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The Secret Government Rulebook For Labeling You a Terrorist
The Intercept ^ | 23 Jul 2014, 2:45 PM EDT | By Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Devereaux

Posted on 07/23/2014 12:20:40 PM PDT by redreno

The Obama administration has quietly approved a substantial expansion of the terrorist watchlist system, authorizing a secret process that requires neither “concrete facts” nor “irrefutable evidence” to designate an American or foreigner as a terrorist, according to a key government document obtained by The Intercept.

The “March 2013 Watchlisting Guidance,” a 166-page document issued last year by the National Counterterrorism Center, spells out the government’s secret rules for putting individuals on its main terrorist database, as well as the no fly list and the selectee list, which triggers enhanced screening at airports and border crossings. The new guidelines allow individuals to be designated as representatives of terror organizations without any evidence they are actually connected to such organizations, and it gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to place “entire categories” of people the government is tracking onto the no fly and selectee lists. It broadens the authority of government officials to “nominate” people to the watchlists based on what is vaguely described as “fragmentary information.” It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted.

(Excerpt) Read more at firstlook.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dhs; domesticextremists; domesticterrorists; govtabuse; noflylist; terrorist; tsa; tyranny; wot

1 posted on 07/23/2014 12:20:40 PM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

By their own definition, Ubama is a terrorist. Why aren’t they going after him?


2 posted on 07/23/2014 12:22:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: redreno; GeronL; Slings and Arrows; Nachum

How is Bill Ayers, FOO (Friend of Obama), classified?


3 posted on 07/23/2014 12:24:47 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


4 posted on 07/23/2014 12:30:58 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: yorkiemom; null and void; laplata; Gluteus Maximus; Salvavida; Foundahardheadedwoman; baddog 219; ..

CWII Spark — “We don’t need no evidence that you’re a terrorist!”


5 posted on 07/23/2014 12:50:35 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: redreno

Signs you might be a “terrorist”:
White? check
Male? check
Heterosexual? check
Conservative? checkcheckcheckcheck
Against Obama? checkcheckcheckcheckcheck
Christian? checkcheckcheckcheckcheckcheckcheck


6 posted on 07/23/2014 12:56:14 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: redreno
It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted.

now THERE'S a productive use of taxpayer dollars!


7 posted on 07/23/2014 12:58:42 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

It’s rude to call them ‘dead people’. The new term is ‘metabolically challenged persons’ or ‘persons with a metabolical impairment’.

Aside from their penchant for voting Democrat they’re just like everyone else.


8 posted on 07/23/2014 1:04:08 PM PDT by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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To: OneWingedShark
CWII Spark

I keep hearing this, but the fact is, people are too caught up in trying to survive day to day, paying mortgage, keeping their car running, paying bills in general, etc. that to do anything but would just be way too much sacrifice. That, and American Idol is on...why jeopardize it all? That is the kind of thinking that has led us to this point, at least.

9 posted on 07/23/2014 1:06:11 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: redreno

This is why we must never give in to background checks for gun ownership.


10 posted on 07/23/2014 1:19:24 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: dware; OneWingedShark

CWII Spark

I keep hearing this, but the fact is, people are too caught up in trying to survive day to day, paying mortgage, keeping their car running, paying bills in general, etc. that to do anything but would just be way too much sacrifice. That, and American Idol is on...why jeopardize it all? That is the kind of thinking that has led us to this point, at least.


I agree with you, which is why I value these ‘alerts’ even more. The foundations of a Civil War here in America have been carefully laid down over the decades since World War II. Today there are numerous, perhaps too numerous things to list or enumerate that could spark such a conflict.

But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t there. As for myself I firmly believe that if any such ‘Civil War’ were to occur it would not be one as simple as the war against the states of the 1860’s. No... today such a conflict would most appear to an outside observer as simple anarchy at first. A total free-for-all probably based in the search for food, but who knows that for sure?

The triggers for such a conflict as far as I am concern will fully rest upon the removal of one or more of the ‘legs’ that our civil society stands upon right now. They are:

A: Plentiful food.
B: Electricity for our highly electrified lifestyle including and especially the means of entertainment. TV, Video Games, Computers, the Internet, etc.
C: Loss of Freedom of Movement, especially to search out ‘A & B’
D: Gun Confiscation, You could still have ‘A, B & C’ but take away the personal right to own and bear arms for defense of yourself, family and loved ones, and you guarantee the loss of ‘A,B & C’.

Everything else in our society, can and is being chipped away at slowly but surely much like a piece of sandstone is washed away by running water. We are all suffering ‘Normalcy Bias’ in our daily lives. But take away any of these four Legs and we will collapse in Civil War in three days or less.


11 posted on 07/23/2014 1:28:10 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: beethovenfan

Pretty much.


12 posted on 07/23/2014 1:36:17 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (I don't even know what to say anymore..)
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To: redreno

1. If you read this article you will be listed
2. If you don’t contribute to the establishment you will be listed
3. If we don’t like you you will be listed.

etc etc


13 posted on 07/23/2014 1:38:50 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: redreno
It also allows for dead people to be watch listed.

That is the entire democrat voting base!
14 posted on 07/23/2014 1:49:17 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Nachum; null and void; Old Sarge; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Myrddin; MamaDearest; ...
The new guidelines allow individuals to be designated as representatives of terror organizations without any evidence they are actually connected to such organizations, and it gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to place “entire categories” of people the government is tracking onto the no fly and selectee lists.

It broadens the authority of government officials to “nominate” people to the watchlists based on what is vaguely described as “fragmentary information.” It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted.

