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What If Democracy Is a Fraud?
Townhall.com ^ | July 24, 2014 | Judge Andrew Napolitano

Posted on 07/24/2014 10:52:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

What if you were allowed to vote only because it didn't make a difference? What if no matter how you voted the elites always got their way? What if the concept of one person/one vote was just a fiction created by the government to induce your compliance?

What if democracy as it has come to exist in America today is dangerous to personal freedom? What if our so-called democracy erodes the people's understanding of natural rights and the reasons for government and instead turns political campaigns into beauty contests? What if American democracy allows the government to do anything it wants, as long as more people bother to show up at the voting booth to support the government than show up to say no?

What if the purpose of contemporary democracy has been to convince people that they could prosper not through the voluntary creation of wealth but through theft from others? What if the only moral way to acquire wealth is through voluntary economic activity? What if the government persuaded the people that they could acquire wealth through political activity? What if economic activity includes all the productive and peaceful things we voluntarily do? What if political activity includes all the parasitical and destructive things the government does? What if the government has never created wealth? What if everything the government owns it has stolen?

What if governments were originally established to protect people's freedoms but always turn into political and imperialist enterprises that seek to expand their power, increase their territory and heighten their control of the population? What if the idea that we need a government to take care of us is a fiction perpetrated to increase the size of government? What if our strength as individuals and durability as a culture are contingent not on the strength of the government but on the amount of freedom we have from the government?

What if the fatal cocktail of big government and democracy ultimately produces dependency? What if so-called democratic government, once it grows to a certain size, begins to soften and weaken the people? What if big government destroys people's motivations and democracy convinces them that the only motivation they need is to vote and go along with the results?

What if Congress isn't actually as democratic as it appears? What if congressional elections don't square with congressional legislation because the polls aren't what counts, but what counts are the secret meetings that come after the voting? What if the monster Joe Stalin was right when he said the most powerful person in the world is the guy who counts the votes? What if the vote counting that really counts takes place in secret? What if that's how we lost our republic?

What if the problem with democracy is that the majority thinks it can right any wrong, write any law, tax any event, regulate any behavior and acquire any thing it wants? What if the greatest tyrant in history lives among us? What if that tyrant always gets its way, no matter what the laws are or what the Constitution says? What if that tyrant is the majority of voters? What if the majority in a democracy recognizes no limits on its power?

What if the government misinforms voters so they will justify anything the government wants to do? What if the government bribes people with the money it prints? What if it gives entitlements to the poor and tax breaks to the middle class and bailouts to the rich just to keep everyone dependent on it? What if a vibrant republic requires not just the democratic process of voting, but also informed and engaged voters who understand first principles of human existence, including the divine origin and inalienable individual possession of natural rights?

What if we could free ourselves from the yoke of big government through a return to first principles? What if the establishment doesn't want this? What if the government remains the same no matter who wins elections? What if we have only one political party -- the Big Government Party -- and it has a Democratic wing and a Republican wing? What if both wings want war and taxes and welfare and perpetual government growth, but offer only slightly different menus on how to achieve them? What if the Big Government Party enacted laws to make it impossible for meaningful political competition to thrive?

What if the late progressive Edmund S. Morgan was right when he said that government depends on make believe? What if our ancestors made believe that the king was divine? What if they made believe that he could do no wrong? What if they made believe that the voice of the king was the voice of God?

What if the government believes in make believe? What if it made believe that the people have a voice? What if it made believe that the representatives of the people are the people? What if it made believe that the governors are the servants of the people? What if it made believe that all men are created equal, or that they are not?

What if the government made believe that it is always right? What if it made believe that the majority can do no wrong? What if the tyranny of the majority is as destructive to human freedom as the tyranny of a madman? What if the government knows this?

What do we do about it?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: congress; democracy; legislation; napolitano; uniparty
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1 posted on 07/24/2014 10:52:49 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Depends on HOW BIG the goverrnment is and what restrictions are placed on the government when it is setup...

If a Democracy is setup wrong it will quickly slide into a totalitarianism regime.

If it is setup as a method of selecting leaders in a Republic it will take longer to slide...


2 posted on 07/24/2014 10:55:09 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Kaslin

Lotta what its.


3 posted on 07/24/2014 10:55:42 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: Kaslin
What if Judge Andrew Napolitano actually would make a statement if he has something to say?
4 posted on 07/24/2014 10:55:59 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Kaslin

“What do we do about it?For most people it will be get another cold one from the fridge and turn on ESPN.Some people may go hunting.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 10:57:03 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Kaslin

Here is one solution.

