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New Cold War or same one that never ended
washingtontimes.com ^ | July 24, 2014 | Christine O’Donnell

Posted on 07/24/2014 2:17:07 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The term “Cold War” is traced back to George Orwell’s 1945 essay “You and the Atomic Bomb.” Like Orwell’s other works, this essay can be called prophetic. In it, he describes what the world would look like if the atomic bomb, although costly and complicated, was accessible to all regimes. He describes countries as living in a perpetual state of “cold war” with their neighbors in a time of “peace with no peace.”

The Cold War started immediately after World War II, when former allies began to clash in ideology. In one corner, you had the WWII Western allies, represented by the United States of America. In the other corner, you had the Soviet allies, represented by the USSR. Because of its oppressive ideology, the USSR’s rise in power was seen as a threat to democracy and to our national sovereignty. Thus began the weapons race. Thus began the era of peace with no peace.

Although the Cold War is said to have ended in the ‘80s, the staring contest did not. Both sides fixed their gaze on each other as they figuratively put down their guns. Neither side really stopped the weapons race. And Russia continued (continues) to develop strategic partnerships with Soviet allies, such as Cuba and China, in ways that fortify its stance on the world stage. Over the past few decades, both sides continued to closely watch the other to see who would flinch first.

Now, as the news about the shot-down Malaysian airline unfolds, and speculation about Russia’s involvement escalates, this is what is on my mind. Will President Obama’s stare be as strong as President Kennedy’s or President Reagan’s was during critical junctures in the Cold War?

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2

1 posted on 07/24/2014 2:17:07 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Christine, you were not in the military during those times. There was never a cold war. It was always hot. Ask any veteran who served during those times.


2 posted on 07/24/2014 2:22:11 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, we all know that Putin said the collapse of the soviet scumbag empire was the worst event of the 20th Century. So his goal of reestablishing the empire is what he is about, and frankly it’s what his putinista supporters on FreeRepublic want. They want an anti-American empire to be led by Putin as a persistent enemy of democracy.


3 posted on 07/24/2014 2:28:12 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

its a new cold war
Russia = Capitalism
USA = Socialism


4 posted on 07/24/2014 2:30:03 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Remember the Cold war was over and then the Liberal Bull, Peace Dividend , BARF


5 posted on 07/24/2014 2:32:45 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: elhombrelibre

Yes, Putin and his Putinista toadies clearly hate the USA and everything it stands for.


6 posted on 07/24/2014 2:33:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

The term is Cold War, why fault any writer or historian for using it’s name, and why go after this female for not being a veteran?


7 posted on 07/24/2014 2:33:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Never ended, the “peace” dividend was a scam just like
global warming. One only has to study the history of
the Soviets to see this type of operation played out
again and again since the inception


8 posted on 07/24/2014 2:34:12 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 4rcane
The only capitalists in Russia are a few super-rich oligarch gangsters Putin allows to operate. Putin's Russia is not capitalist it is a fascist nazi regime where the Kremlin owns most of the economy and controls the rest through intimidation and threats.
9 posted on 07/24/2014 2:38:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ansel12

I don’t get that either. I’m a veteran, but I don’t think non veterans give up any right to speak on anything. It’s absurd to think that, like Liberals who say only women can discuss abortion.


10 posted on 07/24/2014 2:39:54 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

you could say the same thing for USA


11 posted on 07/24/2014 2:46:36 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: elhombrelibre; spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Who attacks females for not being warriors?


12 posted on 07/24/2014 2:47:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: 4rcane

Not exactly.

People marvel at the vast wealth of Bill Gates, but we all know how he attained those unimaginable amounts of billions of dollars over his 40 years as a computer giant.

What we don’t know is how Putin managed to amass about the same amount of wealth as the famous Microsoft entrepreneur.


13 posted on 07/24/2014 2:52:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: 4rcane
You could say that, but you would be wrong.

Has the US government nationalized the biggest oil company in the country like Putin did in Russia? The entire Russian economy is based on oil and gas and the Kremlin runs it. The US government does not control the US oil and gas industries, or any of the other major US industries either.

Obama only wishes he had as much dictatorial power as the tyrant Putin does.

14 posted on 07/24/2014 2:52:44 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ansel12

Soviet communists were known for sending women into combat.


15 posted on 07/24/2014 2:53:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ansel12

I did not attack her. I was trying to teach her. ;-)


16 posted on 07/24/2014 2:58:23 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: ansel12

The comment had to do with her not being a veteran, not that she was a woman.


