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Damning evidence of looting at MH17 crash site grows: Relatives claim victims' phones are answered..
The Daily Mail Online ^ | July 23, 2014 | SIMON TOMLINSON and WILL STEWART

Posted on 07/23/2014 11:37:57 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

A series of disturbing new allegations emerged today that added further weight to claims pro-Russian rebels looted the MH17 crash scene to sabotage the investigation and cash in on the disaster.

In the first, desperate relatives revealed how they had called the mobile phones of their loves ones - only for them to be answered by strangers with 'eastern European-sounding voices'....

New evidence has also emerged that the rebels allegedly planned to sabotage the investigation by contaminating the site with parts from other planes....

Meanwhile, an alleged decree by rebel commander Igor Strelkov appears to admit that the bodies of dead passengers were looted by pro-Russian rebels.

Strelkov is alleged by Kiev to be a serving colonel in Russia's GRU military intelligence....

The order says that jewellery, watches and other valuables taken from bodies must be handed in to the 'defence fund' of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic by 8pm on Wednesday 23 July....

Rather than ordering any looted possessions to be returned to the families, it demands they are taken to Strelkov's headquarters so they can be used to fund the insurgency campaign he is conducting.

The text of order number 432, pictured here, says in Russian:

'To all detachments of Donetsk People's Republic army, to soldiers and commanders who from 18 to 21 July 2014 in the area where the Boeing 777 of Malaysian airlines crashed and who possess personal belongings related to this airplane.

'Before 8 pm on 23 July 2014 you must give these things away to the headquarters of DPR army. Valuable items (watches, earrings, lockets and other jewellery) must be sent to the DPR Defence Fund.'

It is signed by rebel army commander Colonel Igor Strelkov, and carries what appears to be an official stamp....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17

1 posted on 07/23/2014 11:37:57 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

That is what communists/leftists do. They loot.


2 posted on 07/23/2014 11:39:13 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: deadrock

“That is what communists/leftists do. They loot.”

That is what happens in any area where central authority has broken down, and there are numerous examples of it.


3 posted on 07/23/2014 11:40:42 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Uncle Chip

McCain’s Fault™.


4 posted on 07/23/2014 11:41:48 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Uncle Chip

Looting in a war zone? Who knew?


5 posted on 07/23/2014 11:43:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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That’s the bad news for the looters of Donetsk.

But the good news is that Strelkov’s order does not cover the cell phones or credit cards of the victims, or the aluminum parts of the plane.

I guess they can keep those.


6 posted on 07/23/2014 11:44:54 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

So then how many will abide by Strelkov’s order and turn in their loot???


7 posted on 07/23/2014 11:46:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a crime scene not a war zone — unless someone wants to claim that the 298 on that plane were partisans.


8 posted on 07/23/2014 11:50:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Alot of weasel words in here.

...allegedly...an alleged decree...appears...alleged by Kiev...appears to be...


9 posted on 07/23/2014 11:50:08 AM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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To: Uncle Chip

10 posted on 07/23/2014 11:50:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Uncle Chip

Oh good gravy Gertrude! I meant the area they crashed in, not the victims. Lighten up, Francis.


11 posted on 07/23/2014 11:52:25 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: deadrock

Apparently Americans in New Orleans and LA also loot.


12 posted on 07/23/2014 11:53:00 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Uncle Chip
I've looked at all the pictures at the site and one thing bothers me ...

First .. I'm no NTSB crash analyst not do I play one on TV ... and I did NOT spend the night at Holiday Inn, but the pictures are all too serene.

I know .. 300 plus mi. an hr and forward momentum and all that, but ... there was a great big fireball earlier, and I would think there would be at least smoke contamination or something ... anything, but scattered clothes and stuff over a meadow.

The seemingly damning comments attributed to the pictures could also be ... "soldier finds wedding ring and weeps."

Just trying to be objective in a world that makes no sense anyway.

13 posted on 07/23/2014 11:53:30 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The rebels quickly had control of this site. I wonder who was doing the looting? As if it wasn’t obvious.


14 posted on 07/23/2014 11:53:42 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: Uncle Chip

And not a peep from Putin

btw - I heard another RT reporter quit the other day because of the disgraceful reporting RT was doing about the downing of the plane.


15 posted on 07/23/2014 11:53:59 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: dforest
Apparently Americans in New Orleans and LA also loot.

I guess it's ok, then. Never mind, everyone move along. /s

16 posted on 07/23/2014 11:55:25 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: knarf
The seemingly damning comments attributed to the pictures could also be ... "soldier finds wedding ring and weeps."

Apparently their commander Strelkov saw the same picture and wants to have it turned into him so he can weep too.

17 posted on 07/23/2014 11:57:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 1rudeboy

Certainly is not international newsworthy.

People loot all over the world.

Lootin’ is okay now because people are needy and poor. Have you been in la la land? /sarc


18 posted on 07/23/2014 11:58:42 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
Certainly is not international newsworthy. People loot all over the world. Lootin’ is okay now because people are needy and poor. Have you been in la la land? /sarc

"Let them touch those things for once."

19 posted on 07/23/2014 11:59:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dforest
Certainly is not international newsworthy.

