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IRS: Hey, maybe we do have our e-mail backups
Hotair ^ | 07/22/2014 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 07/22/2014 5:32:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Does the IRS actually have their backups for e-mail from the period when Lois Lerner and her group targeted conservative groups for extra scrutiny on tax-exempt applications? The agency claimed a month ago that it overwrote the tapes every six months, in one of the most notorious (and unsuccessful) Friday afternoon document dumps ever. New testimony from one of the IRS’ top lawyers released last night by the House Oversight Committee casts doubt on that story (via Instapundit):

The IRS might not have lost the backups of former agency administrator Lois Lerner’s emails after all, according to top IRS official.

In testimony released Monday, Thomas Kane, the IRS’s deputy associate chief counsel, told House Oversight investigators last week that the agency was examining whether all back-up tapes which held the emails have been recycled.

The IRS told lawmakers in June that the tapes had been recycled, one of the reasons that an untold number of Lerner’s emails were missing. Since then, the IRS commissioner, John Koskinen, has repeatedly stood by those statements in congressional testimony.

But Kane, the top IRS official in charge of producing documents for Congress, said on Thursday that: “I don’t know if there is a backup tape with information on it or there isn’t. I know that there’s an issue out there about it.” …

In the transcript released by Issa, Kane also insists that the IRS believed that the tapes had been recycled when it told Congress more than a month ago that it couldn’t recover all of Lerner’s emails. He doesn’t say why that might not be the case anymore.

At some point, this begins to look like trolling. We have them! We don’t have them! We may have them, but … er … we don’t know!

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: backups; email; irs

1 posted on 07/22/2014 5:32:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Wonder how “sanitized” these newfound e-mails have become?????


2 posted on 07/22/2014 5:34:44 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: SeekAndFind

As an IT engineer for the last 20 years, I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would lose my job if I could not produce an archive from the last 7 years. I’m allowed to take a few days to produce, as we often have to send away for tapes from Iron Mountain; but that data is understood to be recoverable. We’ve been able to go as far back as 10 years in some rare instances if tapes were not overwritten or were archived with scratch tapes.

This business about the government not being able to produce documents from just 6 months to 1 year ago is absolute bunk and borders on criminal withholding of evidence.


3 posted on 07/22/2014 5:36:09 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

....now that the backups have been sufficiently scrubbed.


4 posted on 07/22/2014 5:36:51 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: SeekAndFind

IRS = Dean Smith’s “4 Corners” offense.


5 posted on 07/22/2014 5:37:01 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: rarestia

There’s no “borders on”. It is what it is.


6 posted on 07/22/2014 5:38:02 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reminds me of minutes of deleted cassette tapes from the White House, during Richard Nixon.


7 posted on 07/22/2014 5:39:33 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: rarestia

In other words obstruction of justice.


8 posted on 07/22/2014 5:40:30 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: rarestia

“...borders on criminal withholding of evidence.”

I think they crossed that line.


9 posted on 07/22/2014 5:41:04 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Some days you're the windshield, and some days you're the bug.)
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To: rarestia
The entire incident reeks of an orchestrated effort to age the emails off backup. The IRS got rid of its email archival process and then diddled and dallied until well after the six month backup cycle window was closed.

All that was needed to be done to preserve the emails was to pull one set of full backups once the subpeona was received and replace the set with fresh tapes. There were many things that could have been done, but weren't. For what appears to be obvious reasons.

10 posted on 07/22/2014 5:41:05 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

No major corporation in the US would retain LESS than 7 years worth of data. This 6 months garbage is a ruse. It’s not real.

How much do you want to wager that if some Democrat concocted a case about Bush and demanded emails from 2007-2008, they’d have those records readily available in every format imaginable?


11 posted on 07/22/2014 5:45:46 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: TADSLOS

> ....now that the backups have been sufficiently scrubbed.

Or completely rewritten in Hollywood script style. It would be easy to fake and be made to look “real” to non-experts. If the so-called “recovered” emails are reviewed they need to be examined by an unbiased third party expert to determine their authenticity.


12 posted on 07/22/2014 5:48:33 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind

IRS: “Now that we’ve had sufficient time to flush all of the incriminating e-mails, we found the back-ups!”


13 posted on 07/22/2014 6:03:12 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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Delay tactic. There are no backup tapes, or at least none will ever be produced. Let’s not get our hopes up on this.


14 posted on 07/22/2014 6:03:14 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: jsanders2001
Or completely rewritten in Hollywood script style. It would be easy to fake and be made to look “real” to non-experts. If the so-called “recovered” emails are reviewed they need to be examined by an unbiased third party expert to determine their authenticity.

Sort of like a "Certificate of Life Birth" that was of interest a while ago.

15 posted on 07/22/2014 6:04:12 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Boonie
“Wonder how “sanitized” these newfound e-mails have become?????”

Exactly. Coworker: “Lois, how is your day going?” Lerner: “Oh just wonderful. I love being an ethical public servant doing my job to serve the people.”

16 posted on 07/22/2014 6:10:56 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SeekAndFind

Like almost everything our government leadership does that comes under scrutiny, I don’t care which party, we will never know the truth.


17 posted on 07/22/2014 6:12:42 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Just what is the real reason to disarm a law abiding citizen like me?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope they find somebody better at producing phony emails than who they found to produce a phony birth certificate.


18 posted on 07/22/2014 6:22:16 AM PDT by 762X51
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To: rarestia

Same here. 32 years.

This whole thing would be laughable if it was not so serious. This isn’t saying “my dog ate my homework.” It’s saying “My goldfish ate my homework.”


19 posted on 07/22/2014 6:28:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: rarestia

I’m not disagreeing with you. I am saying that, in my opinion, the IRS changed internal IT email retention policies (that are legally mandated) to age these emails off. To me it shows just how serious the content of the emails must be.


20 posted on 07/22/2014 6:37:29 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SeekAndFind

Start prosecuting the people that were responsible for ensuring that these documents were properly archived as per federal law. You’ll be amazed what you would learn.


21 posted on 07/22/2014 6:46:37 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: rarestia
This business about the government not being able to produce documents from just 6 months to 1 year ago is absolute bunk and borders on criminal withholding of evidence.

You are mistaken, Citizen. Since the government defines what is and isn't criminal, nothing is criminal unless the government says it is.

22 posted on 07/22/2014 7:00:28 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: SeekAndFind
In the transcript released by Issa, Kane also insists that the IRS believed that the tapes had been recycled when it told Congress more than a month ago that it couldn’t recover all of Lerner’s emails. He doesn’t say why that might not be the case anymore.

Maybe because a federal judge is asking now?
23 posted on 07/22/2014 7:03:57 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: Morpheus2009

They were reel to reel.

A friend of mine placed a joke ad in the WA PO, at the time:

“Slightly used 6” reel-to-reel, Model xyz tape recorder for sale. Occasionally skips recording. Call 555-555-5555, ask for Dick”


24 posted on 07/22/2014 7:19:49 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

Thank you for that one, it was a nice way to lighten up my day with the tough times had with the new baby in the house.


25 posted on 07/24/2014 7:57:58 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Morpheus2009

Forgot to mention that he actually put the true WH phone # in the ad.


26 posted on 07/24/2014 8:20:30 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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