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Thomas Berger, ‘Little Big Man’ Author, Is Dead at 89
NYT ^ | 7/22/2014 | CHRISTOPHER LEHMANN-HAUPT and WILLIAM McDONALD

Posted on 07/22/2014 7:15:34 AM PDT by Borges

Thomas Berger, the reclusive and bitingly satirical novelist who explored the myths of the American West in “Little Big Man” and the mores of 20th-century middle-class society in a shelf of other well-received books, died on July 13 in Nyack, N.Y. He was 89.

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1 posted on 07/22/2014 7:15:34 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Loved the movie.


2 posted on 07/22/2014 7:18:18 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Borges

“Today is a good day to die”

~~ Little Big Man


3 posted on 07/22/2014 7:18:33 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Loved the book and the movie. Thank you Thomas Berger.


4 posted on 07/22/2014 7:21:34 AM PDT by freefdny
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It was a great movie, in spite of the 60s-70s noble savage vs craven white man meme.

"You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really *don't* want me to go down there!"

5 posted on 07/22/2014 7:21:34 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Blood of Tyrants
One of those that I pull out at least once a year and enjoy. The bar scene with Bill Hickok is a classic.
6 posted on 07/22/2014 7:24:50 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: Borges

My favorite line from the movie:

“I have a wife and FOUR horses!”
“I have a horse and FOUR WIVES!”....................


7 posted on 07/22/2014 7:31:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I’M INVISIBLE!”.....................


8 posted on 07/22/2014 7:32:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Borges

“Sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn’t.”


9 posted on 07/22/2014 7:35:27 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: Borges

“My poor sister. They never did come for her.”


10 posted on 07/22/2014 7:37:36 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: Borges

“That was the end of my religious period”


11 posted on 07/22/2014 7:39:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Borges

I remember the movie as a wet dream of Cultural Marxism, but a highly entertaining one. The interactions with historical figures reminds me of Flashman. Might be worth a read and re-watch.


12 posted on 07/22/2014 7:48:31 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg

Please explain.


13 posted on 07/22/2014 7:51:25 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

The Indians (The Human Beings) are presented as entirely noble, fun-loving, righteous, moral, etc... Whites are presented as the embodiment of evil. It not only advances the noble savage fantasy, it specifically attacks Western Civilization. See Dances with Wolves (if you can stay awake) for another less entertaining example.


14 posted on 07/22/2014 8:03:55 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Borges

The huckster who kept losing body parts was a great sub plot also.


15 posted on 07/22/2014 8:09:56 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Today is a good day to die”

~~ Little Big Man

That sounds suspiciously Klingon....


16 posted on 07/22/2014 8:10:39 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Borges

Berger is one of my favorite authors - the Reinhardt books, Sneaky People, The Feud - so many excellent works, such a talent. One of the last major authors to have served in WWII. He’ll be missed.


17 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:41 AM PDT by februus
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To: GraceG
I actually Googled it. An old Sioux saying.
18 posted on 07/22/2014 8:15:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I believe someone here uses it for a screen name.
19 posted on 07/22/2014 8:16:55 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I’m invisible!”


20 posted on 07/22/2014 8:59:51 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Borges

One of the very few interviews with Thomas Berger (from American Heritage) and it goes into much detail about the author’s truly American spirit:

http://www.americanheritage.com/content/little-big-man%E2%80%99s-man


21 posted on 07/22/2014 9:04:37 AM PDT by februus
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To: cdcdawg

I don’t know what that has to do with Marxism. The Noble Savage fantasy goes back to the 18th century. In that case John Ford’s ‘The Searchers’ is also cultural Marxism. ‘Dances With Wolves’ is no more Marxist than ‘Heart of Darkness’ or ‘Apocalypse Now’.


22 posted on 07/22/2014 9:36:32 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I can shoot three bottles throwed in the air.”


23 posted on 07/22/2014 9:47:35 AM PDT by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: Borges

‘The Searchers’ presented American culture as being entirely hypocritical and evil? Was John Wayne aware of this?

‘Dances With Wolves’ is a load of leftwing propaganda in beautiful packaging. Oliver Stone would blush at the one-sidedness of it. All whites are evil, Western Civilization is evil, Christianity is empty and evil, etc ... We should all live a pastoral and communal life. The noble savage goes back to the 18th century, Hollywood leftism does not.

Heart of Darkness does not present the natives as paragons of virtue, civilization and morality, while presenting all whites and their culture as inherently evil. It might actually tilt the other direction. I’m sorry that Little Big Man has these leftwing themes, but it’s still a good movie.


24 posted on 07/22/2014 10:11:08 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg

Ronald Reagan liked ‘Dances with Wolves’. Was he unaware of those themes? The Searchers depicts a racist white guy (played by Wayne) who learns that Indians are as awful as he thinks they are. That DWW simplifies and whitewashes Indian culture is beyond a doubt - that it regards Western Civilization as evil is quite an overstatement. And yes, HOD has taken flack from certain quarters as being anti-Western. I don’t buy it either.


25 posted on 07/22/2014 10:39:28 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

‘aren’t as awful’


26 posted on 07/22/2014 10:41:39 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Today is a good day to die”

~~ Worf


27 posted on 07/22/2014 10:52:29 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: skeeter

It was a very entertaining movie, but it promulgated some lies about U.S. soldiers just as early westerns promulgated lies about Indians. I’ve read some books about Custer like “Son Of The Morning Star” by Evan S. Connell and Stephen Ambrose’s “Crazy Horse And Custer” to get a better line on what happened in those days. Neither book glorifies Custer, but he certainly was not the Custer depicted in the movie. And the Indians, contrary to Arthur Hill who made the picture, were not saints. In real life, both sides were guilty of needless massacres.


28 posted on 07/22/2014 11:41:55 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: cdcdawg

” See Dances with Wolves (if you can stay awake) for another less entertaining example.”

Managed to catch the director’s cut of “Dances”. The whole enviro-whacko meme is way over-played in scenes that were cut for the original release. Frankly, I think that movie would have been a flop had they not cut those scenes.


29 posted on 07/22/2014 11:45:38 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: driftless2

“Son of Morning Star” is an excellent work. It painted a completely different picture of Custer and his relationship with the indian nations.


30 posted on 07/22/2014 12:01:11 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: driftless2

Sorry, Arthur Penn, Sean’s father, directed “Little Big Man” and not Arthur Hill.


31 posted on 07/22/2014 1:27:47 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065988/


32 posted on 07/22/2014 1:31:38 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: morphing libertarian
"Little Big Man" was one of the most anti-white, anti-Christian movies ever made. Just vile.
33 posted on 07/22/2014 1:51:18 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: Robwin

This is a thread about Little Big Man. I posted a link to the cast and director of the movie. I made no comment about the quality, morality, or anything else. Don’t care for your opinion or any others. Just did that one thing and left.

Maybe someone else here will engage you.


34 posted on 07/22/2014 2:18:20 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: Borges

RIP.


35 posted on 07/22/2014 3:48:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: driftless2

Arthur Penn was not related to Sean Penn.


36 posted on 07/22/2014 7:40:27 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Oops....my mistake.


37 posted on 07/22/2014 7:44:25 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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