use some of that confiscated heroin to induce a massive overdose? Presumably the killee will go out not only painlessly, but with a big smile on his face.

This whole mess is emblematic of an American attitude that causes a whole bunch of similar problems. We prefer to have things appear to be neat, tidy and painless, even if they cause a great deal more actual damage.

A few examples:

The logical approach to dealing with non-violent (and possibly even mildly violent) first offenders is a good flogging. Humans have a mental mechanism whereby pain induces a desire to avoid whatever caused the pain. So why not use it? Instead, we lock young guys up in prison, pretending that’s more humane, where they run immense risk of sexual or physical assault much more damaging than a reasonable flogging. I know that given the choice I’d take a flogging followed by a week facedown in the hospital over a month in the slammer with hardened criminals.

Boxing. Old-time bare-knuckle boxing was bloody and brutal, no doubt about it. So we add pillowy gloves to minimize the cutting of the skin that causes the blood to flow. Result: less blood and boxers develop brain damage that makes them “punchy” from the brain bouncing off the walls of the skull repeatedly. Without gloves, that just didn’t happen. A person simply cannot hit somebody hard enough in the head to do that kind of damage without breaking his hands. No gloves, lots of blood, little longterm damage to the fighters. Gloves, little blood, fighters usually brain damaged.

Football: This one is similar to boxing. Rugby is played quite roughly, yet the brain damage common in American football players is seldom seen. The “armor” worn by American footballers allows and encourages them to hit much harder than Rugbyists can without seriously injuring themselves. So the padding encourages more severe injuries, it doesn’t prevent them.

There are multiple other examples of our national tendency to trade the appearance of nonviolence for a reality of worse damage. Very sad.


10 posted on 07/22/2014 3:19:16 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Enterprise

It can’t be cruel or unusual if the right guns are used. Blindfold, bammmmm! Over.


11 posted on 07/22/2014 3:22:09 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Hugh the Scot
...naked upside-down crucifixions on TV once a week at halftime on the Monday Night Football game! Halftime! Monday Night! The Monday Night Crucifixions!
12 posted on 07/22/2014 3:24:53 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Sherman Logan

Perhaps that is why the feds bought all those .40 cal rounds. Might be planning a BIG TIME firing squad.


13 posted on 07/22/2014 3:25:45 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Enterprise
And choose random voters, for execution duty, just like jury duty.

Televised every Friday.

14 posted on 07/22/2014 3:36:39 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Enterprise
The guillotine is probably best but seems inconsistent with our national ethos ... The firing squad strikes me as the most promising.

So. Use the guillotine for wogs and the firing squad for civilized monsters. The last person France executed (1977) was a wog from North Africa who killed his girlfriend.

15 posted on 07/22/2014 3:36:53 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Enterprise

I don’t know, I always thought a quick death really isn’t punishment. I mean you feel pain for a few seconds then it is all over. What kind of punishment is that?

Instead what I propose is the “Sick and tired” method of execution. What you do is take the criminal, tie him in a straight jacket, place him a cement cell (no pads on the walls) and on the ceiling of these cells out of reach are giant 1000 watt speakers capable of reaching the decibel levels of jet engines.

Then once you lock the door, you play this tape over and over until the criminals head explodes or he smashes his brains out on the wall...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0


16 posted on 07/22/2014 3:37:23 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Enterprise
I remember the last line from Breaker Morant as Morant is facing his firing squad.

Shoot straight, you bastards Don't make a mess of it!

17 posted on 07/22/2014 3:39:43 AM PDT by xp38
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To: DaveA37
I guess mid-caliber pistol rounds would do the job, but seems kind of silly when there are much more effective ammo types available.

BTW, in traditional firing squads the person being executed very frequently was still alive when the shooting stopped. Which led to the tradition of the officer in charge finishing the guy off with one or more pistol shots to the head.

Which of course brings up the fairly obvious question of why not skip the preliminaries and go straight to the finale, as the Chinese do.

18 posted on 07/22/2014 3:40:23 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Enterprise

Hmmmm....... Hanging was not mentioned. It is cheap and Saddam Hussein taught us , quite effective.


19 posted on 07/22/2014 3:40:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Rodamala

I’m all for hosting executions at the stadium.
My complaint is that the electric chair is a single seater...I think we need to wire up the bleachers and eliminate the backlog (since waiting 20-30 years is now, “cruel and unusual”).


