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Why Tony Dungy’s comments about Michael Sam aren’t really a surprise
Washington Post ^ | 7/22/14 | Cindy Boren

Posted on 07/22/2014 10:19:34 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Michael Sam may not be a distraction this week at the St. Louis Rams training camp, but the same cannot be said about Tony Dungy.

The former coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Indianapolis Colts found himself drawing criticism for telling the Tampa Tribune that, if he were still coaching today, he wouldn’t have drafted Sam “(n)ot because I don’t believe Michael Sam should have a chance to play, but I wouldn’t want to deal with all of it.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christians; dungy; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; media; michaelsam; nfl; sports; tonydungy
Stand strong Tony
1 posted on 07/22/2014 10:19:34 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

He’ll be fired. We’ve reached a point in which what one says carries more weight than what one does. If he’d killed somebody, or killed a bunch of dogs, he’d still be OK. But he said something “wrong” and must be eliminated.


2 posted on 07/22/2014 10:22:16 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ve known Tony very well for a long time. Wonderful man. These last two days haven’t helped my blood pressure.


3 posted on 07/22/2014 10:23:17 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: SoFloFreeper

We’ll see what Tony is made of in the next day or so. He can certainly clarify and restate his position to be clear, or he backs off it and accepts the radical’s premise.


4 posted on 07/22/2014 10:24:19 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: cdga5for4

We here in Indy sure like the man. He seems a good person.


5 posted on 07/22/2014 10:24:22 AM PDT by dforest
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To: SoFloFreeper
Dungy isn't getting any criticism from me, nor will he get much from the players, if any. However, the sports networks are media and are just as leftist as the regular news media.

Does Dungy care? I doubt it. He knows Who holds the future in His hand.

6 posted on 07/22/2014 10:25:51 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: ilgipper

Let’s see. First day of Mini-camp, Sam shows up with a Film Crew to make his Reality Show. Oh yeah, team player all the way. Michael Sam has no intention of playing down one in an NFL game. He’s going to make more money on Access Hollywood.


7 posted on 07/22/2014 10:26:22 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Today, Rush has been claiming that ESPN (Dungy’s employer) hasn't put anything about this story on its website. However, it's on Mike Wells’ NFLNation blog (and not behind some paywall). Hey, Rush: the ESPN search function still works.
8 posted on 07/22/2014 10:29:02 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: cdga5for4

Media double standard 101

1) He’s gay, but it shouldn’t matter because he’s just a football player.

2) He’s a football player, so it should matter that he’s gay.


9 posted on 07/22/2014 10:29:04 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Michael Sam may not be a distraction this week at...

and, yet, you (the author) is writing an article about him.

10 posted on 07/22/2014 10:31:27 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s such an innocuous statement and is clearly based on Dungy’s observation of the high drama surrounding Sam to date. While Dungy will likely be fired legally from a crony capitalist business, it has the moral sanction of the government and Obama behind it. Effectively freedom of speech has been eliminated.


11 posted on 07/22/2014 10:31:53 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: relictele

As a normal/straight football player, I would NOT want to be near him when his blood is flying around during a game.

This is a wrongful death lawsuit just waiting to happen...but the homosexual deviants do not want to hear the truth.


12 posted on 07/22/2014 10:32:39 AM PDT by newfreep (at)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Tony - tell those idiots to take a hike. Do not apologize for telling the truth. That is why this nation is in such a mess.


13 posted on 07/22/2014 10:32:45 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Dungy was clear that it wasn’t because of his personal feelings about Sam being gay. It had to do with the distraction to the team that will come with all of it and the potential harm it could have for the team.

That type of distraction simply isn’t worth a player that may not be good enough to make the team.

It’s only a story because he’s gay. The same statement could be (and WAS) made often about Tim Tebow. A solid player that could be a serviceable back up - but who came with such distractions that it wasn’t worth having him on the roster.

Ask Rex Ryan or Bill Belichek.


14 posted on 07/22/2014 10:33:27 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Every team avoids drafting players with various personal problems because they don’t want to carry the baggage ... Don’t forget too that 32 teams passed up on Sam six times before the Rams decided to select him.


15 posted on 07/22/2014 10:33:29 AM PDT by mikrofon (NFL Fussball)
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To: relictele
yep...he just wants to left alone and known as a football player...on to the ESPYS.


16 posted on 07/22/2014 10:33:57 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: relictele

He’s more interested in being a gay activist than being a football player.


17 posted on 07/22/2014 10:34:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SoFloFreeper

The thread should have come with a Keith Sloubermann alert.

I just hate that fruitcake sumbitch!


18 posted on 07/22/2014 10:35:38 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I also love Olberman’s comment. What an idiot. If these people had ever coached a football team they would understand EASILY what Dungy means and it doesn’t have to be an NFL team to make that clear.

