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Colorado Cake Company Appeals Decision Forcing Them to Make Cakes for Same-Sex Weddings
Christian Post ^ | 07/23/2014 | Michael Gryboski

Posted on 07/23/2014 9:38:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A Colorado baker who was found guilty of discrimination for not baking a wedding cake for a same-sex couple is appealing the decision.

Jake Phillips of Masterpiece Cakeshop hopes to win at the appellate level after being told that he must serve gay couples wedding cakes and take a diversity course.

Phillips is being represented by the Alliance Defending Freedom, who filed the appeal in the Colorado Court of Appeals last Wednesday.

ADF lead counsel Nicolle Martin, who is involved in the appeal, said in a statement that Phillips did not unlawfully discriminate against anyone, but rather refused to endorse something he morally disagreed with.

"This is not about the people who asked for a cake; it's about the message the cake communicates," said Martin.

"Just as Jack doesn't create baked works of art for other events with which he disagrees, he doesn't create cake art for same-sex ceremonies regardless of who walks in the door to place the order."

In 2012, Charlie Craig and David Mullins wanted Phillips to make a cake for their wedding reception.

Phillips explained to the couple that he could make them other baked items but, because of his Christian beliefs, he will not make them a cake for their reception.

With the aid of the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado, Craig and Mullins filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Division.

The division determined that Masterpiece Cakeshop had discriminated against them. According to the ACLU, the division's findings led the state attorney general's office to file a formal complaint against the company via the state courts.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: colorado; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 07/23/2014 9:38:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Like a cake in an oven, we’re done.


2 posted on 07/23/2014 9:39:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So he got sent to a re-education camp (diversity course)???

What country am I in? It’s as if I woke up in Red China all of a sudden.


3 posted on 07/23/2014 9:41:33 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: SeekAndFind

Antoinette: Let them eat cake.

Federal judge: You make that f$%^ing cake or I’ll put you in a dungeon.

Which one was/is more out of touch? Tough call, but at least the French got some justice.

(Isn’t there an anti-slavery Amendment?)


4 posted on 07/23/2014 9:42:56 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: SeekAndFind
Of course, the homosexuals can discriminate all day long and it's A-OK:

Gay hairdresser refuses to cut NM governor’s hair

5 posted on 07/23/2014 9:43:32 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wouldn’t go to a re-education camp. They’d have to put me in prison first. So far as being obliged to bake gay wedding cakes, well, you can bake ‘em, but they don’t have to be good. Bake them a Mexican sheetcake and see if they want to buy another.


6 posted on 07/23/2014 9:43:43 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is a simple matter to resolve.When a pervert couple demands a cake from them they should make it but leave out one or more essential ingredients (sugar and vanilla extract,for example),thus making it inedible.When the perverts come back demanding a refund you apologize profusely for the error and give them their money back.Word will quickly get around the pervert community to avoid that bakery.
7 posted on 07/23/2014 9:44:49 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: SeekAndFind
“Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, but that doesn’t mean that folks have the right to discriminate,” he told the newspaper. “The goal is never to shut down a business. The goal is to rehabilitate.”
- Brad Avakian, Oregon Labor Commissioner

Rehab isn't always a good thing

8 posted on 07/23/2014 9:45:51 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Joe Brower

RE: Of course, the homosexuals can discriminate all day long and it’s A-OK:

Gay hairdresser refuses to cut NM governor’s hair

______________________________

And are these Taxi Drivers going to be prosecuted?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/18/muslim-drivers-at-cleveland-airport-refuse-to-drive-cabs-with-gay-games/

Muslim drivers at Cleveland airport refuse to drive cabs with Gay Games advertising


9 posted on 07/23/2014 9:45:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: fwdude

RE: The goal is to rehabilitate.

Rehabilitate as in forcing Christians to do things against their beliefs... yeah, that’s rehabilitation.


10 posted on 07/23/2014 9:47:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If this depraved insanity stands and this baker is forced to make cakes in celebration of homo-marriage, it is a clear-cut sign to me that America is fully and completely dead.


11 posted on 07/23/2014 9:50:35 AM PDT by greene66
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To: SeekAndFind

It is quite simple. You do one gay wedding cake. It is a highly decorated Sodom and Gomorrah/Book of Revelations cake covered with figurines that bursts into flames when you light the candles.


12 posted on 07/23/2014 9:50:45 AM PDT by inpajamas (http://outskirtspress.com/ONE)
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To: SeekAndFind

A few thoughts:

1. There is no Constitutional right to force someone to provide a particular service.

2. Just how hard is it to find a homosexual baker who could make the cake and appreciate the business?

3. There was a time when a reasonable judge would tell the plaintiffs to just go away because their claim was not worth the time involved.