20 posted on 07/22/2014 3:43:56 AM PDT by outofsalt
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To: Enterprise

Firing squads with today’s ammo prices??? Why not just feed them Michelle Obama’s school lunches and be done with it?


21 posted on 07/22/2014 3:44:49 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Enterprise

I vote for the guillotine!!!


22 posted on 07/22/2014 3:46:40 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: cynwoody
Be careful what you wish for.

According to this, thousands of guillotines have been purchased by the U.S. government, to be used in the future on resistors to the New World Order, i.e. people like us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujX8evzRXN0

23 posted on 07/22/2014 3:47:35 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Sherman Logan

Indeed you just need one bullet that would blow the head clean off to quote Dirty Harry.


24 posted on 07/22/2014 3:48:42 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Rodamala

These punishments should be reserved for only the most heinous crimes, such as failure to use sarcasm tags.


25 posted on 07/22/2014 3:51:34 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: Enterprise

Rope is a much more earth-friendly solution.

Low-tech, reusable, renewable resource, etc.

Even better, make the rope from hemp!


26 posted on 07/22/2014 3:52:15 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Jess Kitting

Why does your boy let his Mac speak for him? Whackjob nonsense!


27 posted on 07/22/2014 3:52:59 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: P.O.E.

——reusable-—

Reusable? is that sanitary?


28 posted on 07/22/2014 3:53:35 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: bert

Just make them wear a plastic bag over their head. For their safety.


29 posted on 07/22/2014 3:56:38 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Enterprise

The problem “Progressives” have with the death penalty is that they (officially) don’t believe in life after death, heaven and hell, or the Final Judgement.

They do not believe in accountability (except for some of their enemies) and they do not believe in absolute truth.

Execution involves ALL of these factors. Death for a criminal from old age just involves “passing the buck” to subsequent generations until “Nature” takes her course.

Kinda like the National Debt, the Social Security “Lockbox” and the Highway Trust Fund.

Bovine excrement can at least be utilized to fertilize fields. Congress, Federal bureaucrats and liberal judges cannot be used for even that.

They are TOTALLY useless. (”Without redeeming social value?”)


30 posted on 07/22/2014 4:00:41 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: Rodamala

I like the gravy/wolverine idea...


31 posted on 07/22/2014 4:05:25 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: bert
Hmmmm....... Hanging was not mentioned. It is cheap and Saddam Hussein taught us , quite effective.

In the process of becoming two quarter brothers, Saddam's half-brother, Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti, managed to combine the best of the guillotine and the rope into one execution.

Pic

32 posted on 07/22/2014 4:06:10 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
Maybe he doesn't want people to recognize his voice.

He's not the only one:

Beheading Prophecy from Revelation

33 posted on 07/22/2014 4:11:21 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Enterprise

Nice thought, but the lawyers will probably sue due to the lead content of the bullets posing a cancer threat to the about-to-be-executed inmates.

...and they’ll probably win.


34 posted on 07/22/2014 4:22:24 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Jess Kitting
And I saw thrones, and they that sat on them. And judgment was given to them, and to the souls of the ones having been beheaded because of the witness of Jesus, and because of the Word of God, and who had not worshipped the beast nor its image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand.

Revelation 20:4

35 posted on 07/22/2014 4:24:39 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Enterprise; All

These two boys are long gone!

36 posted on 07/22/2014 4:35:41 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (The democ"RAT"ic party preys on the ignorant..!)
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To: Enterprise
Ohio is on the right track here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfsMMVgIToA
37 posted on 07/22/2014 4:48:19 AM PDT by j_guru
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To: Enterprise

You can tell by the first line this is a UNIFORMED LIBERAL IDIOT!

The Death Penalty since they went to the injection method is more like going in for a operation and not waking up.

I just had my beloved Rocket put down when Doc found wide spread cancer while trying to remove a kidney stone. He just never woke up from the surgery. He never will suffer the slow painful death of wide spread cancer.

NOW that the subject is OPEN YOUR HELP IS NEEDED ASAP! WE HAVE THE WORST KIND OF KILLER STILL BREATHING AND A SPINELESS GOP RINO GOV.A CHILD RAPIST/KILLER, NIKKI WAS JUST 8 YEARS OLD. Her killer has been on death row longer than she lived on earth.

Ashley ‘Nikki’ Read, 2 juries decided that the Death Penalty was the correct punishment for the RAPE and MURDER of this 8 year old.. ALL APPEALS have run out. Justice delayed is Justice DENIED!

