Skip to comments.Russian soldiers VK-page shows RUSSIA is shelling Ukraine with heavy artillery
Posted on 07/23/2014 7:43:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Russian soldiers VK-page shows RUSSIA is shelling Ukraine with heavy artillery
Valdimir Petrov @_hedder found evidence of a Russian artillery unit shelling Ukrainian positions from Russian territory, because a soldier from this unit is posting photos on his VKontakte page (the Russian Facebook). Or course immediately after discovering this, his page has been deleted. But the info is still here:
"all night we were cannoning Ukraine"
It's getting harder to keep things secret with sites like facebook around, not to mention mobile phones. Even Strelkov, the Russkie agent in Ukraine, was nailed because he was bragging on their version of facebook for the shootdown. Maybe Vladimir will ban them soon.
” Maybe Vladimir will ban them soon.”
It will happen.
I do respect Valds patriotic spirit, seems he is not as smart as thought.
The russian could have bought the Crimea for less than this mess has cost them.
OK, so what?
This means a Russian soldier has shared proof that his nation is illegally shelling a sovereign foreign country while his own president and government and military denied that they were doing it.
Not our problem. Let Europe deal with it.
Vlad’s patriotic spirit is all showmanship, always was. If he was a Russian patriot, he would not spend billions of dollars rebuilding Chechnya to support a puppet Islamic regime that gets him 99 percent of the vote there. He also would not be bombing his own people sometimes, as is alleged by people like the late Alexander Litvinenko.
In other words, leading from behind.
Why should we lead on anything that is going on in Europe? The U.S. has no pressing National interest in Ukraine, and even if we did, our military is in no shape to fight the Russians in their own back yard.
Russia and its allies are our mortal enemies. We either fight them, or we do nothing and watch them take the advantage. The difference between us winning and them winning is the difference between humanity alive and humanity dead.
Our mortal enemies are invaders crossing the Mexican-US border at will, Mideastern terrorists, and US Senators. Anyone such as Putin who provides stability for his nation and thwarts terrorism should be our ally.
Not buying it.
Which is stupid, since Putin supports Iran's nuclear program, and is building an Islamic caliphate in Chechnya. Anyone who says that Russia "thwarts" terrorism, when Moscow itself is the seat of terrorism of the world, is an idiot. He even used Muslim Chechens to invade Ukraine. Not only that, but "stability" in Russia was accomplished through beating and murdering his opposition and taking control of the media.
I notice that you do not give something very important: the reasons.
Such a view as yours is inherently irrational, and so, I do not expect any legitimate reasons to come from the Paul-brigade and Putin-fanboys.
Boy, some of the responses to what is an act of war make me wish I were playing a game of Risk for $ with the authors.
"Ukraine is game to you?"
Seems that many of you warmongers have already forgotten our recent experience in Iraq, and completely ignore the fact that Russia is a completely different, larger, and certainly more lethal animal.
I say not only no to getting involved, but HELL NO!
Go get em cowboy.
Just a strawman. No one said anything about sending troops. With this logic, you undermine the conservative interpretation of the cold war. Any reaction to the Soviets ought to be met with isolationism and defeatism. That is your position, while stupidly accusing people of wanting to send in "troops,' as if that's the only thing that can be done.
You're behind times:
The Cold War was a different conflict, in which many folks around here apparently insist on re-living. The USSR was ideologically committed to world domination, and we had to act to prevent a complete global takeover by the Communists. Moreover, we had the moral authority and the economic, political, and military might with which to first contain and then defeat the Soviets.
Putin is not a Communist anymore, but a neo-Tsarist, whose goal is to rebuild the old Russian Empire, circa January 1917. He wants a European and Asian hegemony, not a complete takeover of the world. Hence, the Ukrainian conflict, which the West set off anyway by meddling there, is regional in nature, and none of our business. Additionally, even if it was our business, the U.S. no longer has the moral authority, as well as the economic and military power, to do anything about it, the current Obama regime.
I like how the Paulbots and other freaks always like to tell us how the "cold war" is over and everybody who says otherwise is crazy. We have a Russkie President who is former KGB, operating what is essentially a KGB state, with a media that is programming his people to hate Americans and blame us for all the world's ills, and with a military actively attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union and beyond.
This is called "the cold war."
Putin is not a Communist anymore, but a neo-Tsarist, whose goal is to rebuild the old Russian Empire, circa January 1917.
Putin is a communist, and the "Neo-Tsarists" in Russia are also Communists. They even say so. There are "ultranationalist" and "Orthodox" Christian Communists, and they sing the same tune, and that tune is Putin and him running things, and death to the United States.
"Russia is the only country in the world which is really capable of turning the USA into radioactive ash." - Dmitry Kiselyov, General Director of Russia Today
"An important aspect of the Eurasian worldview is an absolute denail of Western Civilization. In the opinion of the Eurasians, the West with its ideology of liberalism [Democracy] is an absolute evil." - Aleksandr Dugin, Political Scientist and adviser to MP Sergei Naryshkin
He wants a European and Asian hegemony, not a complete takeover of the world.
IOW, he just wants part of the world, not all of it.
