Skip to comments.‘We shot down MH17 thinking it was Ukrainian cargo plane’: Sensational admission by pro-Russian
Posted on 07/24/2014 7:30:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
A pro-Russian separatist fighting in eastern Ukraine has admitted rebel forces shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, it has been claimed.
The militant, who has not been identified, reportedly said fighters blasted the Boeing 777 out of the sky - killing all 298 people on board - after mistaking it for a Ukrainian government cargo plane.
He said the rebels only realised their mistake when they began searching the crash site for the parachutes of military crew who may have bailed out the aircraft, only to find the bodies of children.
The rebel - who worked locally as a miner before joining pro-Russian separatists - told a reporter for Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera that officers initially told him MH17 was a government plane. 'We shot down a Kiev plane, our superiors told us. We thought we were looking for baled-out Ukrainian pilots but instead we found dead civilians,' he was quoted as saying.
'All those poor people with baggage that certainly wasnt military... I was looking for a parachute and found the body of a little girl,' he added.
His sensational admission that rebel forces shot down MH17 is in stark contrast to other pro-Russian forces in the area, who remain insistent that the plane was taken down by government troops.
This morning Alexander Borodai, prime minister of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, described evidence suggesting rebels had possession of a BUK missile launcher as 'fake'.
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Don’t tell tcrlaf. He’ll say it’s Ukrainian propaganda.
I don’t know how people can excuse the new Stalin.
that’s what everyone except Kerry has been saying...a blip is a blip in the world of radar......but let’s still wait and see...
NOW the pictures' captions can be edited.
There’s no excusing Putler. Other reports say that Russia is actively shell, cannoning in their words, Ukrainian territory.
BTW, the miner is a dead man.
Then you are a mass murderer.
This is what you get when you put sophisticated weapons in the hands of para-military half-wits! It's completely irresponsible and it IS calculated MURDER.
Early on there was a picture of miners walking through the shootdown site looking for some things -- he was probably one of them.
This makes sense.
“I was looking for parachutes and found the body of a little girl.” And a few cellphones,some cash,some credit cards,plus a couple of pretty nice wrist watches.
"... so I got a new pair of Ferragamos and a VISA card."
“I dont know how people can excuse the new Stalin.”
Nor do I. At least one of the Russian thugs has a shred of decency. If the separatists had said, “We made a tragic mistake.” At the outset, they’d be in better shape. As it is, the appearance is that the thugs and their leader, Putin, don’t give a rat’s a$$ that innocent people were killed. They feel it ups their reputation.
This would have never happened if it was not for Putin. His insane grab for nothing more than a Hitler type mentality. This idiot has committed mass murder.
Do you have that short a memory, or a very selective memory, or are wearing blinders, or ???
The following will bring you and other low-information folks up to speed.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air civilian passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai that was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on 3 July 1988. The attack took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from the Vincennes.
All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died. This attack ranks seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, tenth if including the 9/11 attacks, which includes ground casualties; the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus aircraft anywhere in the world. The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.
According to the Iranian government, Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft: the airliner was making IFF squawks in Mode III (not Mode II used by Iranian military planes), a signal that identified it as a civilian craft, and operators of Vincennes mistook for Mode II.
According to the United States Government, the crew incorrectly identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14A Tomcat fighter, a plane made in the United States and operated at that time by only two forces worldwide, the United States Navy and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. The Iranian F-14's at that time had no anti-ship capability.
The US Navy had claimed that the Vincennes was defending itself in international waters at the time of the incident. Later disclosures would prove that the Vincennes had entered into Iranian waters and initiated hostilities. This was a key fact that was left out of the public inquiry led by Admiral Fogarty.
The event generated a great deal of controversy and criticism of the United States. Some analysts have blamed U.S. military commanders and the captain of Vincennes for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.
As of 1993, the United States had not apologized to Iran. In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice, including an apology in the form of "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the Loss of lives caused by the incident...". As part of the settlement, the United States did not admit legal liability but agreed to pay US$61.8 million, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.
