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Doctor Seemingly Defies Hospitalís Policy Barring Him From Carrying a Gun Police Say .....
The Blaze ^ | Jul. 24, 2014 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 07/24/2014 6:59:15 PM PDT by BulletBobCo

DARBY, Pa. (TheBlaze/AP) — A psychiatrist who was grazed by gunfire from a patient at a suburban Philadelphia hospital Thursday helped stop the gunman by apparently using his own weapon to shoot and wound him, but not before a caseworker was killed, authorities said.

A patient opened fire after entering the doctor’s office at Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital with the caseworker, District Attorney Jack Whelan said. Witnesses reported hearing yelling before the gunshots.

A spokeswoman for Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital said the facility has a policy prohibiting anyone except on-duty law enforcement officers from carrying a weapon anywhere on its campus. It appears at the moment that the unnamed doctor decided to defy that policy in order to defend himself.

But Yeadon Police Chief Donald Molineux said that “without a doubt, I believe the doctor saved lives.”

“Without that firearm, this guy (the patient) could have went out in the hallway and just walked down the offices until he ran out of ammunition,” the chief said.

It wasn’t clear if the incident has the hospital reconsidering its policy against trained staff carrying concealed firearms.

Several hours after the shooting, investigators had only limited information about what happened inside the closed office but believe the psychiatrist, “from all accounts, would have acted in self-defense,” Whelan said.

The doctor, who suffered a wound to his head, “faced a situation where his life was in jeopardy,” Whelan said. He was expected to be interviewed by detectives late Thursday.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; gunfreezone

1 posted on 07/24/2014 6:59:15 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo

There is more details in the article.


2 posted on 07/24/2014 7:01:32 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo

Zikai-i-trysts are too crazy to be issued weapons.


3 posted on 07/24/2014 7:02:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BulletBobCo

Okay, so someone ask the doctor and his family if they’d rather he violated someone’s ‘rules’ or if they’d rather he were dead.

Sorry, my life is more important than your ‘rules.’


4 posted on 07/24/2014 7:02:28 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Paladin2

many actually are in the care of other psychiatrists. i kid you not. how they can then go on to treat others while being under care themselves is beyond me, acting like they know what’s best for others.

freud knew it was all about getting rich people to open up about all their secrets and being vulnerable.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 7:05:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BulletBobCo

According to Democrat politicians, the doctor should have allowed himself to be killed, along with as many others as the evil and insane perpetrator could nail before she ran out of ammunition.

They should all have been happy to sacrifice their lives rather than take the risk of defending themselves with a firearm.


6 posted on 07/24/2014 7:05:23 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Cognitive science has come a long way since Freud.


7 posted on 07/24/2014 7:08:25 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: carriage_hill

your neck of the woods self-defense ping


8 posted on 07/24/2014 7:08:53 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yabut, they will be the wons to determine if the gov’t will grab your gunz sooner rather than later....


9 posted on 07/24/2014 7:08:55 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
Looks like he would have been crazy not to carry one.
10 posted on 07/24/2014 7:09:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Still, I’d bet most psychiatrists know enough to use capital letters when appropriate.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 7:11:12 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: BenLurkin

He’s obviously sane as he recognizes that the folks he treats are a threat to others.


12 posted on 07/24/2014 7:11:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BulletBobCo
He could read the signs of the times:


13 posted on 07/24/2014 7:12:49 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: BulletBobCo

Bookmark for later.


14 posted on 07/24/2014 7:16:27 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Moonman62

Cognitive science has come a long way since Freud.


Sure has.

Sometimes a gun is just a gun.


15 posted on 07/24/2014 7:17:34 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: BulletBobCo
They closed the door and dialed 911. Gunshots were heard a short time later

Looks like the author of the article has heard the expression, "When a short time later counts, police are just minutes away."

16 posted on 07/24/2014 7:21:59 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Balding_Eagle

tablet typing’s faster. don’t like it, don’t respond.

but i know you do like it. :-)


17 posted on 07/24/2014 7:24:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BulletBobCo

He’ll get fired. Should have used his panic button.


18 posted on 07/24/2014 7:31:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: rdcbn

It’s not the gun that kills, its the projectile.


19 posted on 07/24/2014 7:32:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: rdcbn
Cognitive science has come a long way since Freud.

Sure has.

Sometimes a gun is just a gun.

Depends on whether its cocked. {{{RIMSHOT}}}

20 posted on 07/24/2014 7:33:32 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; Balding_Eagle

I’m with Balding_Eagle on this.

You’re posting on a forum, where you potentially have thousands of readers. Research shows that it’s easier to read text with proper capitalization, than it is to read text that ignores all the rules. What you’re saying is that your time saving (perhaps as much as a second, to do a couple of shift changes) is worth more than the time it costs hundreds, or thousands of your readers. Such unfounded arrogance!

