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2 Ukrainian military fighter jets shot down in eastern Ukraine
Fox News ^ | 7/23/14 | FoxNews

Posted on 07/23/2014 5:01:03 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

KIEV, Ukraine – Two Ukrainian military fighter jets have been shot down in the east, according to the country's Defense Ministry.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mh17; shotdown; ukraine
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1 posted on 07/23/2014 5:01:04 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The President will find out about it on MSNBC on Monday.


2 posted on 07/23/2014 5:03:45 AM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Cruz_West_Paul2016

Can’t ignore this. Didn’t happen on Friday afternoon.


3 posted on 07/23/2014 5:04:44 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Please $upport Free Republic.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

right,if this had happened on a Friday,Bambi would of found out about it on Wednesday after 6 days of fund-raising.


4 posted on 07/23/2014 5:06:25 AM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

It is a war zone.


5 posted on 07/23/2014 5:07:51 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
I guess the big question now is who shot them down...
6 posted on 07/23/2014 5:11:45 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I thought they declared a cease fire zone there.


7 posted on 07/23/2014 5:12:14 AM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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To: Abathar

And what the response will be...


8 posted on 07/23/2014 5:12:34 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Please $upport Free Republic.)
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To: Abathar

I guess the big question now is who shot them down...
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Don’t worry CNN will get right on it. /s


9 posted on 07/23/2014 5:16:22 AM PDT by RetSignman (obama: "For the love of Alinsky, how much more do I have to do to get them to impeach me"?)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

And what the response will be...
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“Uhhhh,looks like we may have a workplace related plane crash in the Ukraine”.Uhhr,and Uhh,It might be a possible tragedy.


10 posted on 07/23/2014 5:17:33 AM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

So since the thugs of Donetsk don’t have an air force [unless you want to count the Russian one], and Russia denies having supplied SAMs to the thugs, then how were they shot down???


11 posted on 07/23/2014 5:26:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Side issue, Su-25s are not fighter planes.

I do tire of the media’s military definitions.

Fighter = All military aircraft with <4 engines

Tank = All armored vehicles

Battleship = Frigates, destroyers, cruisers, and sometimes aircraft carriers

Aircraft carrier = anything you can fit 3 or more helicopters on

Soldier = anyone in uniform

Naval officer = 3rd class petty officers and up

Ballistic missile = every missile that isn’t shoulder fired

Missile = Anything that comes off an aircraft

Bomb = Anything that comes off an aircraft

Pilot = Any member of an aircraft’s crew

Military ranks = too confusing to mention


12 posted on 07/23/2014 5:28:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

AK-47 = any kind of firearm longer than 18 inches.


13 posted on 07/23/2014 5:33:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Were they practicing shadowing a commercial airliner?


14 posted on 07/23/2014 5:37:59 AM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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Story has been updated. Same link.


15 posted on 07/23/2014 5:51:08 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Please $upport Free Republic.)
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16 posted on 07/23/2014 5:59:51 AM PDT by SJackson (government tampers with a freedom so fundamental, one shudders to think what lies ahead. Card Dolan)
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To: McGruff

“I thought they declared a cease fire zone there.”.....

Only on the ground, anything above 500 feet is fair game.


17 posted on 07/23/2014 6:09:42 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

This is impossible because Putin told us the separatists don’t have anti-aircraft missiles.


18 posted on 07/23/2014 6:19:31 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The GOP-e scum enlisted Democrats to steal the Republican primary. The GOP-e can go to Hell.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Ever heard of MANPADs and AA guns? No need for SAM to shoot a fighter jet down.

Air support fighter jets usually fly below 15,000ft, military transports also, well in the range of AAA and MANDPADs.

You love to call people who defend their homes from illegal junta "thugs".

So, I believe your heart is on the side of Ukrainian Nazis who burn people alive and murdered hundreds of civilians so far. Your choice. Only make sure you find better arguments to defend it.

19 posted on 07/23/2014 6:36:43 AM PDT by DTA
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To: SampleMan

Great summary and very true.


20 posted on 07/23/2014 6:45:13 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.q)
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To: DTA

~Air support fighter jets usually fly below 15,000ft, military transports also, well in the range of AAA and MANDPADs.~

On the other hand Su-25 is too tough to get downed with a single manpad hit.


21 posted on 07/23/2014 6:45:23 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: DTA
No need for SAM to shoot a fighter jet down.