All laws and regulations not put in the consitution have an expiration date no greater than 24 years.

So any bill in congress will expire in 24 years or less depending on how long they were approved for and have to be voted on again.

This ensures that the crappy regulations will have to die at some point.

Maybe even settign the expiration to less than 24 years, maybe 12 years (two terms of a senator) and term limit the people in power as well...


6 posted on 07/24/2014 10:57:57 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Kaslin

What if....???

CW-II, that’s what if if what if.


7 posted on 07/24/2014 10:58:18 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: meadsjn
Questions are statements. How is it that you did not know that?

See what I did there? :)
8 posted on 07/24/2014 10:58:44 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: GraceG

Where you have a one-party setup, whether de jure or de facto, then no republic can stand. The Uniparty of the Democrats and the GOP-e mimics one-party states precisely, as does the European Union with its pretense of multi-party parliamentary “democracy”—but the EU never pretended to have separation of powers, though.


9 posted on 07/24/2014 11:00:38 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: meadsjn

[ What if Judge Andrew Napolitano actually would make a statement if he has something to say? ]

What if the Judge is asking questions as a way of making us think?


10 posted on 07/24/2014 11:01:05 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Tzfat

This article is written in the format of one of the Judge’s Segments when he had his Show on Fox Business.

It is a Rhetorical Question type segment that is actually quite clever because it asks questions they you fill in with your own mind and it leads you come to the same conclusion the questioner has already come to.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 11:04:20 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Kaslin

Democracy is wrong.

That’s why our Founding Fathers set up a limited government constitutional republic.

They knew mob rule would bankrupt the country.

And they were right.


12 posted on 07/24/2014 11:04:43 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin

We are at the end of the slide. We will either choose to lay in the sand or make the long climb back to the top. Most will choose the sand.


13 posted on 07/24/2014 11:06:36 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Olog-hai

Any discussion about how “Gridlock is bad” is basically saying that robust discussion and how disagreement is a bad thing is the New Speak of Neo-Tyrants....

If everyone in government agrees it is a bad day when they start discussing ways to take things away from the citizens because they will ALL agree to do so....

It is like how a majority of politicians think amnesty is a great thing, but the majority of the populace disagree.....

If there is no gridlock on the decision to cut the collective citizen’s throats it is soon a tyranny.


14 posted on 07/24/2014 11:08:01 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Kaslin

At the end of the day, power gets over concentrated till there is a reaction. After the reaction, the State fails as smaller units of power devour it.

Soon, those small units will band together in order to fight and consume other units till you have a State again.

This is history. The outward forms typically don’t matter.

We are on the downswing, and heading (I believe) to a “dark” age.


15 posted on 07/24/2014 11:10:19 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kaslin

+1


16 posted on 07/24/2014 11:10:24 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Starstruck
Thomas Paine is flipping in his grave!


17 posted on 07/24/2014 11:10:50 AM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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BFL


18 posted on 07/24/2014 11:14:00 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: GraceG
<>What if the Judge is asking questions as a way of making us think? <>

I wished he used the term "republic" rather than "democracy."

What if we could free ourselves from the yoke of big government through a return to First Principles?"

19 posted on 07/24/2014 11:14:51 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: GraceG

Democracies don’t work!!!

Only a Constitutional Republic works!


20 posted on 07/24/2014 11:14:58 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: meadsjn

What if you read the article again and again until you get it?


21 posted on 07/24/2014 11:14:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: GraceG

And that is exactly what he did.


22 posted on 07/24/2014 11:16:38 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: redgolum

True, which is why there is no downside to calling for an Article V state convention to propose structural amendments to our constitution.


23 posted on 07/24/2014 11:17:10 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Kaslin

We KNOW democracy is bad for personal freedom, tyranny of the majority, which is exactly why America was designed as a republic.


24 posted on 07/24/2014 11:19:18 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: Kaslin

When I was in school 70 years ago we were taught that democracy was the worst form of government!

we are, or were, Constitutional Republic and never intended to be a democracy.


25 posted on 07/24/2014 11:23:31 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Kaslin

Comrade, why do you worry?

Pass the Wodka.


26 posted on 07/24/2014 11:23:37 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Jacquerie

Of course there is a down side.