Iran Air still uses flight number IR655 on the TehranDubai route as a memorial to the victims.
So was Dutch responsible for that shoot down and a mass murderer?
It makes no sense tome that anyone would expect a Ukrainian cargo plane to be at cruising altitude about to cross into Russian air space.
No excuse for the rebel triggerman and crew, up to top decision-maker. Arrest and death to a traitor before he commits yet another such act, before he discharges his weapon against constituted authority.
The operators were not thinking like you.
“Do you have that short a memory, or a very selective memory, or are wearing blinders, or ???
The following will bring you and other low-information folks up to speed.”
You’re certainly entitled to your own view. But, you can keep your hostility to yourself... it is out of place here.
I got clobbered for saying essentially the same thing a few days ago.
Prepare for incoming...
I don’t think very many people believe it was not a accidental act, but it was caused by something totally un-necessary and it’s the second time they have done it.
With advanced weapon systems, these things should not occur but they do for various reasons when commercial traffic fly’s over a war zone or military deployment with a weapons hot situation.
I think the real issue, or the pig in the poke, so to speak is that we are many days into this and still no admission from the Russian government who provided the weapons system and has been aware of this since day one.
I am expecting one, but it’s way too slow and may never come.
Here are the key buzzwords:
LOL! After how much Vodka?
I still haven’t heard if it was stupidity, error or Ukraine air traffic controllers that routed the plane over an active war zone.
I was addressing belligerent, low information folks that post outrageous and erroneous charges. If you can't stand the heat........................
As I remember, there were several threats against all US operating forces in the Persian Gulf at that time and that the crew of the Vincennes attempted to communicate with the Iranian flight after they had improperly identified it as a potential hostile. The radar operators had determined improperly that the plane was descending towards the Vincennes and as things ramped up, they continued to try warning after warning before they launched in what they believed to be self-defense.
Once the tragedy was upon them, everyone involved freely admitted the disastrous chain of events and accepted responsibility.
Conversely, the Russians are lying as they always have and always will. Mass murder is a Russian pastime and nothing to be apologized for as far as they are concerned. KAL007 as a case in point.
About as patriotic as Bill Ayers or Ward Churchill, aren't you..
You can say what ever you want, and you are welcome to.
YOUR abusive tone is out of place
How’s the weather over there in Moscow today???
It seemed like the obvious explanation from the start.
Don’t be ridiculous.
The US never “admitted responsibility” for the Iran Air shootdown. It expressed regret and paid compensation. Better than nothing but not the same thing.
The captain and crew of USS Vincennes were never disciplined for the incident. All received routine end-of-tour medals and commendations. But the captain never commanded a ship again and was retired less than three years later. The record (as well as testimony from the commander of another US warship) is pretty clear that the Vincennes captain was recklessly provocative and negligent. It was only the political necessity of the US’s saving face in a confrontation with Iran that handed the captain a fig leaf to shield his reputation.
The chief disconnect between the Iran air and Malaysian incidents are that Putin has used paramilitary goons (who should never have had access to such dangerous weapons) to deny any connection whatever to the events. At least Uncle Sam was able to man up to the point of saying it was our guys and we’re sorry it happened.
"....the crew of the Vincennes attempted to communicate with the Iranian flight after they had improperly identified it as a potential hostile." Just as the Russians, Ukrainians, rebels or whomever did.
"Once the tragedy was upon them, everyone involved freely admitted the disastrous chain of events and accepted responsibility." Total B.S! As of five years later, the United States had not even apologized to Iran. Eventually a weasel worded, half apology, was issued stating that we ".... recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the Loss of lives caused by the incident".
"Mass murder is a Russian pastime and nothing to be apologized for as far as they are concerned. So, it is mass murder when they do the same thing as we have done but described as an accident?
"About as patriotic as Bill Ayers or Ward Churchill, aren't you." The last refuge of a despicable scoundrel running out of substance in debate is to resort to an Ad hominem attack.
