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China’s Mega Warship Plans Become Clearer With New Photos
Popular Science ^ | 07.23.2014 | Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer

Posted on 07/24/2014 3:13:36 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Five months after the first pictures surfaced in February 2014, the Type 055 cruiser testing rig at Wuhan has taken significant steps towards completion. The advantages of a land based test rig allow Chinese naval engineers to make cheaper adjustments and modifications to the electronics, compared to rebuilding an expensive cruiser on sea trials. Once launched, the Type 055 cruiser will be among the world's most powerful surface combatant warships, giving the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) a multipurpose warship useful for both blue water expeditionary warfare and anti-access/area denial missions.

While much scaffolding remains, the photos show recent additions include a 130mm H/PJ-38 cannon turret (or a mockup, given the current lack of ammo loading machinery beneath the deck) at the bow. One Type 1130 close in weapons system (CIWS) is located in front the of the bridge superstructure on a platform behind the PJ-38 main gun (the space between the PJ-38 and Type 1130 CIWS would hold 64-72 vertical launch system (VLS) cells). The Type 1130 can fire around 10,000 rounds of two pound shells to intercept missiles flying at Mach 4. To round out the Type 055's defense armament, a HQ-10 air defense launched has been installed in the rear above the helicopter hangar. The gap forward of the hangar and behind the exhaust stacks could hold an additional 48-64 VLS cells.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; china; cruiser; maritime; redchina; usn

Type 055 Cruiser Test Rig The 055 cruiser test bed is a step closer to completion, as seen in the portside (left) view. The main cannon, CIWS and FL-3000 missile launcher have all been installed, and the helicopter hangar is complete. lt.cdjby.net

1 posted on 07/24/2014 3:13:36 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

World communism part deux. Only a second world and third world in the future, with no first world?


2 posted on 07/24/2014 3:24:45 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Jeff Head

PING!


3 posted on 07/24/2014 3:29:25 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
So the ChiComs have their own "Cruiser in a Cornfield", eh?


4 posted on 07/24/2014 3:34:13 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Olog-hai

The Chinese have always spoken of themselves as “The Middle Kingdom”, midway between heaven and earth. Nowadays, that would be midway between the purity of Marxist-Leninism and the filth of the remainder of the world. This ship, and the confiscation of the entire China Sea, would simply be the means by which that relationship would remain the status quo.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 3:37:13 AM PDT by Pecos (Kakistocracy - killing the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Looks land locked. Worthless.

/s


6 posted on 07/24/2014 3:38:21 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
It would sure be a damn shame if some of that metal being used was not up to spec...or some of the metal contained defects that were not detected in routine inspection.
Sure would create a lot of problem when that thing got all wound up.

Just sayin'....
8 posted on 07/24/2014 3:53:44 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Jeff Head

Ping.


9 posted on 07/24/2014 3:54:54 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Tainan

Keep buying that Chinese made crap, it’s paying for these new ships.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES sell the Chinese short. They have been around for a long time and are very smart cookies, unlike our present American “leaders”.


10 posted on 07/24/2014 4:06:25 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: DaveA37

How does it stack up against the Peter the Great of the Russian Navy?


11 posted on 07/24/2014 4:13:14 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: DaveA37
Thank you for sharing that.
Perhaps you have a blog or website I can subscribe to in order to receive such wisdom as this on a timely basis?
12 posted on 07/24/2014 4:22:39 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

And there are STILL PEOPLE, ON THIS SITE that think China and Russia dropped all new weapons development once the Cold War ended, just because we did.

Well, sorry, those two countries, at a minimum, DID NOT have any intention of freezing our advantage in place and pretty soon we are going to get a bloody nose if we keep acting like cowboys (as people here are calling for with Ukraine), but riding around with slingshots, when they have real guns.


13 posted on 07/24/2014 4:36:45 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

14 posted on 07/24/2014 4:57:08 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

I understand our continuous development of new arms and equipment has not abated, but with a simple order to “stand down” or “remain in place” will render them a science museum piece.

Those in control will not do as the Egyptian military did when confronted with the enemy in control of the government. Our current administration is being manipulated by a sophisticated mind. Obviously not the spokesman’s mind.


15 posted on 07/24/2014 5:19:36 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: tanknetter

Every time we drive down the NJ Turnpike, at Mile Marker 41 I ask my daughter if we are near the water...

“No Daddy!” she says.

Then what is that ship doing over there!!!