17 posted on 07/24/2014 2:59:06 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“I don’t get that either. I’m a veteran, but I don’t think non veterans give up any right to speak on anything.”

I was trying to teach her, not attack her. ;-)


18 posted on 07/24/2014 3:00:48 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes, you’re right. Most of the Putinistas on Freerepublic hate Obama but ignore that he wishes he had the power that Putin has. Obama is cut from the same cloth.


19 posted on 07/24/2014 3:02:32 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre; ansel12

I simply do not like the term, “Cold War”. It was, after all, always hot.

If you did not serve during those years then perhaps you can learn something, too! ;-)


20 posted on 07/24/2014 3:03:47 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: elhombrelibre
For Putinistas, Obama is merely a good excuse for hating the USA. Remember, these Putinistas hate McCain even more than they hate Obama, because McCain is such a staunch enemy of the Kremlin. So they hate America no matter what, regardless of which party is in power. No matter how flexibly Obama bends over for the Russkies, it's never enough for them.
21 posted on 07/24/2014 3:11:48 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, during the Cold War, America certainly held the moral high ground, being the greatest civilization, the greatest achievement mankind ever hoped to aspire to. Made it our duty to confront and defeat the evil of global communism.

Now, with a country that elected twice a Marxist community-organizer as president, a corrupt socialist banana-republic of a government, no sovereignty via open-borders, and a noxious, faggotized culture that is not just putrid but morally bankrupt, America has become too decayed and too degenerate to enter into the same kind of Cold War dynamic. I don’t trust this country’s leaders, nor do I trust this country’s populace anymore. Not like I would have in the decades that followed WW2.


22 posted on 07/24/2014 3:14:10 PM PDT by greene66
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
I served twice during that period, but I didn't have to, to recognize the historical era called the Cold War.

You can apply for your Cold War Recognition Certificate, and if you are from Texas or Alaska, and served in the National Guard, then you can receive a Cold War Victory Medal

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23 posted on 07/24/2014 3:15:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: elhombrelibre

I know that, but she is a female, why should she have ever enlisted?

Who attacks females for not being warriors?


24 posted on 07/24/2014 3:17:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Because of its oppressive ideology, the USSR’s rise in power was seen as a threat to democracy and to our national sovereignty. Thus began the weapons race. Thus began the era of peace with no peace.

No that was the oppressive ideology of American communists who supplied the Soviets with nuclear secrets.

25 posted on 07/24/2014 3:24:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: ansel12

I live in Texas.

The National Guard? Please?!

I do not need a certificate or medal to know when I served or need recognition of same. ;-)

Apparently you have missed my point entirely.


26 posted on 07/24/2014 3:28:00 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Right now I have no idea what you are upset about.

You are just acting weird, there was a Cold War, look it up.

You might want to look into the history of the Texas National Guard also.


27 posted on 07/24/2014 3:38:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Who is upset?

Yes, I know that the “Cold War” was a phrase invented by a communist member of the MSM school of journalism and the rest of the communist press jumped on the bandwagon.

All I am saying is that it was not a cold war at all. It was always HOT. To use the phrase, “Cold War” is a misnomer.

You have missed my point. ;-)

Why would I want to look into the history of the Texas National Guard when I was born and raised here and had hours of history class about the state of Texas?


28 posted on 07/24/2014 5:26:51 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

I was born and raised in Texas as well, but I never heard of lessons on the state National Guard, I sure did hear about the Cold War though.

That is why the military, both federal and Texas, issues “Cold War” awards.


29 posted on 07/24/2014 5:33:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

I am not going to get into a discussion of semantics with you. It seems that you are the one who is upset. ;-)


30 posted on 07/24/2014 6:01:55 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

To: Tailgunner Joe
Christine, you were not in the military during those times. There was never a cold war. It was always hot. Ask any veteran who served during those times.
2 posted on 7/24/2014 2:22:11 PM by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
The term is Cold War, why fault any writer or historian for using it’s name, and why go after this female for not being a veteran?
7 posted on 7/24/2014 2:33:55 PM by ansel12


31 posted on 07/24/2014 6:12:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

That’s true, and it’s why I’m surprised that they’re allowed to hang around here. They’ll quote any source that’s anti-American and believe any poppycock that’s anti-American. They’re presenting a bad image of what patriotic American conservatives believe.


32 posted on 07/25/2014 12:37:10 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

I did serve then. So you’re wrong again.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 12:39:12 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“I did serve then. So you’re wrong again.”

Wrong? Do you understand the connotation when a sentence starts with the word, ‘if’? ;-)


34 posted on 07/25/2014 11:16:30 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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