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Detroit Residents of All Colors Need to Pay Their Water Bills
Townhall.com ^ | July 23, 2014 | Crystal Wright

Posted on 07/23/2014 6:35:31 AM PDT by Kaslin

There’s nothing in the United States Constitution stating Americans have the right not to pay their bills. In fact, the Declaration of Independence, which gave birth to our nation, notes the only unalienable rights we have are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Yet thousands of Detroit residents think they have the right not to pay their water bills and demand their water remain on. About 80,000 residential water accounts are past due to the tune of $43 million. The audacity of freeloaders!

Detroit is an $18 billion bankrupt mess, struggling quite literally to keep the lights on and provide basic services to residents like police protection and emergency services. A year ago, about 40 percent of the cities 88,000 street lamps didn’t work and half of the cities 78,0000 abandoned buildings were declared dangerous.

All this thanks to decades of liberals mismanaging the city, growing its debt but not its revenue. Clearly, every penny the city’s Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr can find is critical.

The Detroit Water and Sewerage Department shut off service to a fraction of the non-payers, about 7,000, triggering hoards of protestors to storm Detroit declaring the shutoffs racist and that “water is a human right.”

Having access to water in your home,like owning a home, is only a right when you pay for it. It’s not a human right, neither is owning a car or a cellphone or having Internet access. But it’s no surprise under the presidency of President Barack Obama that many Americans feel entitled not to pay their bills. Since his election in 2008, Obama has engaged in class warfare, vilifying the rich and people who work hard to pay their bills so others don’t have to.

The most obnoxious and ridiculous response has been from the attorney who filed the class action lawsuit on behalf of freeloading residents who haven’t paid their bills and the NAACP. Both cry that the water department is racist because mostly black people have been affected.

NAACP Legal Defense Fund Veronica Joice cried the shutoffs “are being done in a discriminatory fashion; and they should at least take a look at whether there’s a better way to do this that doesn’t affect the most vulnerable citizens — the majority of whom are African American here in Detroit.”

The class action lawyer, Alice Jennings, took things a step further and alleged white owned companies owing huge water bills weren’t paying their bills either but also didn’t get their water cut off. Contrary to this race baiting bluster, according to Detroit’s water department, corporations like Chrysler received shut off notices and ponied up “millions in overdue bills.”

If more blacks aren’t paying their water bills than whites, how is it racist for the water department to demand the bills be paid? Sounds to me like black residents of Detroit expect to be treated differently when they break the rules solely because of their race. How is this fair?

Many black liberals are taking their cues from President Barack Obama and his US Attorney General Eric Holder who always seem to blame racism on the president’s inability to work with Republicans in Congress and get his agenda done. They think, “If it works for them, it can work for us.”

Obama’s policies also have eviscerated any notion of personal responsibility or self-reliance. From mortgage forgiveness programs to student loan debt, if Americans have a financial obligation they don’t want to pay, Obama seems to have a program for it. Policies like these encourage irresponsibility and the idea the government is always there as a back stop to walking away form one’s obligations. That isn’t the American way, where we all are created equal to have equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department was forced to increase the water rate by 8.7% due to customers refusing to pay their bills. For those people who genuinely experience financial hardship, the Water department offers a Water Affordability Program to help them pay their bills.

I bet the majority of people in Detroit not paying their water bills aren’t delinquent on their cable and cellphone bills. It’s called priorities. The cold hard truth is someone always has to pay for the people who don’t. That’s what a government subsidy is, money taken from working taxpayers to support others who don’t work as hard or not at all. Compassion and charity should be reserved for people who truly need it. Not every Tom, Dick or Harry.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: barack0bama; detroit; ericholder; naacp; racialdiscrimination; resident0bama; unalienablerights; water

1 posted on 07/23/2014 6:35:31 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

How long can it be before the state mandates free utilities for ‘minorities’.


2 posted on 07/23/2014 6:37:56 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kaslin
Say, Veronica, why doesn't the NAACP pay their bills for them?

Oh. Right. In the Liberal dictionary, "compassion" is defined as forcing responsible citizens to pay for freeloaders and the irresponsible.

3 posted on 07/23/2014 6:41:12 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Kaslin
Not to derail the thread but Crystal is a bit off. She asserts:

"In fact, the Declaration of Independence, which gave birth to our nation, notes the only unalienable rights we have are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."


That is most emphatically not so. The declaration says:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


"Among these" does NOT mean "only".
4 posted on 07/23/2014 6:41:24 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: skeeter

That’s the problem. Utilities are usually a city government monopoly. Once the minority population exceeds the white population, uh-oh........... Nobody left to pay da bills.


5 posted on 07/23/2014 6:41:34 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Kaslin

“”that doesn’t affect the most vulnerable citizens — the majority of whom are African American here in Detroit.””

