Skip to comments.Worse may yet lie ahead [Israel and Hamas]
Posted on 07/22/2014 3:34:46 PM PDT by Star Traveler
As of Tuesday night, despite the efforts of international intermediaries here in the region, there was no sign of an Israel-Hamas ceasefire. Visiting UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon had failed to achieve the long-term humanitarian truce he planned. This despite signs Monday that Hamas might want to halt the fighting.
The Al-Mayadeen satellite station, which has good contacts in the office of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, claimed late Monday that Abbas and Hamas political bureau chief Khaled Mashaal had reached a ceasefire deal, based on Egypts proposal for an immediate cessation of hostilities. Abbass intelligence chief Majid Faraj set off to persuade the Egyptians to make minor changes to their proposal.
After midnight, however, it became clear that Egypt wasnt inclined to make the minor changes, and that Hamass military wing wanted more than minor changes. It still wants the release of prisoners, the opening of the Rafah border crossing, the opening of a seaport, and more.
On Tuesday night, the PA tried another approach: an immediate halt to the fighting, to be followed by five days of negotiations in Cairo on the issue of the border crossings, attended by Egypt, Hamas and the PA. Hamas is unlikely agree to that either.
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Israel, Egypt, the EU, Saudi Arabia are allied
against Hamas (terrorists supported by Obama and the UN).
Is there a problem with that?
And also the worst, but you don't care about that.
Nice to see Egypt backing Israel, and the EU telling Hamas to disarm.
Where is the US?
Leading from behind again...
I’ve been reporting that in the last few days with articles here ... and I think that’s great news ... :-) ...
Obama is looking for the Muslim Brotherhood ... LOL ...
The assumption is, there has to be a cease-fire.
Until the Hamas irregulars have received enough punishment so they actually feel the effects, there shall be no cease-fire. Then, they should all be forcibly removed and dropped off in some other part of the world.
Say, Antarctica. Up to now, they have not known true adversity.
“Where is the US?
Leading from behind again...”
as you would expect from a country whose leader is an ass
I hope there is no cease-fire. I’d rather see complete defeat then surrender.
And also the worst, but you don't care about that.
I'm waiting for the wurst.
3 1/2 hrs since a rocket has been fired at Israel.
US, UN pushing hard for immediate cease-fire in Gaza [Israel]
If Hamas really wants a cease-fire, I am sure that we can get to that, but they dont want one, Netanyahu tells Sky News Arabic; Arab TV reports say humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza imminent.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, in an interview with Sky News Arabic, pointed out that Israel accepted an Egyptian proposal for a ceasefire last week. That proposal called for an immediate end to the violence, followed 48 hours later by negotiations regarding a more lasting agreement. Part of the proposal called for Palestinian Authority security officers, rather than Hamas men, to man the border crossing with Rafah.
In addition to that proposal, Israel Netanyahu said also accepted shorter humanitarian cease-fires brokered over the last few days first by the UN, and then by the Red Cross. In each case, he said, Hamas violated the cease-fire.
If Hamas really wants a cease-fire, I am sure that we can get to that, he said. But they dont want one.
One government official said that while Israel was ready for a cease fire, Hamas cannot come out of a ceasefire looking like a victor. Israel would be skeptical of any proposal that could be seen as a victory for Hamas.
Israel must clean out the garbage completely. Then if they want security occupy Gaza or it will start over again.
I hope Bibi sterilizes Gaza.
He’ll sterilize Hamas and it’s operatives as much as they are able to do, but according to his own word, he won’t do so to the Palestinian civilians.
Israel is very clear on the issue of protecting Palestinian civilians against collateral damage, as much as possible. Israel is also on a worldwide campaign with all their ambassadors to let the nations of the world know that and that they do not target Palestinian civilians, as they are falsely accused by the haters of Israel.
However, Israel will try to clear, as much as possible, the Hamas terrorist organization.
That’s what I meant.
Pity. Tell Dresden, Cologne, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, Berlin and Tokyo.
The Israelis will dither and dather, play at “diplomacy” knowing full well that the only purpose of a cease fire is to allow the muslims a chance to receive more foreign aid and rebuild their arsenals.
Gaza should be obliterated and the survivors that manage to crawl out of the rubble need to be force marched to Egypt.
West Bank next, Syria third.
God will do it for them in the end anyway.
The problem for Hamas is that they simply weren't and still aren't very popular. They have been in a position of weakness due to a total lack of support due to their inability to govern. Gazans have been so disillusioned with Hamas that they were forced to accept a very junior role in a unity government with the PA they despise.
So sure, they will get an immediate bump in public opinion for fighting the common enemy, but once that passes they will have not only lost long term public support without some major Israeli concessions, they will also have been seriously degraded and weaker than ever.