The State feels its power slipping away, an Article V convention would be used as a method to try to re-centralize the power.

If we have said convention, there will be no First, Second, or Fifth amendment. The State has been trying to dissolve those for decades (though old political theory says that free speech, armed citizens, and the State not being able to lock up whomever they want is a bad thing).

Those Conventions would be hijacked as soon as they are called, if the movement is not being manipulated right now.


27 posted on 07/24/2014 11:27:23 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kaslin
What if you read the article again and again until you get it?

I do get it. Perhaps the Judge is afraid to state his accusations directly. After all, he did lose the Fox gig for poking at the tyrants.

28 posted on 07/24/2014 11:30:41 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: redgolum
Until I spoke with my state rep early last year, I had a neutral at best opinion of the FL legislature.

I suspect my legislature is typical of the other 56, minus CA, IL, NY(?). It is a part time gig, in session for three months. Most reps are independent business people and know very well of the heavy DC hand. My rep is a nurseryman, 1,000 acres under cultivation and 150 employees. He doesn't need the added time burden required to be a rep.

I'm saying we shouldn't equate state pubbies and democrats with their pompous, tyrannical cousins in DC.

Article V is the only peaceful means we have. Let's use it.

29 posted on 07/24/2014 11:31:05 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Kaslin

BUMP


30 posted on 07/24/2014 11:32:02 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: Kaslin; KC_Lion

Sounds like a Uniparty Ping to me


31 posted on 07/24/2014 11:33:03 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Kaslin

What if I live in California?
What if I voted to bury the abomination of
“same-sex marriage.”
What if, in order to keep the people loving
sin more than God, the arbiters of what is
lawful ruled my law to be unlawful?
What if these few people used an unsound legal
technicality to overturn my law?
What if the people then started to make believe
that any two people is a marriage?
What if the social bedrock of my society was
completely eroded by this mockery?
What if my son was raised in a society in which
I was called a hater for loving goodness?
What if my son started to hate God’s guidance
too?
What if the entire future generation was
successfully transformed into a culture
that hated God’s values?
What if an entire country was brought
down by this process?


32 posted on 07/24/2014 11:34:01 AM PDT by WKTimpco
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To: redgolum; Jacquerie
There is no unacceptable risk to Article V as you suggest. The controls going in are too tight, the history is too clear, the ratification arithmetic is too overwhelming for any miscarriage that you describe.

The left does not need an Article V convention to succeed in the mischief you describe, they are doing it every day and you and I are powerless to stop them apart from an Article V convention.


33 posted on 07/24/2014 11:37:09 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Jacquerie

Ok, so an Article V convention is held. All the states meet, hold a convention, and present terms.

Who is going to draw up the final document? Who is going to sit in meetings and hammer things out?

Your rep, who has a buisnees to run? Mine, who has a large farm? It will be handed to the political “class” and we will wake up with a mess.

I live in Iowa right now. With the Hawk eye Cauci, (as Rush likes to call it) we have a supposed good chance to influence the selection of a presidential candidate.

On paper at least. In actuality, it becomes managed by the Party (GOP or Dem) and the local votes don’t really matter. Only who counts and reports the votes. Last time, it was reported that Romney won by a good margin, when Santorum had. If it wasn’t for the Ron Paul supporters, that would have never been reported.

So what did the GOP do? Change the rules so you don’t get to be present at the counting. Only the party reps can.

When you have corruption like that, there is little hope for change inside the system.

The other peaceful path is what is happening. The Fedgov is so weak, they can not proejct power anymore


34 posted on 07/24/2014 11:39:52 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Democracy is wrong.

Why do you think that democracy is wrong?

According to Merriam Webster dictionary the full definition of democracy is:

1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

2 : a political unit that has a democratic government

3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States 4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority

5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

We are a democratic Republic


Communism and dictatorships are the opposite of democracy
35 posted on 07/24/2014 11:44:51 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: dalereed
we are, or were, Constitutional Republic and never intended to be a democracy.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. All "republic" means is that we aren't ruled by a hereditary monarchy. "Constutional" means that there's an official document organizing the government. And "democracy" means "rule by the people"--which I think is a better description of what the founders intended than, say, an oligarchy, kritarchy or noocracy.

36 posted on 07/24/2014 11:45:21 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: Kaslin
What if no matter how you voted the elites always got their way?

That is the purpose of the Second Amendment. Clean house and start over.