They stand on the sidelines and critize - literally. The people the loudest are always the ones involved the least with the process and that goes the same for parents who never volunteer to help or coach.


19 posted on 07/22/2014 10:36:41 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue; mikrofon

Even though you are both right, the way some people may have “heard” it, or “took” it, may make them uncomfortable and it might have hurt their feelings.

And when that happens...well, we all know that someone MUST lose their job over someone’s feelings being hurt!


20 posted on 07/22/2014 10:40:54 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Of course Sam the man would be a distraction. This is how homos roll, especially when encouraged by the media. It's not so much about "breaking down barriers" it's all about *ATTRACTING ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES* LOOK AT ME I'M DIFFERENT, YOU SEE! I wonder how Black people feel when Jackie Robinson's accomplishments are inevitably compared to Sam's? The gay rights movement has a long history of "piggybacking" on the Civil Rights movement.
21 posted on 07/22/2014 10:43:44 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m sure lurking DU’ers, etc. will call me a hater, but I do wonder if Sam would have been drafted at all sans the hype about him being gay? Sam had a fine college career, but his ability to play at the NFL level is questionable. He lacks size, speed, and according to some scouting reports, the strength and toughness to play DE or OLB. Deacon Jones, this guy ain’t.

At the end of the day, either a guy can play at the pro level, or he can’t. I’m just not sure Sam can.


22 posted on 07/22/2014 10:44:11 AM PDT by DemforBush (Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco.)
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To: cdga5for4

He’s a source of pride here in Jackson Michigan.


23 posted on 07/22/2014 10:44:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I've written off the NFL for this season (at least), and will not be watching any games, nor participating in fantasy football.

My reasons:?

1) Michael Sam, but then not Michael Sam, in and of himself. I could care less whether he's gay or not. My only question is whether or not he's capable of playing football at the appropriate level. BUT, when the NFL stepped in a squashed the Dolphins player who dared to tweet "Horrible" in response to Michael Sam's on-screen draft-day kiss, I said enough is enough. The NFL does not get to dictate the narrative, and "diversity" is appreciating all sides of the debate (or so I've been told).

2. The Redskins debacle -- The league allowing this nonsense to go on and failure to support Daniel Snyder in keeping the Redskins name is atrocious. Again, "diversity" is respecting all sides of the debate.

3. General thuggery -- Every offseason, we have to endure any number of players involved in all sorts of crimes, from the idiotic to the outright violent. And yet the league allows this nonsense to go on, and still promotes their "stars". Criminal acts seldom get more than a slap on the wrist by the league, and frankly, I'm just tired of it.

24 posted on 07/22/2014 10:45:41 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: SoFloFreeper
“I wouldn’t want to deal with all of it.”

Tony Dungy is a Superbowl winning coach and from what I am able to learn a good person.

If there is anyone honest on the Rams I would bet they regret drafting Sam and having to “deal with all of it.”

Sam brought his own camera crew to the Rams locker room and attracts unwanted media attention. The Rams must feel that drafting this super high maintenance player of marginal ability was a mistake.

However, it is a safe bet that none of them will ever say so on camera.

25 posted on 07/22/2014 10:45:53 AM PDT by detective
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To: dfwgator

He knows where the money is. He also knows his chances of a solid NFL career are slim and none.

He will then cow an ESPN or Fox into making him a studio analyst despite his marginal-to-nonexistent career.

Who knew that getting sex completely and utterly wrong could be lucrative?


26 posted on 07/22/2014 10:45:54 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: DemforBush

Sam doesn’t have the tools to play in the NFL. Neither did I though a scout told me I might if I converted to strong safety. He was wrong, I wasn’t quite fast enough and I knew it. Now do I hate myself for saying that? No, it is reality.


27 posted on 07/22/2014 10:51:11 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: SoFloFreeper

Seems to me that the idiotic reaction to Dungy’s statements is all the proof he needs to prove that he was correct. As expected, the perverts in the enemedia circle the wagons to protect the sodomite...


28 posted on 07/22/2014 10:51:23 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Common Sense 101
Noticed that Olberman is criticizing Dungy.

Is Olberman himself a member of some scientifically or socially recognized sex? Tough to tell, looking as he does like a hybrid cross of the Michelin Man out of Rosie O'Donnell.

29 posted on 07/22/2014 10:57:05 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: cripplecreek

My older brother played against him...and lost.

Back in the days before Lumen Christi became a powerhouse in jack-town.


30 posted on 07/22/2014 11:08:30 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: dfwgator

The Rams did themselves no favors. Sam was a dud at the combine, and won’t be able to compete on the field. But now the Rams are going to catch hell if they cut him. Which is what normally happens to the 6th from the last player taken in the draft. He’s at best a practice squad guy. No practice squad guy merits his own media circus. It will wreck the team.