For your information and the record, I proudly served our country in combat in Vietnam. I will post my DD214 after you post yours.
Footage has revealed the dodgy efforts to maintain the crash scene by local rebels before international examiners arrived.
Vice News has released a news report outlining the complexities in maintaining the integrity of the crash site, especially when pro-Russian rebels say one thing, but do another.
The Russian leadership of the Donetsk Peoples Republic has said that theyre not touching the crash site because the international community has asked them to leave it intact for an investigation, reports Vice News correspondent Simon Ostrovsky.
But weve seen the opposite, weve seen people carrying materials away from the site, driving it away.
We dont know where it is going and its already been contaminated by a number of people who have been walking over it and removing things from it.
Its a bit hard to argue with these pictures ...
The easy conclusion these people are just animals is confirmed by the looting and treatment of the wreckage and bodies.
“Dont tell tcrlaf. Hell say its Ukrainian propaganda”
Actually, I said from the beginning that the rebels accidently shot it down.
But thanks for another ad hominem.
We can understand the mistake that the United States military made during hostilities with Iran, and minutes after being attacked, with seconds to decide, 30 years ago.
When you are you going to explain Russian invaders taking out a civilian airliner at 33,000 feet, for no reason?
You served in Vietnam in the military of a NATO nation and now you serve the enemy.
I knew an old WWII vet, he was the only true, unapologetic Stalinist that I ever met, he reveled in Stalin’s barbarity.
What an absurd and ignorant statement! It is much like an earlier post asking me about the weather in Moscow. He, she or it must have been referring to Moscow, Idaho rather than the other one.
Are you another keyboard warrior that can't handle the truth and have never seriously risked your own butt in genuine combat against the Communists?
The truth will set you free.
Like your other posts, you didn’t actually say anything.
You really don’t have any defense for your invading side shooting down this airliner from 33,000 feet for no reason.
Apparently not at a level that you can understand. "You really dont have any defense for your invading side shooting down this airliner from 33,000 feet for no reason."
My invading side? How can you possibly construe that I have a "side" in the issue? I side with the truth, wherever that might lead. Can you handle the truth?
Who did you say that to, your pet hamster.
Could you please provide a link to you saying that.
There is no doubt that you have a side, and are throwing out all kinds of nonsense and distractions in service to the enemy.
As the free world has to start dealing with the threat of a reemerging Russian empire and aggression, you are backing them with internet propaganda.
“Could you please provide a link to you saying that”
My FIRST post on the original breaking thread about MH17
Anther post from that thread:
Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border: Ifax
Thursday, July 17, 2014 11:26:25 PM · 631 of 857
tcrlaf to KOZ.
WHY ARE THE RUSSIANS SHOOTING DOWN SEVERAL AIRCRAFT
The RUSSIANS arent. The UKRAINIAN REBELS are....
THAT CERTAINLY EXCUSES SHOOTING DOWN AIRLINERS
or what other point were you trying to make?
“Who did you say that to, your pet hamster.”
I linked to what I said in the posts above. What immature insult will you come up with now?
“My invading side? How can you possibly construe that I have a “side” in the issue? I side with the truth, wherever that might lead. Can you handle the truth?”
You have to understand that we have about 10 active ID’s that will attack ANYTHING that doesn’t jive with whatever TODAY’s Current Truth is from Kiev, no matter how much it changed from Yesterday’s Current Truth.
We are supposed to utterly believe Obama on just this ONE issue, and ignore his history of lying about everything else.
If you are trying to find out what is really happening, you are a “Putinista!”, Russian FSB Plant!”, “America-hater!”, etc. They aren’t remotely interested in what is really going on, just with pimping an agenda.
They make the Radical Paulistineans from a few years ago look like pikers.
Obviously the US shot down an airliner full of dead bodies to frame the Russians, plain as day.
"What became of Drudges claim that it might have been an attempt on Putins life?"