Now there’s a new label for them - MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS!
How so, Mr. Attorney?


6 posted on 07/23/2014 6:43:02 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Kaslin

7 posted on 07/23/2014 6:43:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Thank You Rush

“”Mr. Attorney””

Pardon me - Ms. Attorney


8 posted on 07/23/2014 6:44:28 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: blackdog

“The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money” — Margaret Thatcher


9 posted on 07/23/2014 6:45:42 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Kaslin
the water department is racist because mostly black people have been affected.

Detroit is 82% black. If white and black water customers had not paid their bills at the same rate, and those chosen to be shut off were selected randomly from the group of non-payers, then >80% of those affected would be expected to be black.

In actual fact, it's probable black people are less likely to pay their water bill than white residents.

10 posted on 07/23/2014 6:48:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: blackdog

...nor the infrastructure necessary to deliver that water, which requires maintenance.


11 posted on 07/23/2014 6:48:43 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: areukiddingme1

That’s so like 20 years ago dude..........


12 posted on 07/23/2014 6:48:50 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s been basically a de facto welfare system. The city kept raising rates to cover the residents that didn’t pay their water bill and never tried to collect past due amounts. Those who paid their bills were paying for those that didn’t. Looks like it’s now reached the point that the system is unsustainable, the downfall of all socialist schemes.


13 posted on 07/23/2014 6:49:22 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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To: Paine in the Neck
"Among these" does NOT mean "only".

Well spotted!!

14 posted on 07/23/2014 6:49:22 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: Kaslin
There’s nothing in the United States Constitution stating Americans have the right not to pay their bills.

At least not till after the Article V Convention...


15 posted on 07/23/2014 6:53:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

What people are missing (mostly willfully) is the fact that this water fight is a result of good things happening.

Its a result of the department trying to shave down debt to attract more privatization. Privatization of services is nearly always good.


16 posted on 07/23/2014 6:53:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Sherman Logan
And you can be sure the Water dept is 90% black.

In Atlanta the Water dept seems to be a place where well-connected blacks can get rich through graft while completely mismanaging the water service and racking up millions in federal fines the taxpayers get stuck with.

17 posted on 07/23/2014 6:54:19 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Kaslin

Some will let their children suffer until you pay. They know you’ll stop the children from suffering...as always.


18 posted on 07/23/2014 6:56:30 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam
"They know you’ll stop the children from suffering...as always."

Hamas has made a cottage industry out of it.
19 posted on 07/23/2014 7:01:08 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: blackdog

“Once the minority population exceeds the white population, uh-oh........... Nobody left to pay da bills.”

It’s called “Survival of the Unfit”

Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution (often referred to as The Theory of Survival of the Fittest) describes the positive effects resulting from any “pressure” on an animal species that removes the least fit among the species and allows only the most fit of the species to reproduce. Many of us are well aware of this “Survival of the Fittest” theory, but few are aware that Darwin also makes mention of the negative effects resulting from unlimited reproduction of a species’ least fit when the weak, the lazy, and the stupid are left unchecked.

We like to think otherwise, but our species, Homo sapiens, isn’t that long “out of the trees” and the same laws of nature that affect all of God’s creatures apply equally to us. If we were to observe any other species that had been allowed to reproduce without limitations, we would know immediately what the consequences will be.

Whenever the weak; lazy; and stupid of a species are allowed to reproduce unimpeded by predators that feed off the weak; lazy; and stupid, they soon outnumber the strong, productive, and intelligent. When the weak/lazy/stupid dominate the gene pool, the entire population becomes weak/ lazy/stupid, and then the population collapses.

In the past, when these collapses occurred within human populations, they have been referred to as a “Malthusian Collapse.” Thomas Malthus, a Nineteenth Century Economist, thought these collapses were caused simply because past civilizations had reached a point where human populations could no longer produce sufficient food supplies to feed themselves, but he never pinned down the exact reason for the food shortages.

We now think these collapses of past human civilizations have occurred whenever the unproductive weak/lazy/stupid greatly outnumber the strong/productive/intelligent of the population. In other words, the majority of the population becomes too lazy to perform the work necessary to provide for themselves and what’s left of the strong/productive/intelligent refuses to continue to do it for them.

These collapses have occurred at frequent intervals throughout human history, and Western Civilization is, in my humble opinion, currently on the cusp of one of these collapses.


20 posted on 07/23/2014 7:12:52 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war,and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
And you can be sure the Water dept is 90% black.

At least. Saw a TV show recently that followed Detroit fire fighters around.

Was quite surprised to see they were, by a considerable majority, white. At least at the station shown.

21 posted on 07/23/2014 7:26:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: DJ Taylor

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as ‘bad luck’.” - Robert Heinlein


22 posted on 07/23/2014 7:28:23 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: skeeter

Pretty much does, de facto, now.