TN Gov email is bill.haslam@tn.gov
615 741-2001

David Keen
http://murderpedia.org/male.K/k/keen-david.htm

This CHILD RAPIST HAS RUN OUT OF ALL 20 YRS OF APPEALS, TN GOV Halsam still has NOT SET AN EXECUTION DATE OR SIGNED A DEATH WARRANT, EMAIL HIM TO DO SO bill.haslam@tn.gov 615 741-2001 Phone calls are more effective.

This is 20 years of appeals. 24 YRS SINCE THE CRIME. TOOK ONLY THE DNA TO PROVE WHO DID IT, #1 SUSPECT. DNA & confession proved he raped, strangled to death with her OWN SHOE LACES 8 year old Ashley ‘Nicki’ Read and then threw her body in the river. Even helped hunt for what was thought to be a missing child.


38 posted on 07/22/2014 4:48:34 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Enterprise

I worked with one of the victims of a man on Az Death Row. (A family member was brutally murdered). She told me how horrible it was when the time came (finally) for him to be executed and the MEDIA, et al, were pleading to spare this man the inhumane treatment of the Death Penalty. It’s as if the victim’s families were being victimized over again and NONE of the media et al, thought to ask her how she felt. It was as if the Murderer was the Victim. She would watch people protesting, pleading with signs to save this multi-murderer’s life, while ignoring her family member’s brutal murder and the other victims. It was as if the victims didn’t exist and if their names were mentioned, it was in passing, almost as if the media et al, wanted to make the victims inhuman.


39 posted on 07/22/2014 4:49:50 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Haha, imagine the outcry from the Hoplophobes.


40 posted on 07/22/2014 4:50:58 AM PDT by Politicalkiddo (You cannot protect a child from child abuse by aborting it. Abortion *is* child abuse.)
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To: Enterprise

Personally I’d opt for the old west method, Hanging, in front of the jail, where other of that ilk are housed, so they can see what they face. Good example how to deter bad behavior and eliminate pond scum. And it is reusable.


41 posted on 07/22/2014 4:51:03 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Enterprise

It doesnt even need to be as expensive as that. 6 rifles, 22 caliber, all fired simultaneously into the heart would do the trick very well, at a cost of less than 50 cents for the shells. The rifles could be used time after time.


42 posted on 07/22/2014 4:55:59 AM PDT by weezel
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To: Izzy Dunne
There are a lot of murder victims family members quite willing to inject, pull the lever, or shot the pond scum.

If they would put my 16 year old going on 12 year old mentally and physically JEREMY PETER FLACHBART'S killer terry joe windham straped down on a gurney with the equipment in place I'd gladly push the plunger! With NO QUALMS!

Instead he now walks free after 6 long hard fought parole hearings. And I pack heat because of it. LOUSY plea deals are as bad as not carrying out Justice that 2 juries have handed down in the Nikki Read case.

DEATH!


43 posted on 07/22/2014 5:04:13 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Enterprise

Nitrogen Asphyxiation


44 posted on 07/22/2014 5:10:41 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: machogirl

Victims are constantly re-victimized. Just turning on the nightly news triggers the flashbacks. It effects what you watch in movies or TV shows. NO crime shows are allowed in my house.

It controls our emotions when birthdays, Christmas, and death dates happens.

I’ve coined a term for it, since I live it. SEASONAL GRIEF DISORDER!

My friends and family know when those dates happen they have a different crying mom who can’t be comforted on their hands.

And all those MSM sticking their mics in your face, makes it worse! Because you are going to have those flashbacks.


45 posted on 07/22/2014 5:16:20 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: GailA

I am so sorry. I can’t believe that murderous cretin walks among us. There are no words.


46 posted on 07/22/2014 5:19:17 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Gaffer

Imagine if the word got out across the land,
that EIGHT 45-70’s are looking at the criminal,
with, of course, the little history that the round
was good to put down a warring brave’s
steed.


47 posted on 07/22/2014 5:22:07 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Then once you lock the door, you play this tape over and over until the criminals head explodes or he smashes his brains out on the wall...........

I was thinking of something with Yoko Ono singing,...but I think this will do quite nicely.

48 posted on 07/22/2014 5:24:34 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: GailA

I am so sorry.


49 posted on 07/22/2014 5:25:09 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Enterprise

Actually they’d be more humane than some of the botched injections I’ve read about.


50 posted on 07/22/2014 5:29:21 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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