13 posted on 07/23/2014 9:51:33 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeekAndFind

What if a black baker was asked to bake a cake for a KKK reunion, with a noose made of frosting on it?

What if a Kosher Butcher was forced to make a Bacon Burger?

What if a Moslem restaurant was ordered to serve food during Ramadan?

What if a radical feminist was forced to cater a Pro-Life Rally?

What if a homosexual was forced to provide some personal services to the Westboro Baptists?

I could go on and on.


14 posted on 07/23/2014 9:52:12 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

RE: There is no Constitutional right to force someone to provide a particular service.

So, refusing service to a black man simply because of his race is constitutional?


15 posted on 07/23/2014 9:52:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind
First of all, would anyone want to eat something baked under duress by someone who doesn't share your philosophies?

Secondly, are they having a moslem owned delicatessen cater the event. If no, why not?

16 posted on 07/23/2014 9:52:58 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Gunpowder green

I read the judgement against him at the time and cracked up. I’d not have been able to live in this country any more had that happened to me. Mexico, maybe.


17 posted on 07/23/2014 9:53:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: left that other site

What if a White man refuses to bake a cake for a black man because he is marrying a white woman?


18 posted on 07/23/2014 9:53:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just why aren’t the LGBT crowd required to go to diversity training? They are the intolerant ones. This is sick to require Christians to go to rehabilitation - is this still America? I think not!


19 posted on 07/23/2014 9:53:37 AM PDT by Catsrus (A)
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To: Mears

bfl


20 posted on 07/23/2014 9:53:58 AM PDT by Mears
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To: SeekAndFind

This is why we will never be able to defend our country by attacking Mexico, Nicaragua, or Guatemala to stop the invasion. Or have the NG shoot at one single border jumper. The Congress and the states are so frightened of violating the presumed rights of our foreign alien enemies and then having to face a class action lawsuit by La Raza, CAIR, and their omnipresent enabler, the ACLU, and then having to deal with all of the maniacal left-wing Marxist judge crap littering America’s courtrooms, who are only too willing to hand the ACLU a victory for America’s enemies. It is way past time to begin to rein in the overwhelming power of this anti-American lawyers group which has had way too much corrosive influence on judicial decisions favoring everything and anything inimical to and destructive of traditional conservative American cultural values.


21 posted on 07/23/2014 9:54:26 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: SeekAndFind

Who wants to bet the gay couple tried a few other bakeries before they were denied a cake at this one?

Instead of going to any other bakery that would be happy to have their business, they wanted to FORCE this one to work for them IN COURT -to set legal precedent.

That is the bottom line.


22 posted on 07/23/2014 9:54:46 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

Considering the Hobby Lobby decision then how can they lose?


23 posted on 07/23/2014 9:56:32 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Precisely.

Even if such marriages are legal, there are people who don’t agree. Should they be forced to provide services to something they don’t agree with?


24 posted on 07/23/2014 9:57:03 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are reasonable laws regarding the hospitality industry that address those situations.

I should have been clearer.


25 posted on 07/23/2014 9:57:07 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I wouldn’t go to a re-education camp.


I was in a class that was kinda like a re-education camp once. The teacher was teaching some stuff that was easily refuted. I called him out on it and explained why it was incorrect. He couldn’t respond. He only knew what had been handed to him. I called him out so many times they kicked me out.


26 posted on 07/23/2014 9:57:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: left that other site

Even if such marriages are legal, there are people who don’t agree. Should they be forced to provide services to something they don’t agree with?


The other side would tell you that if you don’t force them, you end up with Jim Crow.


27 posted on 07/23/2014 9:57:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would think that the bakery should be able to win this in federal court based on the Hobby Lobby decision.


28 posted on 07/23/2014 9:58:02 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: fwdude
“Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, but that doesn’t mean that folks have the right to discriminate,” he told the newspaper. “The goal is never to shut down a business. The goal is to rehabilitate.” - Brad Avakian, Oregon Labor Commissioner

Apparently somebody died and made this guy Boss.

What a country we're becoming!

29 posted on 07/23/2014 9:58:05 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

So far as being obliged to bake gay wedding cakes, well, you can bake ‘em, but they don’t have to be good. Bake them a Mexican sheetcake and see if they want to buy another.


I’m a big fan of civil disobedience.


30 posted on 07/23/2014 10:00:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Here's the wedding cake that you forced me to bake. While you enjoy it, think about the fact that, thanks to you, I've incurred substantial legal bills and had my business and very livelihood put in jeopardy. Both myself, and my family have been subjected to numerous verbal and physical threats from you, and people just like you, for no other reason than you felt the need to score a few political points at our expense.

So.........Bon Appetit!!"

Man, I'd not want to get within 1000 yards of a cake like that.

