Skip to comments.Itís Time for Conservatives to Stop Defending Police
Posted on 07/22/2014 9:32:19 PM PDT by chessplayer
Imagine if I were to tell you there is a large group of government employees, with generous salaries and ridiculously cushy retirement pensions covered by the taxpayer, who enjoy incredible job security and are rarely held accountable even for activities that would almost certainly earn the rest of us prison time. When there is proven misconduct, these government employees are merely reassigned and are rarely dismissed. The bill for any legal settlements concerning their errors? It, too, is covered by the taxpayers. Their unions are among the strongest in the country.
No, Im not talking about public-school teachers.
Im talking about the police.
We conservatives recoil at the former; yet routinely defend the latter even though, unlike teachers, police officers enjoy an utter monopoly on force and can ruin or end ones life in a millisecond.
On Thursday in Staten Island, an asthmatic 43-year-old father of six, Eric Garner, died after a group of policemen descended on him, placing him in a chokehold while attempting to arrest him for allegedly selling cigarettes. A bystander managed to capture video in which Garner clearly cries out, I cant breathe! Even after releasing the chokehold (chokeholds, incidentally, are prohibited by NYPD protocol), the same officer then proceeds to shove and hold Garners face against the ground, applying his body weight and pressure on Garner, ignoring Garners pleas that he cannot breathe. Worse yet, new video shows at least eight officers standing around Garners lifeless, unconscious body.
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Quit that a very long time ago.
Not falling for it “chess player” or whoever the original author is.
I will support the peace keepers and enforcers until they are no longer law abiding. Bad cops are like homos; a small percentage of them make the rest of their kind look bad. Mthe vast majority are good guys so go try your divisive message on another conservative website.
What about the large number of cops that see the average, law-abiding citizen as the enemy?
Please provide a solid, fact based source.
I’m not buying it either.
Cast out the baby with the bath water, shall we?
Most cops are good people who believe in what they do and try to make their communities better and safer.
Are there too many who don’t serve for the right reasons? Sure. But that is true of many honorable professions.
I do, and will, support my local force. That doesn’t mean standing up for the bad apples and it doesn’t mean blind obedience.
The politicians by and large remain the problem.
I think tea party people at the local level should support revising rules of engagement for the militarized police, and change training back to being a police officer rather than a assault force. Its pretty easy to campaign against shooting puppies.
Of possible interest.
I’ve run into a number of them over my life. Plus, we have more SWAT teams than ever that are used about 40,000 or more times a year for the most minor of violations of the law when they were intended to be used for only the most dangerous situations.
How about the ever-increasing number of dogs being shot and killed by them? You must be a big proponent of that, right?
If you wait until "they are no longer law abiding," at least your family may be able to make some money off a wrongful death suit.
Police are the reason George Washington observed that "Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
I think cops used to do their jobs, use minimum force and respect citizens much more. I wasn’t ashamed in the least to support cops and always give them the benefit of the doubt.
Anyone dissing the cops? That person is a criminal!
Charlton Heston publicly balled out Ice Tea for his anti-cop rhetoric, and I felt as Moses did.
Now? I’m not so sure. Use of force Is Cool and the cops have tats and listen to the same rap that their customers do.
The cops lost the dignity they once had and I’m studiously neutral to them now.
There will always be the good and the bad in any profession. Having said that, the bad seeds who find their way into positions of trust like law enforcement are the worst of the worst in terms of the harm they can cause.
I’m a police officer. I have seen fine, upstanding officers railroaded and I’ve seen ones who are like Satan himself skate on everything they do. And I am sure most everyone here has seen that phenomenon in whatever line of work you are in, it just is more dangerous in this one.
I was pretty much unconditional in my support of LEO’s, until all the dog shootings. And they seem to have become too militarized.
That doesnt mean standing up for the bad apples and it doesnt mean blind obedience.
You don’t have to. The rest of the cops will do that.
Would you like me to post an endless number of articles of police abusing their power to the point of murder?
Let's correct that a little bit.. Bad court rulings allow bad cops to get off with their brutality. Shoot a kid holding an airsoft rifle? Totally immune from prosecution because 'police hold a special status; it is expected that failure to immediately follow police directives is in itself an indication of life threatening danger.' Think the worst case in Robocop; you have five seconds to comply before your life is ended.
So, yes, I support the police. I also support holding them (and every public employee) to the same laws and regulations that I must endure. I expect them to face the same prosecution for shooting someone that I would face if I had done the deed.
Bad laws, bad court decisions, make for bad cops.
Imagine if I were to tell you there is a large group of government employees, with generous salaries and ridiculously cushy retirement pensions covered by the taxpayer, who enjoy incredible job security...
In spite of the benefits, there are continuous openings for police officers around where I live and there have been for years. Firemen are a different story.
I will support the peace keepers and enforcers until they are no longer law abiding.
Yep. Police officers have the same rights as anyone else when they are accused.
“Mthe vast majority are good guys so go try your divisive message on another conservative website.”
I don’t hold your view...
I can make the nicest cop go loony in about 5 minutes.
Nope, I’m not a fan. The police of yesterday aren’t the same as the police of today. The people may not be either - but that’s no damned excuse.
When they recognize my unique ability to be reasonable, intelligent and well rounded - I’ll recognize theirs. Until then I’ll be harassed for my appearance, my car’s condition or my gun at my hip.
So until they back off, I ain’t backin’ off. No sir, Not a fan.
Do you mean blindly defending the police, or defending the police at all?
