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Ohio State fires band director Jonathan Waters over ‘sexualized’ culture
Dispatch ^ | 7/24/2014 | Staff

Posted on 07/24/2014 1:55:05 PM PDT by combat_boots

Ohio State University has fired the director of its marching band and is expanding an internal investigation that uncovered a deep culture of sexual harassment among students that reportedly has existed for years.

The two-month investigation, triggered by the complaint of a parent, revealed a cascade of evidence that students routinely harassed one another –– often directed at new band members by older students –– and that director Jonathan Waters knew about it or should have known.

Waters, 38, was ousted from his post effective today, OSU President Michael V. Drake said. Details of the investigation are laid out in a 23-page report obtained by The Dispatch.

(Excerpt) Read more at dispatch.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: acrossthefield; ashamed; buckeyes; carmenohio; disgraceful; dotthei; embarrassment; hangonsloopy; hazing; humiliation; mauriceclarinet; moralabsolutes; music; ohio; sexualharassment; tbdbitl
Just in time for practice to start.
1 posted on 07/24/2014 1:55:05 PM PDT by combat_boots
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To: Admin Moderator

Hi.

This should be an excerpt, Admin. Can you fix that?


2 posted on 07/24/2014 1:56:40 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots

3 posted on 07/24/2014 1:56:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: combat_boots

“reportedly has existed for years”

Our culture is changing so rapidly. Soon we will need permission for everything, so that no one is upset over anything.

This is speech codes, thought control, being enacted.


4 posted on 07/24/2014 1:58:17 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: dfwgator

LOL!!!!!!!


5 posted on 07/24/2014 1:59:10 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: DBrow

Need permission to “sexually harrass”? What exactly did they do?


6 posted on 07/24/2014 2:00:22 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: combat_boots

One would think after what happen with the hazing at a marchign bank at one of those HBCU resulting in death people in leadership would learnt the lesson.


7 posted on 07/24/2014 2:02:06 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: GeronL

I would guess that the younger ones were teased by the older kids, not necessarily in an explicitly sexual way- could be some guy makes a comment about a girl’s appearance, some girl makes a snide comment like “So do you have hair in YOUR palms?” That’s apparently now forbidden, but that was common when I was in school, teasing and joking with people.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 2:03:29 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: dfwgator

Ding! Ding! We have a winner.


9 posted on 07/24/2014 2:03:38 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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I suppose the silver lining in all this is that no one was killed (ala the Florida A&M Marching Band)...


10 posted on 07/24/2014 2:06:26 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: DBrow

I’d wager its far more than ‘teasing’. Especially considering the gay brainwashing that goes on.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 2:06:44 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dfwgator

He's the big-headed fellow standing next to the guy with the baton.

12 posted on 07/24/2014 2:06:50 PM PDT by x
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To: DBrow

Read the article, what they did is spelled out in disgusting detail.


13 posted on 07/24/2014 2:07:03 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Ann Archy

Obviously some Michigan student had a lot of time on their hands...LOL!


14 posted on 07/24/2014 2:07:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Campion
Couldn't have been more disgusting than this.


15 posted on 07/24/2014 2:08:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Campion

Yeah this one is pretty darn graphic - http://www.dispatch.com/content/downloads/2014/07/Exhibit_B_-_Marching_Band_songbook_xgraphic_languagex.pdf

Rape, gay sex, bestiality, is just the start.


16 posted on 07/24/2014 2:11:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: combat_boots
In many colleges with big football programs, the budget for the marching band is controlled by the athletic director.

Any scandals involving the band reflect, indirectly, on the football program, and may result in fewer donations from the alumni and supporters.

17 posted on 07/24/2014 2:13:30 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Fightin in a basement)
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To: combat_boots

It still does not compare to the “hazing” at FAMU: the drum major, Robert Champion, was beaten to death, the band leader fired and the president of the university fired. Those suspected of actually killing the guy got suspended sentences.


18 posted on 07/24/2014 2:14:25 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: dfwgator
Those band guys are rough .
19 posted on 07/24/2014 2:15:03 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: DBrow

I really hope it was something that tame


20 posted on 07/24/2014 2:15:35 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

“One time at band camp.....”


21 posted on 07/24/2014 2:16:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: combat_boots

All these initiations that involve insulting, intimidating, embarrassing, humiliating, lording over, verbally abusing and even physically abusing other people should have been ended long ago. And, of course, a kid or two ends up dead from these stupid rites just about every year.