Yeh -- the Russian-backed thugs of Donetsk save those for unarmed commercial airliners carrying women and children flying safely in international airspace.

22 posted on 07/23/2014 6:48:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: DTA
You love to call people who defend their homes from illegal junta "thugs".

If that's true then why aren't they fighting in their homeland Russia???

What are they doing in someone else's country???

23 posted on 07/23/2014 6:59:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: wetphoenix

“On the other hand Su-25 is too tough to get downed with a single manpad hit.”

Well, as we have seen in Ukraine several times now, that isn’t true....


24 posted on 07/23/2014 7:00:26 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Uncle Chip
>>>>>If that's true then why aren't they fighting in their homeland Russia???<<<<<<

They ARE in THEIR OWN country. Your Nazi junta want to take the land FROM them and stripe off all their civil rights. One of the first laws Kiev junta declared was to BAN the use of Russian language in Ukraine. Russian is spoken by the majority of the Ukraine population for CENTURIES. P> Ukrainian is a dialect relatively few speak outside of Western Ukraine. During elections, most politicians speak Russian so the voters could understand them.

Ukraine never existed as a separate country before Communists created it in 1917. Check the name of "Ukraine" before Soviet takeover - it was called Novorossiya.

You are hopelessly clueless.

25 posted on 07/23/2014 7:11:38 AM PDT by DTA
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To: tcrlaf

~Well, as we have seen in Ukraine several times now, that isn’t true....~

Russian Su-25 “46 red” damaged by MANPAD hit over Georgia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxAmRrdDOuk

MANPADs are relatively weak and for that reason not that much effective against twin-engine, let alone armored aircraft.

It would track an engine exhaust and destroy one engine, but Su-25 can get back home on one engine left.


26 posted on 07/23/2014 7:13:17 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: DTA
Ever heard of MANPADs and AA guns?

MANPADS simply cannot reach an aircraft at 20k ft, let alone 30k. And this aircraft was at 30k. Ditto for AA guns. Although large caliber AA guns from WWII could reach 30k, no one uses them anymore. You won't find anything larger than 57mm.

This aircraft was brought down with SAM system or by another aircraft.

You love to call people who defend their homes from illegal junta "thugs".

What would you call a group of Mexican immigrants who took up arms to force the reunification of the American SW with Mexico?

27 posted on 07/23/2014 7:14:40 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: wetphoenix
>>>>>>>>On the other hand Su-25 is too tough to get downed with a single manpad hit.>>>>>>>

"What goes up must come down" - Isaac Newton, USAF

28 posted on 07/23/2014 7:17:15 AM PDT by DTA
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Troops may not fire nor conduct military ops in 40km #MH17 crash zone - Poroshenko http://on.rt.com/1q9y34

Must have been a humanitarian mission they were on.

29 posted on 07/23/2014 7:19:07 AM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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DTA, are you trying to make a record for lies told per sentence?


30 posted on 07/23/2014 7:21:44 AM PDT by Krosan
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~”What goes up must come down” - Isaac Newton, USAF~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxAmRrdDOuk

Watch this video at 3:10.

It was probably a ‘red 46’ I posted before.


31 posted on 07/23/2014 7:21:54 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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>>>>>>>>What would you call a group of Mexican immigrants who took up arms to force the reunification of the American SW with Mexico?<<<<<<

Russians live for centuries in what is called Ukraine today. It is their country.

Better analogy was this: China bankers install puppet regime in Washington DC and split the U.S. into 15 states. They create Aztlan out of TX, Socal and Arizona. Aztlan government is supported by Beijing. and murder and harass English speakers.

How would you call Texans in this scenario that is similar to what is going on in Ukraine today?

Thugs?

32 posted on 07/23/2014 7:25:33 AM PDT by DTA
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>>>>>DTA, are you trying to make a record for lies told per sentence?<<<<<<<

No, only to smoke out bigots who spew lies to suport their racism.

33 posted on 07/23/2014 7:26:55 AM PDT by DTA
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo; All

I was wondering why Kiev would announce this. They usually don’t announce any losses they can deny.

At least one of the SU-25 shootdowns was filmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfotnnYpzes


34 posted on 07/23/2014 7:28:16 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Rebel Twitter reports say one of the SU-25’s shot down was attacking Rebel positions near Shakhtersk, Donetsk ,close to the MH17 crash site, and within the declared “Ceasefire” Zone.