If you mean blindly defending police without examining the facts I will agree with you.
But if you mean to suggest we never defend a police officer anytime, anywhere for no reason other than he/she wears a blue shirt, my answer is ‘no’.
There are good cops and bad cops, quite obviously.
And what I said about bad court decisions and bad laws goes both ways. While cops should face the same laws as the rest of us, criminals should be virtually barred from the court system and the infinite abuse of that system. Another place where bad court decisions and bad laws desperately needs to be fixed.
98.8% of them provide a bad example for the rest.
I am reminded of the old whisper that most laboratories have replaced the standard white rat with black and brown ones due to 'multiculturalism', and in many cases with either lawyers or on- or off- duty cops (the lines are often blurred) for two major reasons.
First, the researchers were becoming attached to the rats...
And second, because there are some things that rats simply WILL NOT do.
Personal experience is fact based.
I read stories about police officers shooting a beloved family pet or use excessive force to apprehend a suspect. The thing to remember is that these stories are reported by our less than unbiased media. Sure, there are police officers who behave like storm troopers, but before you believe every story you read, see or hear about these abuses, be aware that there may be facts omitted from the media story that may justify the actions of the officer or officers in question.
There is a local story going around about a gay pride parade participant who alleged she was assaulted by a police officer. For weeks the local media showed a video of the “victim” allegedly being assaulted by an officer. However, additional photographs have surfaced showing the “victim” beating up on the officer as he was trying to arrest her. I’m guessing the officer felt he had to use force to subdue her or she could have caused serious injury to him or others nearby.
Bad enough the courts have made law enforcement nearly impossible. The media too has been complicit in trying to destroy whatever law enforcement still available by putting out half true or utterly false stories. I see it all as the communists’ efforts to dismantle every institution available for peace and our protection. So we shouldn’t accept at face value every story put out by the propaganda ministry.
I can attest to personally knowing three ex- cops that have affirmed it as a fact and one of the reasons they left.
Ya change that and it all changes including reckless wild pursuits which also kill and injure innocents.
I'd love to have total immunity. Or like government state schools, where teachers/professors get what they call tenure...
BTW, how does one get tenure in the private sector? Where it takes an act of Congress to fire someone. In the real world of the private sector, your told, "You can be fired for any reason at all, and your liable for anything you do".
No you can't. I've never gone "loony" on any contact, no matter how obnoxious/insulting/violent a person has been. And neither have so many other decent officers LOL.
Most cops stand solidly behind The Blue Line, and will not out the “few” *cough* that enguage in questionable (at best) actions -and if they do, they are ostracized by the rest.
Maybe I'm over reacting though. Let's try an thought experiment. Imagine you are walking down the street and you shoot a guy talking on his phone and say "He had something in his hand, I thought it was a gun" what is it that you think would happen to you? What do you think would happen to a cop?
Most,if not all the other, honorable profession cant end your career or life in a millisecond.
Your problem, is like that of a lot of others, they expect the cops to police themselves but they seem unwilling to do that. There are some rare exceptions that suffer repercussions for crossing the blue line.
That leaves you all with the puzzle: are these other cops condoning this behavior by not speaking out, or do they perhaps engage in it themselves periodically?
That fat taxpayer pension for a lifetime of doughnut patrols and easy money are hard to jeopardize, no doubt.
Lots of questions, but all lead back to your premise that most cops are the good guys. That sort of narrows it down, no?
Not good enough.
Your posts #12, #13, and #19 do not support your statement. You have failed to sustain your assertion by going on to other matters. I pronounce your assertion as invalid and mere opinion.
But you’re just refering to the so-call bad apple.
There is a much bigger picture to see here.
What many Americans are finding quite disturbing and are questioning are entire departments ramping up into military style units, buying up military war vehicles, using military tactics etc.
In fact why is it we now have hundreds of times more SWAT military commando style teams than just a couple decades ago? We’re talking even small rural departments now have their own military style swat teams. And look at all these govenrment departments, as they too have developed their own militarized units, like the Department of Education, etc.
It’s to the point where they are being used in all kinds of situations, where they were initially ONLY designed for extremely violent people and or violent hostage situations.
Looking at the bigger picture and these trends are very alarming for those paying attention.
The author would do well to use another case than the one in NYC. There are plenty. The “victim” died of a heart attack, not from the choke or control hold the officer was attempting to apply. It was a lawful arrest and the very large man was resisting.
Let other FReepers feel free to chime in.
Oh, I’m not talking about being annoying. I can be level headed and respectful. I wouldn’t push anyone over the edge by being a dick.
I’ll push you over the edge by being very rational and well-stated.
How about #41 code three?
Are these concerns unfounded and invalid?
The Chris Dorner case had an erie feeling that an order was given to all LEO:
“Chris Dorner; Wanted. Dead or Alive....Dead would good too”.
LEO’s assaulted people who couldn’t possibly fit the description and damned near killed a few.
How does that go unanswered, as a matter of law, like any citizen?
What manly men they have "on the force" all over America these days.
All that in the face of violent crime that has dropped to record lows.
The "thin" part of that reference in personal experience is about a mile wide in real life. So yes, there is no "thin" for the majority of us who are not LEOs.
We are (non-LEOs) all either "Perps", or "Uncaught Perps". And yes, I had a female Corrections Officer tell Me that at a bar when she was deciding whether or not to interact with Me, so I know it is not a solitary mindset.
Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities.
It’s not true.