15 posted on 07/23/2014 2:33:01 PM PDT by LucyT (TEOCAWKI: The End of Civilization as We Know it. ... We're there.)
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To: LucyT

My wife and I both had our drivers licenses expire around the same time so we went to the DMV here in NH and we have to wait 60 days now before we get our new licenses because the TSA has to check us out first.


16 posted on 07/23/2014 2:52:02 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

I renewed my license online the last time, which was less than a year ago. I’m not sure if it had expired. Was it the fact that yours had expired that caused the wait?


17 posted on 07/23/2014 2:54:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I actually had a letter that stated I could renew online but it didn’t work. My wife got a letter stating she wasn’t eligible to renew online. There was a statement on a TV that just stated we would get a 60 day temporary license while the TSA checked our information.


18 posted on 07/23/2014 2:58:31 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: MeganC

I don’t know. Metabolically challenged sounds racist to me.

Let’s call them “room temperature” people.

Or wait! “People of quietus.” Quietus means “dead.”

Which is why I laugh so hard at the tinnitus-relief commercials
for Quietus. It does not mean what they think it means.


19 posted on 07/23/2014 3:09:29 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: GregNH

I’m shocked.


20 posted on 07/23/2014 3:17:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

If you Google “60 day temporary paper license” you will see that this is going on in many places.


21 posted on 07/23/2014 3:20:02 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

I wonder if this has something to do with the DMV no longer notifying people that their licenses are scheduled to expire?


22 posted on 07/23/2014 3:31:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

It has everything to do with a national data base with pictures for facial ID!


23 posted on 07/23/2014 3:57:54 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

Ok.


24 posted on 07/23/2014 4:16:14 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: a fool in paradise
How is Bill Ayers, FOO (Friend of Obama), classified?

I'll bet he gets a pass... Liberals tend to hand those out to each other.

25 posted on 07/23/2014 4:48:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize-Voltaire)
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To: LucyT
Not even death provides a guarantee of getting off the list. The guidelines say the names of dead people will stay on the list if there is reason to believe the deceased’s identity may be used by a suspected terrorist–which the National Counterterrorism Center calls a “demonstrated terrorist tactic.” In fact, for the same reason, the rules permit the deceased spouses of suspected terrorists to be placed onto the list after they have died.

Gosh, I had no idea the "deceased's identity" could be used by someone else. /s

Now who would do such a thing?

26 posted on 07/23/2014 5:33:21 PM PDT by azishot
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To: beethovenfan

Recall that Mayor Bloomberg postulated that the Times Square bombing plot was pro’lly a bitter obese white male upset over Obamacare...


27 posted on 07/23/2014 6:05:10 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted.

>> now THERE'S a productive use of taxpayer dollars!

So long as these aren't called investigations into "unAmerican activities" you'll never hear about it in Hollywood, academia, or news broadcasts.

Obama is permitted to witchhunt all he wants.

28 posted on 07/23/2014 6:06:44 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: redreno; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

29 posted on 07/23/2014 7:07:49 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: dware

“I keep hearing this, but the fact is, people are too caught up in trying to survive day to day, paying mortgage, keeping their car running, paying bills in general, etc. that to do anything but would just be way too much sacrifice.”

They are for now. When food or services are unavailable things will change.


30 posted on 07/23/2014 8:43:40 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: null and void

Geez what a conundrum I was proud to be on Nixon’s list.... and certainly am proud to be on this one....but it took so much more effort to be on the former than the later


31 posted on 07/23/2014 9:11:18 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: LucyT

32 posted on 07/24/2014 1:08:34 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: redreno

“They also define as terrorism any act that is “dangerous” to property and intended to influence government policy through intimidation.”

So if you protest the government, you are on the list.

“In addition to data like fingerprints, travel itineraries, identification documents and gun licenses, the rules encourage screeners to acquire health insurance information, drug prescriptions, “any cards with an electronic strip on it (hotel cards, grocery cards, gift cards, frequent flyer cards),” cellphones, email addresses, binoculars, peroxide, bank account numbers, pay stubs, academic transcripts, parking and speeding tickets, and want ads. The digital information singled out for collection includes social media accounts, cell phone lists, speed dial numbers, laptop images, thumb drives, iPods, Kindles, and cameras.”

Gun licenses?
But, they insist that they won’t be used for confiscation.
/ sarc


33 posted on 07/24/2014 5:20:57 AM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: redreno

If you didn’t vote for hussein, you’re on the list.


34 posted on 07/24/2014 6:44:57 AM PDT by bgill
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To: redreno

Congratulations! Freepers just made the list.


35 posted on 07/25/2014 2:29:56 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I retired last year from the military after 26 years of service. I was fairly outspoken while on active duty. Since I have retired I have become VERY outspoken (FR, email, FB, phone, public). Since my retirement date I have received notice from the IRS that “somehow” my 2010 tax return had an error and I owe. I’ve also been visited by two agents from the FBI. I do not do anything illegal so I see no reason for them to bother me.


36 posted on 08/02/2014 8:58:37 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: rfreedom4u

I’d get a lawyer for the IRS thing. Bullies love it when people don’t defend themselves.


37 posted on 08/02/2014 9:16:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: trisham

Here in Maine, my driver’s license was due to expire a month ago.

In May, they sent me a letter in the mailing informing me that I needed to renew my license and how to go about it.

A week before it was due to expire in July, I went to my local Bureau of Motor Vehicles, filled out a brief form, and paid them thirty dollars.

They put a sticker on the back of my old license and told me that a new license would be in the mail. The new license came a week or two later, no problems.


38 posted on 08/17/2014 10:38:27 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Politicians and diapers must be changed often for the same reason)
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To: rfreedom4u

What did Holder’s employees (the FBI) say to you?


39 posted on 08/17/2014 10:40:07 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Politicians and diapers must be changed often for the same reason)
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