Do what you will in private correspondence, or Tweets to your followers — but, if you’re posting on a public forum, you’re publishing. Most of us don’t know you well enough to know what an incredible wit you are — so, forgive us if we just think you’re either: (a)arrogant and inconsiderate; (b)ignorant of basic rules of grammar; (c)incredibly lazy — and if you’re a lazy typist, chances are you’re a lazy thinker; (d)trying to be hip and clever; or, (e)some combination of all of those things.


21 posted on 07/24/2014 7:46:58 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

obviously you have not read the novel AIRPORT by arthur hailey. actually a decent movie too.


22 posted on 07/24/2014 7:55:52 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Very well said.


23 posted on 07/24/2014 7:57:02 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Secret Agent Man
tablet typing’s faster. don’t like it, don’t respond.

but i know you do like it. :-)

It's giving the reader the finger.

24 posted on 07/24/2014 8:00:07 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I see USFRIENDINVICTORIA was much more diplomatic.


25 posted on 07/24/2014 8:01:50 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: BulletBobCo

Laws are laws, definitely jail time for the offender. If we let one go defending himself in a “gun free zone” then we’ll have to let everyone defend themselves.


26 posted on 07/24/2014 8:02:01 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Stupid has consequences ... in healthcare it can be a fatal consequence!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Psychiatry is really changing. Freudian psychiatry is dying out. Many psychiatrists today are quite good. I’ve known several that were top notch.

One was a biochemical psychiatrist who would often spend six months adjusting medications for a challenging patient to help problems so rare they weren’t even mentioned in the textbooks.

Another was an “objective” psychiatrist with Sherlock Holmes style deductive ability. He diagnosed physical diseases that Internists and even specialists would miss. Impressive to watch, he diagnosed one woman after asking what she normally ate for breakfast, which turned out to be a rare and toxic foreign dish that she just loved and ate regularly, which was killing her.


27 posted on 07/24/2014 8:03:08 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

You watched an ongoing diagnosis, over a six month period? By a “biochemical psychiatrist,” no less. Was he islamic, by chance of circumstance?


28 posted on 07/24/2014 8:13:12 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

Of course not. Actually he was complaining that after all that work, a patient would go on a bender, which would so scramble their brain chemistry that it would set them back months. He then went into an extended rant against alcohol.

Importantly, this was in the 1980s, in which the number of medicines available was just a fraction of the number in use today. And some were “shotgun” solutions to “BB gun” problems, but were desperately needed. So a lot of it was experiment and guess work.


29 posted on 07/24/2014 8:33:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: NormsRevenge

“He’ll get fired. Should have used his panic button.”

Maybe, but he’s still alive to seek employment elsewhere.


30 posted on 07/24/2014 8:54:53 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Brain chemistry, aside- the book of Alcoholics Anonymous was written by people, that have done more for the “benders”, than anyone in oral or written history. Apparently, a spiritual recovery is foremost- in realigning a healthy physical/mental condition.


31 posted on 07/24/2014 9:06:55 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

she was eating fugu?


32 posted on 07/25/2014 12:07:18 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

wow, what some people feel they must read into stuff.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 12:12:16 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Jack Hammer
Sorry, my life is more important than your ‘rules.’

A good example of why such idiotic policies aren't worth the toilet paper they're written on.

34 posted on 07/25/2014 12:42:12 AM PDT by sargon
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To: Secret Agent Man

but i know you do like it. :-)


35 posted on 07/25/2014 4:13:03 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
This is a real quandary. I often scream at people while I'm giving them the finger. If flipping someone off requires using no caps but shouting requires ALL caps, what am I supposed to do? I've been rendered mute.
36 posted on 07/25/2014 9:12:19 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: RedHeeler

A spiritual recovery is great, but if you have an organic imbalance in your neurochemistry, psychological and physical stuff can happen that is very dramatic. Making it worse is that it is very interactive with your hormones and immune system.


37 posted on 07/25/2014 9:13:25 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: beelzepug

But you haven’t. Instead you’ve been shown another way to give someone the written finger.


38 posted on 07/25/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Well...thanks. 8^)


39 posted on 07/25/2014 12:31:52 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

:-)


40 posted on 07/25/2014 2:10:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: RedHeeler

The problem was less the bender itself than the chaos it caused in their brain chemistry.

As an analogy, a painter has been carefully painting a detailed picture for some months, then he gets drunk and makes the painting all sloppy. When he sobers up, he may decide not to get drunk again and spiritually recover, but his painting is still fouled up and will take a long time, if ever, to fix.

His AA friends can help him with his spiritual recovery, but there is not much they can do about his painting, no matter how experienced they are.


41 posted on 07/25/2014 4:17:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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