31 posted on 07/23/2014 10:03:04 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SeaHawkFan

RE: There are reasonable laws regarding the hospitality industry that address those situations.

My point in bringing race up is because this argument will inevitably be brought up in court and a liberal court WILL BUY IT.

The gist of the LGBT argument is this:

IF REFUSING SERVICE TO A BLACK MAN BECAUSE OF HIS RACE IS AGAINST THE LAW ( where one cannot use RELIGION as a shield) ), THEN REFUSING SERVICE TO SOMEONE BECAUSE OF HIS OR HER SEXUAL ORIENTATION SHOULD ALSO BE AGAINST THE LAW.

Conservative lawyers ought to come up with a good argument against that one.


32 posted on 07/23/2014 10:03:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
This is all about the faggots and the commies persecuting Christians.

They need to step off before they push too far.

33 posted on 07/23/2014 10:03:37 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: SeekAndFind

The Civil Rights Act eliminated Freedom of Association.
The Law of unintended consequences.

Everything grows from that Legislation.
The Constitution be damned.


34 posted on 07/23/2014 10:03:38 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, refusing service to a black man simply because of his race is constitutional?


This is the uncomforable part for me, because although I would never do business with an establishment that did such a thing, I think it is constitutional.

“The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog.” — GK Chesterton


35 posted on 07/23/2014 10:05:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf

No one is refusing service to anyone based upon their race.

It is the event that goes against the person’s conscience (whatever the event might be), and that is where the right to refuse to provide a particular service should be protected by the Constitution.

In the case of the Colorado Baker, the homosexuals were already customers. He had never refused them service before. It was the EVENT that was the problem, not the customer.


36 posted on 07/23/2014 10:05:27 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: JamesP81

Hobby Lobby? Please. One win for every thousand cases lost to the ACLU does not a victory make. We are beyond circling the drain.


37 posted on 07/23/2014 10:06:07 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: Kickass Conservative

RE: The Civil Rights Act eliminated Freedom of Association.
The Law of unintended consequences.

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Here’s a hypothetical question — would blacks be enjoying the kind of freedom they have today if the Civil Rights Act were not passed?


38 posted on 07/23/2014 10:06:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: wbill
What you've suggested would be worthless for one simple reason...to be effective the person you're addressing would have to have a conscience.

Do perverts like these strike you as possessing a guilt-ridden conscience?

39 posted on 07/23/2014 10:07:37 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: SeekAndFind

One is on religious grounds. The other can’t be supported on religious grounds.


40 posted on 07/23/2014 10:08:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s a hypothetical question — would blacks be enjoying the kind of freedom they have today if the Civil Rights Act were not passed?


I believe they would be enjoying MORE freedom.


41 posted on 07/23/2014 10:09:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf

RE: One is on religious grounds. The other can’t be supported on religious grounds.

So, it is unconstitutional to form a religion for white people only?


42 posted on 07/23/2014 10:10:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Well there is no constitutional basis to force the population to buy a product either, but it happened.


43 posted on 07/23/2014 10:11:13 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative
Do perverts like these strike you as possessing a guilt-ridden conscience

Not at all.

Nope, I was thinking more along the lines of "Self Preservation". 20 lbs of C-4 would put a pretty good bang into any wedding party.

44 posted on 07/23/2014 10:11:26 AM PDT by wbill
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To: left that other site

No one is refusing service to anyone based upon their race.


Yep. That is basically what I’d say too.


45 posted on 07/23/2014 10:11:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: left that other site

In the case of the Colorado Baker, the homosexuals were already customers. He had never refused them service before. It was the EVENT that was the problem, not the customer.


If this is true, they have a very strong case that they were not discriminating against the homosexuals, but the event for which they wanted the cake. Case closed.


46 posted on 07/23/2014 10:13:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, it is unconstitutional to form a religion for white people only?


Nope.

Freedom of association. But that is not a religion argument. It’s a freedom of association argument.


47 posted on 07/23/2014 10:14:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thing is, though I don’t support jim crow, I believe it was constitutional, at least for private businesses.


48 posted on 07/23/2014 10:14:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I owned the company and eventually lost the fight, I’d hire a baker who could really put the face on a HomoCake. You know, full-blown representative buggery for the Bride and Groom. Let it all hang out there. It would be one of the only two cake styles I’d offer.


49 posted on 07/23/2014 10:15:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: cuban leaf

RE: Freedom of association. But that is not a religion argument. It’s a freedom of association argument.

OK, I’ll play LGBT attorney devil’s advocate.

Then anyone should have the right to refuse service based on the people he wants to associate with...

Therefore, if a racist doesn’t want to associate with blacks, he has the right to refuse service to blacks from his business.


50 posted on 07/23/2014 10:15:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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