If someone has worked and learned a skill for years, why should advancing to a higher level involve being subjected to such idiocy?


22 posted on 07/24/2014 2:16:39 PM PDT by Will88
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To: RckyRaCoCo
That's good to go. I hit a judge during my Drum Corps days.

Though not quite as intentionally...

23 posted on 07/24/2014 2:18:41 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Fightin in a basement)
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To: real saxophonist

Heh...using a contra or soprano?


24 posted on 07/24/2014 2:21:21 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: RckyRaCoCo

Contra, actually.


25 posted on 07/24/2014 2:22:47 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Fightin in a basement)
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To: real saxophonist

Do any damage?...to the contra?


26 posted on 07/24/2014 2:24:02 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: driftdiver

“pretty darn graphic”

Good to see ‘Barnacle Bill the Sailor’ lives on.
I think Dr. Dirty, AKA John Valby, still gigs around campuses.


27 posted on 07/24/2014 2:25:51 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dfwgator

LOL!!.................


28 posted on 07/24/2014 2:26:14 PM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: RckyRaCoCo

It was plenty damaged already, we recognized our horns by the dents and duct tape.


29 posted on 07/24/2014 2:28:28 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Fightin in a basement)
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To: dfwgator

It’s why I LOVE Freerepublic!!!!


30 posted on 07/24/2014 2:40:51 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: GeronL; DBrow

Read the link. There were disgusting acts and demands upon the new students.


31 posted on 07/24/2014 2:41:32 PM PDT by bgill
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To: x

Ohio University Mascot is Sorry He Attacked Brutus Buckeye
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/20/ohio-university-sorry-its_n_731769.html

Ohio mascot talks about Buckeye brawl
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/100921_rufus_mascot&sportCat=ncf


32 posted on 07/24/2014 2:42:41 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots

Boo Hoo, some new band guys got hazed.

I was in the Univ of Arkansas marching band for two years. We newbies got hazed and we didn’t whine like babies about it.

And we were all sex crazed kids anyway!


33 posted on 07/24/2014 2:42:48 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: dfwgator

That should be against the law! lol


34 posted on 07/24/2014 2:43:49 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: Campion

Which was pretty much normal for college and HS when I was growing up. I had a nickname and got razzed, sometimes I didn’t like it.


35 posted on 07/24/2014 2:44:25 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Fledermaus

One time I was in a band, I got myself thrown in a river.

Today, there’d probably have to be an environmental impact statement on that.


36 posted on 07/24/2014 2:57:16 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: driftdiver

The PS in the Preface should have taken care of it... but not in our hyper-sensitive, get-offended-first culture.


37 posted on 07/24/2014 3:00:51 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: driftdiver; GeronL
Probably stretches back many decades. Dirty songs didn't begin with 1966.


38 posted on 07/24/2014 3:02:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: Teacher317

People are offended by the wrong things and not offended by the things that should offend them


39 posted on 07/24/2014 3:05:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: a fool in paradise

totally inappropriate for some places though


40 posted on 07/24/2014 3:08:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: dfwgator

Ahhhhck! My eyes!


41 posted on 07/24/2014 3:24:39 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: dfwgator

Was that the Stanford band? They are notorious for offensive gimmicks. (BTW, that’s where Waters came from. Isn’t it ironic?)


42 posted on 07/24/2014 3:44:45 PM PDT by griswold3 (I was born here in America. I will die here in a third world country. Obama succeeded.)
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To: combat_boots
Eerie that he's in Ohio and looks so much like Drew Carey, who made a pop cult out of Cleveland.

Waters, left; Carey, right.

43 posted on 07/24/2014 4:01:19 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: combat_boots

My alma mater...first Obama giving a commencement speech now our band leader. Where did you go Ohio?


44 posted on 07/24/2014 5:46:51 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: DBrow
"“reportedly has existed for years”"

Hazing, up to and including physical harm, has been part of the culture and tradition of TBDBITL since at least 1968. Surviving it was a badge of honor then, when the band was male only. If what was described in the article is true today, the band program needs to be suspended.

45 posted on 07/24/2014 6:45:47 PM PDT by buckalfa (Long time caller --- first time listener.)
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To: dfwgator

Before scrolling comments I had the band camp reference over/under at post 12. Sadly I lost. Wife gets breakfast Sat morning.

So close on time, so far away on the count...


46 posted on 07/24/2014 6:55:11 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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