37 posted on 07/24/2014 11:50:20 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Da Coyote

Ding-ding-ding we have a winner folks!


38 posted on 07/24/2014 11:50:45 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!.)
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To: redgolum

You have had to go out of your way this past year to not be familiar with the state amendment process.

States will send delegates with commissions. Commissions set out in precise terms what the delegate may propose and accede to. Delegates are the equivalent of agents with power of attorney to carry out certain duties and no more. The commissions of Indiana and IIRC, Florida include the caveat that if a delegate oversteps his bounds, the state declares his action null and void. In addition, these trusted men or women will face felony charges should they attempt such shenanigans.


39 posted on 07/24/2014 11:50:56 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Democracy is wrong. That’s why our Founding Fathers set up a limited government constitutional republic. They knew mob rule would bankrupt the country. And they were right.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on a dinner menu. We have a Republic, "If we can keep it".

40 posted on 07/24/2014 11:51:56 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
All "republic" means is that we aren't ruled by a hereditary monarchy.

"Republic" means more than that. It means there is a hierarchy and division of authority.

41 posted on 07/24/2014 11:51:57 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Kaslin

Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism.
The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx


42 posted on 07/24/2014 11:52:45 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Kaslin

In the beginning when the republic was first established, only property owning males were permitted to vote in federal elections. I now see the wisdom of that. Further, US Senators were selected by the state legislatures, not by popular vote. I know see the wisdom of that. Other states established poll taxes and literacy tests. I now see the wisdom of that.


43 posted on 07/24/2014 11:54:15 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Daffynition

For those who would like to read it.

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/


44 posted on 07/24/2014 11:56:39 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: nathanbedford

Within the past few years, the executive and judicial branches have established precedents that no election can reverse. Both branches have assumed Article I Section 1 powers to legislate.

Article I Section 1 created the American republic. ALL legislative powers therein granted were to reside within a congress of the people and states.

When legislative power is assumed by the unelected, despotism is established.

Everything else is irrelevant until this fundamental contradiction and offense to republican government is solved.

Fear not Article V. There is nothing to lose.


45 posted on 07/24/2014 11:57:59 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Kaslin
Judge Napolitano What If
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FLrK9NmfM4

46 posted on 07/24/2014 12:03:31 PM PDT by preacher (I am not a global warming hoax denier.)
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To: Kaslin

Rule of the majority is not always good thing.

What if the majority of the voters want to confiscate the property of a minority?

They will vote themselves higher taxes on some, collect freebies, and massively increase the size and scope of government while they’re at it. They have been doing this relentlessly since the New Deal.

Democracy=mob rule. Therefore it is not only wrong but also evil. Look how democracy has pretty much wrecked Europe.


47 posted on 07/24/2014 12:05:06 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin

BIG GOVERNMENT CANNOT SUCCEED...

Thomas Paine said...

“Absolute governments, (tho’ the disgrace of human nature) have this advantage with them, they are simple; if the people suffer, they know the head from which their suffering springs; know likewise the remedy; and are not bewildered by a variety of causes and cures. But the constitution of England is so exceedingly complex, that the nation may suffer for years together without being able to discover in which part the fault lies; some will say in one and some in another, and every political physician will advise a different medicine.”

The USA government is a behemoth next to England’s constitution.


48 posted on 07/24/2014 12:05:43 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Kaslin
Communism and dictatorships are the opposite of democracy

Wrong.. Democracy is MOB RULE by mobsters.. always in every case..
The Italian Mob was and is democratic.. with mob sub-groupings.. like States, counties(bough's) i.e. provenance's..

Headed by Capo's... Mob structure varys but is top down..
Monarchy is also Mob Rule.. by mobsters..

Amazing how some cannot SEE the obvious “Don” or demagogues..
ALL Kings(Queens) are demagogues..

The American Consitution was and is UNIQUE in all of history..
It LIMITED THE MOB... and checked the mobsters..

Little wonder ALL democrats and many republicans WANT to abrogate it..

49 posted on 07/24/2014 12:08:14 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Kaslin; Finny; Jane Long; Colonel_Flagg; RKBA Democrat; GraceG; Norm Lenhart; ...
Always be wary of "Double Speak", the "Ministry of Truth" is an often used example.

But the more "Free" the Countries name, often the less liberty it has.

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea, The German Democratic Republic, The Peoples Liberation Army et al ad nauseam

Uniparty Ping!

50 posted on 07/24/2014 12:09:36 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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