Additionally, even if it was our business, the U.S. no longer has the moral authority, as well as the economic and military power, to do anything about it, the current Obama regime.
No one ever had moral authority fighting the Nazis. They were teamed up with Joseph Stalin. That is not a reason to not defend yourself. If I am guilty of some great sin, that does not mean it is okay for someone to rape and murder my family. This is no logic at all.
....during the Cold War there was ‘diplomacy’ and ‘safeguards’ that are not there today with our run away administration and that of Ukraine's. Nuclear weaponry was considered ‘mutually’ a last resort.
In 2002 A Senate discussion with Defense took place where it was spoken that certain Nuclear weapons could be used “safely” in a conventional war without affecting the nearby citizenry, and that use of these would ‘not require’ Presidential consent.
That session sent shivers down everyone’s spine and.. ‘changed the equation’.. entirely from the cold war parameters and safeguards. We are no longer in that era.
I agree the Russia today is not the Russia of that time as well...and will add....the Russian people are accustomed to hard and difficult times, they will continue to rally with Putin the more the US pushes against their leader, who has already proved his allegiance to their country and it's people....they 'trust' him even if some may at times may question his moves. ( just a side note FYI.....Kiev's directing scads of revenues and rapidly building up their airstipes.)
This guy got it right even back then.
“I have one yardstick by which I test every major problem - and that yardstick is:......Is it good for America?”
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
As usual you are a butt kissing Putinista. Tell this to all those people murdered and imprisoned by your hero Putin, that he has "earned their trust."
Yes, I know... your family and others likely suffered under the USSR.....and Putin does crack down on those now who would create issues in his country. Nobody’s saying he’s a saint by any means...but he does know the people of his country and where they have been and need to come to...
....and they aren’t Americans nor with our history to determine how their country is run. They get to determine that and they support him. For any who have checked it’s pretty easy to see why they do.
I am Hispanic, you dufus, and a native of Texas. I'm just conservative, so naturally I do not worship Putin like you do.
and Putin does crack down on those now who would create issues in his country.
That's an interesting way to put it. So when someone does not want to go along with the KGB, they are "creating issues in his country"? Well, we gotta have someone to sort out these troublemakers, eh?
Nobodys saying hes a saint by any means...but he does know the people of his country and where they have been and need to come to...
You are not saying he is a saint, thereby agreeing that he is a mass murderer of his own people and a tyrant, and then you say "but he does know the people of his country." Yes, big brother always knows best.
Your sycophantic love of Putin is showing.
Yep, and public executions are warranted after trials that show the world the horror these Russian psychopaths have committed.
FOOTAGE Shows Unexploded BM30 SMERCH Missile “in Living Room”....in East Ukraine...(IMO this has nothing to do with ridding East Ukraine's of “terrorist’... This looks like warfare missiles and all the destruction that goes with him or without declared war....these are being used throughout Donetsk and Lugansk communities....and even OSCE reported to UN that Kiev is firing where there are no separatists or terrorist’s, rather civilian areas causing no threat.....Kiev is absolutely destroying Eastern Ukraine...for profit!
There have been reports and videos of Kiev using the heavy “Smerch” rockets, as well as the even heavier type (Can’t remember the name), against civilian areas for 3 weeks now. These are, by nature, indiscriminate area weapons.
Of course, I have been called every name in the book for pointing this out.
I’m afraid our boys will end up taking this if Obama and the Eu and Russia don’t stand down....and this is just a practice run....
They need Russia's oil and gas too much.
No, not really.
Thanks for setting me straight on that. Your powerful argument really taught me a lesson.
It might be because your sources are Russian media (though you rarely post any support for anything you say), which have been proven to be liars, just like you.
Notice that instead of pinging this to me, you ping it to your fellow travelers. Is it because you know I'll ask you to provide proof?
They need Russia's oil and gas too much.
Well they better start kissing some butt. We got own border problems.
exercise...yea exercise in killing Ukrainians, Quisling.
Kiev Media has proven to be liars, as well, but I don’t see you childishly insulting anyone over that.
Now, I wonder why that is??
laughable props... ha ha ha
You know, I've seen this claim many times, but I've never seen any of you ever provide evidence for this assertion. It's just kind of what you say every time your sources are proven to be fraudulent.
Now, I wonder why that is??
You are a pathological liar, so we both know you do not wonder about it.
Is this conversation now about “Guns and Roses”?
Somebody get Axel on the phone.
PS: Beautiful rose!
Kiev can’t even control the kids in kiev, let alone sit on these punks butts.....here’s the little nazi brats downtown attacking a news office in Kiev July 5,2014...watch the street in the right corner, before they even get there...and they just keep coming.
My powerful arguments? Try looking at history. You engaged in hyperbole in calling Russia our "mortal enemies" and this clearly is not the case.
Our mortal enemy is militant Islam. Get a grip.
It’s more than reports ...there’s footage of them being fired as they go overhead in the ATO area....here
Yes, they are just pure as the driven snow, right? No propaganda whatsoever coming out of Kiev??
Lol... I really do enjoy a good laugh. Thanks!
“Kiev cant even control the kids in kiev”
It has been some 9 hours since the government fell in Kiev. CNN hasn’t even mentioned it.