And that’s exactly why Dungy wouldn’t take him.


31 posted on 07/22/2014 11:08:48 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Just like you would stay away from Tebow and Johnny Football. Too much drama surrounding them. Who wants to answer questions and spend time discussing stuff that is not football related.

Not questioning any of their talents. Just their baggage.


32 posted on 07/22/2014 11:11:15 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: DemforBush

The Rams want to move out of St Louis....I think the NFL basically went to them and told them if they wanted to get the move approved they’d better draft Sam.


33 posted on 07/22/2014 11:12:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SoFloFreeper

Tony is one of the most wonderful Christian men in America. He was a friend to his players in need and showed Christ to the needy. It’s not surprising that a loser like Obermann would trash him!


34 posted on 07/22/2014 11:17:05 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Truth- it’s the new hate speech.


35 posted on 07/22/2014 11:38:58 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: DemforBush
At the end of the day, either a guy can play at the pro level, or he can’t. I’m just not sure Sam can.

He will be a target from day one. No offensive player will want to be known as the one who failed to block the queer.

36 posted on 07/22/2014 11:44:54 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Two words, “Chop Block.”


37 posted on 07/22/2014 11:45:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SoFloFreeper

The left will use a two pronged attack. First will be the race card to make unfair and outrageous claims. The second will be to take the radical LGBT agenda to the max.
Let it be known to Tony or anyone else who defies them the media will come down on you with a ton of bricks
Remember the lesser of two evils is “still evil”
I recall one coach saying he would not hire Tebow because it would be a distraction with the media circus. But that story kind of went by the wayside.
Unless you walk in lock step with the left you will be ostracized and criticized
Freegards
LEX


38 posted on 07/22/2014 11:48:54 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SoFloFreeper

There won’t be a team anywhere that’ll have the guts to cut this 7th round draft pick if he fails to play well. I’m sure he’s all lawyered up and ready to sue any team willing to cut him. I can’t believe this joker is getting anywhere near the attention he’s getting just because he’s a homosexual and proud of it.


39 posted on 07/22/2014 12:13:59 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks

I know what you’re saying, but I disagree. It’ll be obvious if this guy sucks. I love Tebow for the guy he was, but it was obvious that he sucked. If it’s obvious with Sam (he is slow and undersized) he’ll be cut and that will be the end of it. He may not even make the team. The Rams defense is pretty damn good to begin with.


40 posted on 07/22/2014 12:17:12 PM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: riverdawg

NBC isn’t Dungy’s employer, we works for NBC.


41 posted on 07/22/2014 12:20:03 PM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: JimRed

Tony is a football coach, not a social worker or shrink.
Good for him.


42 posted on 07/22/2014 12:34:00 PM PDT by safetysign
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To: discostu
“NBC isn’t Dungy’s employer, we works for NBC.”

Huh? Well, I think I know what you mean.

In any case: my mistake; Dungy does work for NBC, not ESPN. But that makes Rush's on-air rant even more puzzling, as I thought Rush was claiming that ESPN was covering up for Dungy by not putting a story about Dungy’s (perfectly sensible and honest) remarks on its website.

43 posted on 07/22/2014 12:59:10 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

Ooops, fingers and brain not on same page. I swear in my head the first NBC was ESPN.

ESPN probably isn’t talking about it because honestly it’s a non-story. A correspondent who does not work for them says he would not want the distraction of a particular 7th round draft pick who most folks don’t think will make it past first roster cut. Certainly LeBron has done something more interesting than this story, which is already days old.


44 posted on 07/22/2014 1:03:38 PM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: mikrofon

RAMS? How appropriate.


45 posted on 07/22/2014 1:46:03 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Sorry, but we have a totally incompetent jackass living in our White House, and we’re afraid to confront him because we’ll be called racist.

If this homosexual turns out to be a lousy player, don’t tell me that he’ll go quietly. He’s probably already lawyered up and has lawsuits being written up if he’s dismissed.

His whole team will be deemed as “homophobics” and the fur will fly.


46 posted on 07/22/2014 6:36:43 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks

Well, I respectfully disagree. I just don’t see it happening. Frankly, I think he’ll make the team IF they can find a spot for him on Special Teams. I don’t think he’s good enough to start on Defense, but I haven’t watched too much film of him.


47 posted on 07/23/2014 5:34:32 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: relictele

I don’t believe he’s gay. I believe he is a marginal player that saw an opportunity to become huge in the media and went for it. I also don’t believe Jason Collins is gay.


48 posted on 07/23/2014 6:07:47 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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