Combine this with the fact that their neighbor Egypt is no longer friendly to them (infact the new Egyptian government hates Hamas) which prevents their easy resupply and from their point of view it is now or never, do or die. This attitude basically suits Israel fine for the moment, as well as Egypt, the PA (who would like to see them further neutered), and a few others.
Hamas, at this point, can only hope world opinion turns enough against Israel enough to force them to call off their offensive while Hamas can still fire rockets. If Hamas can and does still fire some rockets after Israel backs off, they can at least claim some kind of moral victory.
Both of those things are war crimes, which Israel does not do. In fact Israel works very hard at DISPUTING that they do this or even attempt to do this. Anyone who says that Israel should do those things is simply disseminating the Islamist propaganda against Israel.
The “unity government” of the non-existent nation and nationality of “Palestine” is no longer unified. Hamas did the bidding of its Iranian masters, Abbas is trying to edify himself in the eyes of his fellow Arab squatters, and Egypt isn’t going to budge on the terms of the cease-fire. And Egypt holds the cards here. Everyone knows it. That’s why the next shots fired will be in Egypt, even if it happens after Hamas’ latest war collapses.
Israel’s best play will be in the annihilation of those Hamas tunnels and bunkers and everyone inside them. They need to take as few prisoners as possible, and get some better subsurface listening capability along their border. Or better yet, after Hamas is eradicated, start building nice-looking seaside apartments with views of the Med, and move the entire Arab squatter population into those, bulldozing everything else in Gaza.
Thanks Star Traveler.
"Hunt them down and beat them until they cry 'Enough!' War is the remedy our enemy has chosen and I say we give him all he wants!"
The EU, UN and USA leadership can blubber and snivel all they want about civilian casualties, Netanyahu is trying to secure his country!!!
You have the majority of the Palestinian people casting their lot with terrorists. Where are the “innocents” here? We have Palestinians giving aid, comfort, and protection to a bunch of psycho killers. Where are the “innocents”? You cannot have it both ways. You're either supporting Hamas (and other terror organizations) or you aren't. If you are supporting them, you're a combatant and not an innocent victim. If you oppose them, you need to leave the target areas (Gaza and West Bank).
This war will only end with the destruction of Israel or Hamas. Israel isn't going away. Hamas should consider itself on the endangered species list. With the Saudis, EU, Egyptians, and Jordanians against Hamas, I'd be worried. Hamas isn't well liked by even the Palestinians now. Hamas, you have a problem.
A cease fire is a good thing when there is no more Hamas to fire upon.
I can only tell you what Israel does and what their laws are and what they believe (according to my past comments on the subject) ... so I would suggest that you take I tip.with the Israelis and their government and the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
As for me, I fully back the way Israel is handling itself and the fine job that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is doing.
That would be a very long and protracted war in order to get them all. I don’t think the Israeli public would put up with that. A war like Netanyahu is doing, yes ... but a very long protracted one like the one you suggest ... nope.
What Israel mainly does is go after the leadership, as that seems to be more effective for their resources.
The worse it is for Hamas, the better.
Both Egypt and Israel are working on that one ... :-) ...
Do they have an air force? Bunker busters? Tanks? Nukes? Armored bulldozers? Shove Gaza into the the sea.
The ceasefire has been rejected. Hamas will only agree to a ceasefire (to rearm and reequip) if Israel is close to eliminating them and their malignant fighters. Whether the Israelis stop short of finishing Hamas for good (or break their will), mercy to these psycho killers will not help the cause of peace in the Middle East. Hamas has to be defeated or the fighting and suicide bombings will continue.
The Israelis need to play on the superstitions of Hamas and Palestinians. This is one way. Or spread the word that Israeli ammo is dipped in pig blood so there will be no 72 virgins in paradise for martyrs. Instead the Muslim terrorists get a one way trip to hell.
WWII was a war crime I guess. Abraham was a war criminal I guess, as was Joshua and King David.
You really should wake up and smell the Jihad, taste the genocide the muslims pray to satan to commit daily.
Jew hatred is in the mother’s milk, they are living for one reason, to kill Jews. This is what they are, Jihad is what they do.
You are wrong in everything you say and believe, they cannot be bargained with anymore than one can bargain with a rabid dog. The fact that it has gone on this long is prelude to present and future. The muslims will never quit. They can lose 100 wars against the Jews, the Jews need only lose one. And, if the tables were turned, if the Jews were defenseless within 24 hours there would not be a single Jew left alive in all of the middle east.
Deal with it and get your head out of the sand. Or, assuming you are Jewish of course, book a flight to Saudi Arabia and see what they do to you there.