16 posted on 07/24/2014 5:21:30 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Tainan
It would sure be a damn shame if some of that metal being used was not up to spec...or some of the metal contained defects that were not detected in routine inspection.

You would be amazed at how meticulous people can be, if failure of their work at sea results in all the people involved in building the thing getting looked up and getting a bullet behind the ear.

17 posted on 07/24/2014 5:23:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

I wish we got as much for our defense dollars as the Chinese or the Russians... Instead we get failures like the F-35.


18 posted on 07/24/2014 5:49:45 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Ben Ficklin

You forgot to include the graph that shows how far our procurement dollars go in relationship to countries that do not allow unions.

Because that graph blows the “but-but-but-we-outspend-every-other-country” canard back into the Stone Age.


19 posted on 07/24/2014 6:00:54 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Little Ray; snowrip
In the US, when a supplier provides something to the govt, they always charge double what they charge to a private sector buyer. Not just defense related or federal govt. Muny govts and school districts also pay more.

When it comes to unions, people tend to exaggerate.

In texas, a right to work state, there are three type shops. Union shops, Non-union shops, and wetback shops. If you need a home AC, the Trane is made in a union shop so it is slightly higher in price but you know that it was made by people with a lot of experience. OTOH, you can save a little money with the Janitrol since it is made in a wetback shop. But not much money. There is a lot more to the cost than just the labor.

Defense contractors in the manufacturing sector are always over-engineered, a non-union job.

Most people tend to look at unions as a monolithic group but there is a lot of variation amongst all the locals and usually in a particular shop, labor relations are actually driven by the steward in that shop.

20 posted on 07/24/2014 8:02:09 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tainan

Yeah... I saw this: “compared to rebuilding an expensive cruiser on sea trials” and immediately thought they have a long way to go because the mockups do not substitute for sea trials in any way except for basic space and layout developments. Until they have the systems underway and see the interactions and stresses in sea lane conditions it ain’t cooked.


21 posted on 07/24/2014 9:22:51 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Ben Ficklin

You might want to compare BATTLE TANKS, PLANES, and NUKES between the Russians and the US.

You might be surprised that, at best, we’re even...if that.

You might LEARN SOMETHING if you do.


22 posted on 07/24/2014 3:54:15 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

I don’t know about planes and tanks but as for nukes and nuke delivery systems we have been thru 20 plus years of START so there is parity thru reduction


23 posted on 07/24/2014 4:35:24 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

That’s basically my point. We’re at parity on nukes, planes, and soldiers. They are still way ahead on tanks.

The dollar numbers don’t mean a thing for a number of reasons - if they did, there wouldn’t have been a Cold War and China wouldn’t have more soldiers. Just a comparison of personnel and procurement costs (for equivalent hardware) proves that out - we pay much, much, more for equivalent hardware - because we pay our people much better.


24 posted on 07/24/2014 6:15:43 PM PDT by BobL
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To: DaveA37
The Chinese are building a very modern and very credible Navy. They have been working hard on it for well over 15 years.

THE RISING SEA DRAGIN IN ASIA

They are not near parity with the US Navy...but they are far more concentrated while we are spread out across the seven seas.

Their latest developments ion surface warfare include six type 052C destroyers which are similar to our Arliegh Burke class, and then a follow on, improved class called the Type 052D of which they have launched four vessels in the last two years, have two more building, and will build 12-16 of them.

More recently they have this mockup of their Type 055 cruiser, which will be on the order of 11,000 to 12,000 tons.

The mockup (which is something they also did with their carrier) is full scale and allows them to do a lot of training and logistical testing,

I took some creative license and PS'ed that photo to come up with this accurate depiction:

They will build ten to twelve of these.

As a testament of their building capabilities, they have been producing their Type056 LCS type corvette for the last two years. It is well armed (better armed than our new LCS) weighs in at just over `1,500 tons.

In the last twenty four months they have launched 22 o these and commissioned 14 of them.


25 posted on 07/25/2014 8:51:16 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: sukhoi-30mki; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 8:52:19 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Timber Rattler; Tainan; BobL

See my post 25.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 8:52:27 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks...nice to NOT be labeled as paranoid once in a while.

We have to STOP THINKING that the rest of the world is standing still, thereby locking-in our advantage. That has never happened and never will.

No doubt the Brits thought that entering the 20th Century.


28 posted on 07/26/2014 3:58:23 AM PDT by BobL
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