23 posted on 07/23/2014 7:29:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Texas Eagle

I’ve come to understand the “80/20” of “liberalism”.

The sheeperals think the “80” is helping people.
The ruling class libs understand that the “80” is punishing those opposing them.


24 posted on 07/23/2014 7:30:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin

She’s kidding, surely. You can’t ask them to give up their $200 Nikes for a mere basic like water.


25 posted on 07/23/2014 7:32:30 AM PDT by expat2
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To: DJ Taylor

I seriously doubt your theory about Malthusian collapses of the past. They did indeed occur, most notably probably in the recurrent “Changes of the Mandate of Heaven” in China.

But there simply was no past society in which the weak/lazy/stupid were kept alive to reproduce in the way they are today in western societies. Even at the peak of population in China before a dynasty collapsed, the weak/lazy/stupid were not supported by others. They just died.

The dysgenic policies of modern societies are a completely new thing.

I think Malthus had it exactly right. Without modern technology and drops in birth rates, populations grew at a geometric rate whereas food production could only increase at an arithmetical rate. A eventually exceeded B, famine ensued and the population crashed.

One of the classic examples is Ireland before the Famine. I don’t think there’s much evidence the Irish population was largely composed of the weak/lazy/stupid, or that productive members of society had been supporting them.


26 posted on 07/23/2014 7:36:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Kaslin
In fact, the Declaration of Independence, which gave birth to our nation, notes the ONLY unalienable rights we have are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

...AMONG THESE are life, liberty, and the purfuit of happinefs.

...AMONG THESE...

27 posted on 07/23/2014 7:36:24 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: DJ Taylor

Well-said. Now, who is in better shape? Not the Europeans/Russians nor the feckless Arabs, that’s for sure. Perhaps the Japanese/Chinese/Koreans, though they are busy joining the Western Civilization. Probably the S. and Central Americans.


28 posted on 07/23/2014 7:40:59 AM PDT by expat2
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To: skeeter

Water is a human right. That must be the mantra.


29 posted on 07/23/2014 7:41:47 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Great quote.


30 posted on 07/23/2014 7:42:19 AM PDT by expat2
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To: luvbach1

“Water’s free, man!”


31 posted on 07/23/2014 7:43:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kaslin

Put an old-fashioned water pump every 3 blocks or so. Give everyone a bucket. Free water. You pump it and haul it, you can have it for free. Anyone who pays can have it pumped to their home or apt. Simple solution.


32 posted on 07/23/2014 7:48:38 AM PDT by punknpuss
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To: punknpuss

Sounds like the whites are the minority here not the blacks.


33 posted on 07/23/2014 8:02:53 AM PDT by oldasrocks (They should lock all of you up and only let out us properly medicated people.)
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To: punknpuss

We have a boat with a 100 gallon water tank. Since the water sits so long I won’t drink it. Just use it for doing dishes, etc.
Every morning I take my 1 gallon jug off the boat and to the closest faucet and fill it up. Then take it back on the boat to make coffee, etc.
Doesn’t kill me.


34 posted on 07/23/2014 8:04:47 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Sherman Logan
whereas food production could only increase at an arithmetical rate

Where did this assertion come from?
Until very recently, food production was always a labor-intensive activity, so it should rise proportionately with population, which was rising exponentially, according to you. Ergo......

35 posted on 07/23/2014 9:19:43 AM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2
food production was always a labor-intensive activity, so it should rise proportionately with population

To a minor extent.

However, the best land is put into production first. Production, especially back then, before modern fertilizers, etc. dropped off really rapidly as marginal land was put into use.

And, of course, there's only so much land. Doubling the number of workers on a 40 acre wheat field will not double production. Might increase it somewhat, but not proportionately to the number of workers.

36 posted on 07/23/2014 9:25:35 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Prichard, Alabama is a Black city surround by the city of Mobile.The Prichard residents just succeeded in firing the water board and merging with the Mobile area water group.

You won't believe all the corruption and graft that comes out of this little city.

37 posted on 07/23/2014 10:08:59 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: Kaslin

As Dr. King put it so eloquently, “I have a dream that one day, my little grandchildren will live in a nation where they can send whitey their water bill.”


38 posted on 07/23/2014 11:12:38 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Kaslin

Not for nothing, but how the hell do you get $540 past due on a water bill?

Most places I have lived shut you off at 10 or 15 days late.


39 posted on 07/23/2014 12:53:51 PM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: Kaslin
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are not the only inalienable (unalienable) Rights protected by the Constitution. They are some of them.

How does one read beyond a comment suggesting the contrary as above?

40 posted on 07/23/2014 1:00:45 PM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Paine in the Neck

You only beat me to it by 6 hours or so. Well done.


41 posted on 07/23/2014 1:01:45 PM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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