So much for Poroshenko’s “Cease-fire”.


35 posted on 07/23/2014 7:33:38 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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No, only to smoke out bigots who spew lies to suport their racism.

Oh no -- you played the RACE CARD.

The more I listen to your propaganda the more I realize that you have more in common with Obama and the Democrats and the Left in this country than the conservatives here.

36 posted on 07/23/2014 7:33:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Update on today’s downing of 2 Ukrainian military jets: Rebels claim they hit them with shoulder-fired missiles. http://cnn.it/1rsqSXx


37 posted on 07/23/2014 7:36:22 AM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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To: SampleMan

I’m still looking for some of those AR-15 shotguns and handguns.


38 posted on 07/23/2014 7:40:38 AM PDT by wdk535
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To: McGruff

No, they shot at a commercial airliner and missed.


39 posted on 07/23/2014 7:41:17 AM PDT by wdk535
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To: tcrlaf
within the declared “Ceasefire” Zone.

Who declared THAT AREA a Cease Fire Zone???

All we've heard from you the last 5 days is that it's a Combat Zone -- thus excusing the thuggishness of the thugs of Donetsk.

So get your story straight.

40 posted on 07/23/2014 7:45:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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“Who declared THAT AREA a Cease Fire Zone???”

uhh...
Both Poroshenko and the rebels did.

And you, of course, already know that. So why the dog-whiste BS?


41 posted on 07/23/2014 7:47:05 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Ukraine never existed as a separate country before Communists created it in 1917.

You are wrong. Ukraine did exist as a separate country. Indeed, for several centuries it was the center of Rus civilization. You might as well argue that Poland never existed as a separate country.

Ukraine became a part of the Russian Empire under Peter the Great, much like Scotland became part of the UK. It was not absorbed, it was attached.

Ukraine was never called Novorossiya. That is like saying that South Dakota was once called the Black Hills. Novorossiya is a separately defined area within the Ukraine, which was liberated from the Turks.

Again, like Scotland and the UK, it is not correct to look at Ukraine as a former Russian (as now defined) possession. During the time of the tzars, Ukrainians made up a good portion of the ruling elite of the Empire, but Ukraine maintained a separate identity within the Empire.

If you go to Wales, you will discover that the Welsh language appears first on signage. Should the English immigrants revolt? Indeed, should those who only speak Spanish in the SW revolt at the idea of English being an official language?

42 posted on 07/23/2014 7:51:56 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Troops may not fire nor conduct military ops in 40km #MH17 crash zone - Poroshenko http://on.rt.com/1q9y34


43 posted on 07/23/2014 7:55:43 AM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Racism and race card is not the same thing.

A Caucasian man can hate the entire Caucasian ethnic group AS SUCH. It is racism. Racism is not limited by the skin tone.

The best example are the German Nazis who considered all Slavic people to be untermensch (lesser than human).

German Nazis were racists. Exposing them is NOT a "race card". That's what I am talking about here.

You are pulling straw man here.

The massive use of logical fallacies, semi truths and omissions has nothing to do with Conservative values. It is a method favored by Obunga and his flock.

Hint: before posting check the fact first.

44 posted on 07/23/2014 7:57:45 AM PDT by DTA
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To: Abathar
"I guess the big question now is who shot them down...."

Could've been separatists thinking that it was a civilan passenger jet.

45 posted on 07/23/2014 8:07:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Troops may not fire nor conduct military ops in 40km #MH17 crash zone

How are the thugs of Donetsk doing with that??? Did they sign onto that???

They're not firing on anybody are they or taking advantage of the cease fire to extend their positions???

And I guess they didn't fire on those jets -- they just fell out of the sky, right????

46 posted on 07/23/2014 8:08:02 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Did you not pay attention yesterday, or the day before? Or are you just being deliberately dense??


47 posted on 07/23/2014 8:08:25 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: SampleMan
>>>>>>Indeed, for several centuries it was the center of Rus civilization<<<<<<

In other words, Russia started from there.

The toponym Ukraine means frontier, borderland of Rus.

48 posted on 07/23/2014 8:09:59 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA

Where do you get all this stuff. Do you read it from some forum in the internet or ... ?


49 posted on 07/23/2014 8:13:32 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: McGruff
Rebels claim they hit them with shoulder-fired missiles.

So that's how the rebels honor a cease fire???

50 posted on 07/23/2014 8:16:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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