When I say that God will sort them out I really do not know how or when, whether it will be a supernatural event or just God using other nations to do His will and rescue His people from the muslims.
They all want you dead, they all want me dead.
God will not allow it. He will stop this insanity and it will be judgment on all the muslim people and nations for blaspheming His name and for the atrocities they perpretate and celebrate against His people.
The plain fact of the matter is that Israel doesn’t do it and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says they don’t do it and Israel sends their ambassadors all over the world to all the capitals saying they don’t do it, and also the IDF posts videos on their site showing they don’t do it.
All I can say is that it’s a good thing you’re not running Israel ... :-) ...
It’s a good thing you are not running Israel.
How old are you? Are you a humanist—reject God?
Review the great flood and the cities of plain (Sodom and Gomorrah) review the huge hole that opened up beneath the Jews that opposed Moses and swallowed them into the earth.
Are you a better judge, possess a higher moral standard than God Almighty?
You sound like like a Woody Allen Jew to me. If you are a youngster I can understand, if you ignorant of history, I can understand, if you are ignorant of or reject the bible, I can understand.
I do not approve of you but I can understand you.
Will you judge God?
Here’s something from those who,are running Israel ... the government, via the IDF ...
Exclusive Interview With IAF Pilots: How They Limit Casualties
While the IDF goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas deliberately puts civilians in the line of fire. The terrorist organization bases command centers, weapons storage facilities and concealed rocket launchers inside civilian neighborhoods, sometimes even inside houses. Lt. Or and Lt. Omer are two pilots in the Israel Air Force whose work reduces harm to civilians in Gaza.
Lt. Or is a 25-year-old soldier with an enormous responsibility. He decides whether to call off an airstrike in Gaza for the sake of preserving human life.
Lt. Or operates drones over Gaza in order to gather intelligence before airstrikes. The drones provide the IDF with a clear picture of the ground in real time. Before every flight, we have a briefing about what is happening in the Strip, said Lt. Or. Then we perform a reconnaissance mission to ensure the intelligence matches the reality on the ground.
The purpose of this intelligence gathering is to ensure that a strike on a target will not cause harm to civilians. Before every airstrike, the pilot needs permission from us, Lt. Or. emphasized. We [Israel] are the only side in this conflict that attempts to prevent civilians from being harmed.
Some more from those Involved in the running of Israel ...
How is the IDF Minimizing Harm to Civilians in Gaza?
The IDF does everything possible to limit civilian casualties in Gaza. Hamas exploits these efforts by encouraging Palestinian civilians to ignore the IDFs warnings.
Phone Calls and Text Messages
As part of its efforts to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza, the IDF makes phone calls and sends text messages to civilians residing in buildings designated for attack. In the following video, you can hear a recording of an IDF soldier calling a Gazan to warn him of an impending airstrike in his vicinity.
The Israel Air Force has dropped leaflets over Gaza that warn civilians to avoid being present in the vicinity of Hamas operatives. These leaflets urge civilians to move away from Hamas targets, making clear Israels intention to minimize civilian casualties. Since the operation began, Hamas has repeatedly instructed Palestinians to ignore these warnings.
Roof knocking is when the IAF targets a building with a loud but non-lethal bomb that warns civilians that they are in the vicinity of a weapons cache or other target. This method is used to allow all residents to leave the area before the IDF targets the site with live ammunition.
The following video demonstrates how Hamas exploits the IDFs efforts to avoid civilian casualties. On July 9, Palestinians fled a Hamas target after the IAF fired a warning shot. Moments later, people in the surrounding area flocked to the roof of the target, acting as human shields. The IAF called off the strike to avoid civilian casualties.
More from those who are involved in running Israel ...
IDF Opens Hospital for Palestinians, Hamas Prevents Access
The IDF has opened a temporary hospital for Palestinians on the Israeli side of the Erez Crossing. Even as terrorists fire rockets at Israel, the hospitals treating wounded civilians in cooperation with the Red Crescent. Hamas, the terrorist organization that rules Gaza, has prevented Palestinians from entering Israel in order to reach the hospital.
And another from those who are involved in running Israel ...
What the Israeli Ambassador said just a couple of days ago!
THE GAZA RESIDENTS ARE NOT OUR ENEMY!
Dont let the enemies if Israel spread the lie that Israel treats all of Gaza as the enemy. Its only Hamas that is the enemy!
Speaking at the conference, Israels ambassador to the body, Eviatar Manor told the debate that Israel will destroy Hamas military infrastructure. He also added that the Gaza residents are not our enemy. Israel is fully committed to international law. The ambassador also slammed the UN Human Rights Council saying they had failed to protect the human rights of Israelis, Haaretz reports.