I'll forward your concern to Russian state-owned media, that revels in every bit of looting done in the United States.

20 posted on 07/23/2014 12:00:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: deadrock
Damning evidence of looting at MH17 crash site grows

Wow. What a surprise. It happens everyday on the streets of most major cities here.

FMCDH(BITS)

21 posted on 07/23/2014 12:01:09 PM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: 1rudeboy

So you know them, huh? I don’t.

What I do know is that when people want to make a case that people are supposed to believe, they stop before getting into the weeds. What’s next? looters were using fingernail polish of the deceased?

I hate looting, but it isn’t war worthy. It can be a product of war though.


22 posted on 07/23/2014 12:05:11 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
So you know them, huh? I don’t.

Ah, now we appear to be getting at the nut of the problem.

23 posted on 07/23/2014 12:07:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Well, the nut of the problem is you. Surely you can see that.

Have a nice day because you are a waste of time.


24 posted on 07/23/2014 12:13:10 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Thanks, I will. Look for me the next time you post some relativistic bullcrap.


25 posted on 07/23/2014 12:16:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dforest
Wait till he starts calling you a Putinista.
26 posted on 07/23/2014 12:17:15 PM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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To: McGruff

Done been there.


27 posted on 07/23/2014 12:20:14 PM PDT by dforest
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To: McGruff

What time is it over there in Donetsk???

Is it past 8PM yet???


28 posted on 07/23/2014 12:25:10 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Pictures of missile damage to MH17:

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/shrapnel-damage-on-malaysia-plane-consistent-with-missile-strike-1406049495-slideshow/


29 posted on 07/23/2014 12:33:48 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 1rudeboy

Relativistic bullcrap?
My atheist physicist neighbor
says that is the God particle.


30 posted on 07/23/2014 12:35:47 PM PDT by Sparklite
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To: DoughtyOne; All

“The rebels quickly had control of this site. I wonder who was doing the looting? As if it wasn’t obvious.”

They lost a golden opportunity to gain legitimacy in the eyes of the rest of the world, but returning the bodies and all property found.

But respect for private property is the last thing that Pro-Putin irregulars think of.

Now they have cemented their image as thugs.


31 posted on 07/23/2014 12:42:51 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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Yesterday, 200 bodies were released by the rebels and taken by train to the Ukrainian government-controlled city of Kharkiv, raising questions about the condition of the remaining 98.

Rebel commanders claimed the makeshift morgue contained 282 bodies and 87 body parts from an additional 16 people.

This would have accounted for all of the passengers killed when the Boeing 777 was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile, however, after carrying out a body count last night, Dutch forensic experts found the number to be ‘significantly less’.

The head of the Dutch team leading the investigation, Jain Tuinder, said he estimated just 200 bodies had arrived in Kharkiv as well as a number of unidentified body parts.

Dutch air safety officials leading the investigation into the disaster also said today that they still had not got safe access to the crash site in eastern Ukraine.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703146/No-wonder-country-falling-apart-Ukraine-parliament-erupts-mass-brawl-nationalists-separatists-trade-blows-floor.html


32 posted on 07/23/2014 12:44:27 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain

I agree. Furthermore, this was a CYA effort from the get-go.


33 posted on 07/23/2014 12:46:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: dforest
Apparently Americans in New Orleans and LA also loot.


34 posted on 07/23/2014 12:58:29 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

There was a day when immigrants coming to America came here on their own, ready to work hard for the OPPORTUNITY to achieve the American Dream.

Now they come as OPPORTUNISTS to live off the taxpayers at the invitation of the American Government.

My what a slide.


35 posted on 07/23/2014 1:09:13 PM PDT by dforest
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To: McGruff
Wait till he starts calling you a Putinista.

Wait till a Putinista whines about it.

36 posted on 07/23/2014 1:25:52 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dforest
Don't forget the Romans looted Carthage in 149 BC.
/relativist
37 posted on 07/23/2014 1:27:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Are you bored?


38 posted on 07/23/2014 1:31:54 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Bored, no. Amused, yes.


39 posted on 07/23/2014 1:34:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

So am I. You are always amusing.


40 posted on 07/23/2014 1:41:56 PM PDT by dforest
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To: marktwain
Now they have cemented their image as thugs.

The text of order number 432, pictured here, says in Russian: 'To all detachments of Donetsk People's Republic army, to soldiers and commanders who from 18 to 21 July 2014 in the area where the Boeing 777 of Malaysian airlines crashed and who possess personal belongings related to this airplane.

'Before 8 pm on 23 July 2014 you must give these things away to the headquarters of DPR army. Valuable items (watches, earrings, lockets and other jewellery) must be sent to the DPR Defence Fund.'

It is signed by rebel army commander Colonel Igor Strelkov, and carries what appears to be an official stamp.

The alleged order has been posted on social media websites in Ukraine and Russia.

Best Ukrainian propaganda (if that's what it is) to date!
41 posted on 07/23/2014 1:43:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dforest

Speaking of relativism, did anyone in New Orleans or LA issue the sort of directive I posted above?


42 posted on 07/23/2014 1:45:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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